[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[Ragian]

IB dubbed antitown scum, not just mafia, Stor

[StorrZerg]

rage, its storr plz.
i can call a duck a crow, but its still a duck.

[benga]

I just wonder hod did HS gave up so easily, he practically said lynch me.

it can be pretty demotivating to be playing a 3rd party and be outed on day 1. Specially if he is a survivor. He has an almost 0 chance of finishing the game alive if he was inputting all his focus on the game.

I somehow think with HS dead IB will be given some kind of power
it's like a trigger death

[Ragian]

rage, its storr plz.
i can call a duck a crow, but its still a duck.

I know. That was just to wind you up. It's one of my favourite passtimes.
Anyway, your argument irrelevant. IB is not calling anything by any other name. He uses scum to mean antitown. You use it differently. That doesn't change what he wrote.

[AladdinSane]

Hotshot is not 100% scum.

hotshot could easily be a SK.

What do you mean "not 100% scum", and how do you know he is not 100% scum?

Does it mean he is anti-Mafia as well as anti-Town? We don't know that - he could be 3P anti-Town, pro-Mafia. Wouldn't that qualify as 100% scum?

Or does it mean IB cannot be 100% sure that HS is scum - in which case, how do you know?

Is HS an SK? Don't know, but IB implies that Town loses if HS survives to teh end, which is suggestive of something apocalyptic. Perhaps he sets off a bomb at teh end and kills all teh surviving Townies just after they lynch and achieve their wincon? This is, of course, just speculation, but I don't think that is a bad thing in itself.

[rishaed]

Here are my thoughts on everything here:
For a game this large i would have preferred having multiple claims D1. However this IB vs. Hotshot thing has gotten so big that i don't think we have enough time for anything more.
Also: If you have not voted yet, do so now. Vote someone you feel comfortable voting. Either that or vote No Lynch.
I dislike games where the mass amount of people get modkilled for not following the rules. We may have more people who die by modkill than from actually playing the game.

[benga]

Here are my thoughts on everything here:
For a game this large i would have preferred having multiple claims D1. However this IB vs. Hotshot thing has gotten so big that i don't think we have enough time for anything more.
Also: If you have not voted yet, do so now. Vote someone you feel comfortable voting. Either that or vote No Lynch.
I dislike games where the mass amount of people get modkilled for not following the rules. We may have more people who die by modkill than from actually playing the game.

[b]Day 1 starts NOW!


You have until January 19, 07.00 CC time to reach a majority. No majority results in No Lynch, and all players who not voted at deadline will be modkilled. There will be no deviation from this rule.
With 28 alive, and the special effect, it takes 11 to lynch.

you eager to make they lynch?

[StorrZerg]

rage, its storr plz.
i can call a duck a crow, but its still a duck.

I know. That was just to wind you up. It's one of my favourite passtimes.
Anyway, your argument irrelevant. IB is not calling anything by any other name. He uses scum to mean antitown. You use it differently. That doesn't change what he wrote.

might not change what he meant, but it matters what the group sees.

[Ragian]

So, you're fearing that if hotshot doesn't flip mafia, people will go for IB even if hotshot flips SK for instance? All because some people use the term scum differently than others?

[rishaed]

Here are my thoughts on everything here:
For a game this large i would have preferred having multiple claims D1. However this IB vs. Hotshot thing has gotten so big that i don't think we have enough time for anything more.
Also: If you have not voted yet, do so now. Vote someone you feel comfortable voting. Either that or vote No Lynch.
I dislike games where the mass amount of people get modkilled for not following the rules. We may have more people who die by modkill than from actually playing the game.

[b]Day 1 starts NOW!


You have until January 19, 07.00 CC time to reach a majority. No majority results in No Lynch, and all players who not voted at deadline will be modkilled. There will be no deviation from this rule.
With 28 alive, and the special effect, it takes 11 to lynch.

you eager to make they lynch?

No... I didn't remember that deadline Vote counts are somewhat infrequent right now, and I remember rules saying days would be 7 RL days length. Honest mistake. Now that i know we've got a week more that means we have enough time to pressure someone else for a claim.

[Ragian]

Who would you pick? Apart from notorious hiders, the only thing I have seen of some interest was TWR being thin skinned.

[StorrZerg]

So, you're fearing that if hotshot doesn't flip mafia, people will go for IB even if hotshot flips SK for instance? All because some people use the term scum differently than others?

no. But it could be 2 different "pro town" factions vs each other. (happened in breaking bad mafia)

Or it could be a 3p that isn't sk. Could be a gifting role that hands out vig, could be a multitude of things in a game like this. Could be a PGO.

If hotshot flips a plain survivor, then things will be questionable about ib. I still doubt id like to lynch him though if hotshot flipped sk. Well see though.

[Metsfanmax]

You come off as very frail or perhaps paranoid.

And does that come off as alignmnent-indicative to you?

[PLAYER57832]

I vote No LynchIB is just too insistent. Maybe telling truth, but...

[degaston]

I vote No LynchIB is just too insistent. Maybe telling truth, but...

I don't see any other posts by you in the mafia section. Is this your first game?

I've only played 3, but my understanding is that it's not recommended for town to "no lynch".

[PLAYER57832]

It is my first game. I voted Hotshot, but after reading all the dialogue, unvoted. My "no lynch" vote is really just so I don't get tossed for not voting. I get that town's goal is to survive, so the longer mafia go without getting killed, the more likely it is that the town will win. (therefore not killing anyone is not a good idea as town), but I am reluctant to make a firm decision right now. A lot of people are still silent.

If Iron Butterfly is telling the truth, then Hotshot needs to die so he can win, period. That would mean we hand the game to IB today with our vote. Then again, if Hotshot is a threat to the town, then he should be lynched. That is my understanding, but who is telling the truth? The rest seems to be just sides/red herrings. Hotshot has said he will not be killing tonight, so maybe we should find another threat tonight. Also, since it seems a large number may be mod-killed, I am not sure there is the huge urgency to get rid of one right now without being sure. It looks like the numbers will be reduced anyway, if folks do not vote. If they do... then there is time for me to see and change my vote still.

Could Hotshot be something like a mafia boss, not doing any direct killing, but telling others who to do in?

[AladdinSane]

It is my first game. I voted Hotshot, but after reading all the dialogue, unvoted. My "no lynch" vote is really just so I don't get tossed for not voting.

Since you had already voted, you wouldn't get modkilled for not voting. The only ones who would get modkilled for not voting are those who haven't voted at all.

I get that town's goal is to survive, so the longer mafia go without getting killed, the more likely it is that the town will win.

HUH??? Probably you just mistyped - the longer Mafia go without being killed, the more likely it is that Town will LOSE.

If Iron Butterfly is telling the truth, then Hotshot needs to die so he can win, period. That would mean we hand the game to IB today with our vote.

Yes, but Town can win alongside IB. IB's win doesn't mean Town can't win as well.

Hotshot has said he will not be killing tonight, so maybe we should find another threat tonight.

But maybe HS is lying about this?

Also, since it seems a large number may be mod-killed, I am not sure there is the huge urgency to get rid of one right now without being sure.

The point of lynching D1 isn't to reduce numbers but to get some information. For example, if we lynch HS, we will get an idea of whether IB was telling the truth, because when someone dies, we get to see the truth about him/her. If HS flips Town, then we know IB is an evil motor funker. Also, voting patterns can be revealing. If a player consistently helps lynch Towns, other players will start to look hard in that direction.

Could Hotshot be something like a mafia boss, not doing any direct killing, but telling others who to do in?

Yes, HS could be a non-killing role that is nevertheless harmful to Town in some way.

[AladdinSane]

It is my first game. I voted Hotshot, but after reading all the dialogue, unvoted. My "no lynch" vote is really just so I don't get tossed for not voting.

Since you had already voted, you wouldn't get modkilled for not voting. The only ones who would get modkilled for not voting are those who haven't voted at all.

I get that town's goal is to survive, so the longer mafia go without getting killed, the more likely it is that the town will win.

HUH??? Probably you just mistyped - the longer Mafia go without being killed, the more likely it is that Town will LOSE.

If Iron Butterfly is telling the truth, then Hotshot needs to die so he can win, period. That would mean we hand the game to IB today with our vote.

Yes, but Town can win alongside IB. IB's win doesn't mean Town can't win as well.

Hotshot has said he will not be killing tonight, so maybe we should find another threat tonight.

But maybe HS is lying about this?

Also, since it seems a large number may be mod-killed, I am not sure there is the huge urgency to get rid of one right now without being sure.

The point of lynching D1 isn't to reduce numbers but to get some information. For example, if we lynch HS, we will get an idea of whether IB was telling the truth, because when someone dies, we get to see the truth about him/her. If HS flips Town, then we know IB is an evil motor funker. Also, voting patterns can be revealing. If a player consistently helps lynch Towns, other players will start to look hard in that direction.

Could Hotshot be something like a mafia boss, not doing any direct killing, but telling others who to do in?

Yes, HS could be a non-killing role that is nevertheless harmful to Town in some way.

[AladdinSane]

Sory bout the double-post. Internet connection issue.

[CatchersMitt14]

Important mod note:

Today the first wave of pokes will go out to those who have failed to post (or even confirm). They will have 48 hours to reply, before they are replaced. Since the replacement pool isn't the biggest, we will replace whomever we can. At the end of D1, ALL inactives who we could NOT replace will be modkilled. There will NOT be replacements after D1, though exceptions to this may happen depending on the situation.

If you are modkilled for inactivity, you forfait any and all rights to further prizes given in this game.

This was posted on 07JAN. Wil we bee notified of who was replaced by who or do we have to waite to se waht hapens after N1? It would be nice to get sum confiermation so we can start looking more closly at the soo far nonn-participants.

Here are my thoughts on everything here:
For a game this large i would have preferred having multiple claims D1. However this IB vs. Hotshot thing has gotten so big that i don't think we have enough time for anything more.
Also: If you have not voted yet, do so now. Vote someone you feel comfortable voting. Either that or vote No Lynch.
I dislike games where the mass amount of people get modkilled for not following the rules. We may have more people who die by modkill than from actually playing the game.

[b]Day 1 starts NOW!


You have until January 19, 07.00 CC time to reach a majority. No majority results in No Lynch, and all players who not voted at deadline will be modkilled. There will be no deviation from this rule.
With 28 alive, and the special effect, it takes 11 to lynch.

you eager to make they lynch?

No... I didn't remember that deadline Vote counts are somewhat infrequent right now, and I remember rules saying days would be 7 RL days length. Honest mistake. Now that i know we've got a week more that means we have enough time to pressure someone else for a claim.

In my opinion there's plenty of time left in D1 and while the IB/HS discusssion leads to sum interesting predicitons, I don't think their is much more to be gianed by disscussions today. The only progress to be made here is seing the aftermath of lynching one or niether of them.

It is my first game. I voted Hotshot, but after reading all the dialogue, unvoted. My "no lynch" vote is really just so I don't get tossed for not voting. I get that town's goal is to survive, so the longer mafia go without getting killed, the more likely it is that the town will win. (therefore not killing anyone is not a good idea as town), but I am reluctant to make a firm decision right now. A lot of people are still silent.

If Iron Butterfly is telling the truth, then Hotshot needs to die so he can win, period. That would mean we hand the game to IB today with our vote. Then again, if Hotshot is a threat to the town, then he should be lynched. That is my understanding, but who is telling the truth? The rest seems to be just sides/red herrings. Hotshot has said he will not be killing tonight, so maybe we should find another threat tonight. Also, since it seems a large number may be mod-killed, I am not sure there is the huge urgency to get rid of one right now without being sure. It looks like the numbers will be reduced anyway, if folks do not vote. If they do... then there is time for me to see and change my vote still.

Could Hotshot be something like a mafia boss, not doing any direct killing, but telling others who to do in?

AladdinSane cuvered some of my conserns with PLAYER's post. PLAYER's word choices seem suspect to me. He speeks of the town's gole to survive but isnt' owning it as his own, that rises sum flags four me.

[rizky_biznezz]

I was wondering about that too catchers...

Streaker or dakky can u let us know if anyone is being replaced please?

[DJPatrick]

Thanx Aladin...you appear to have more substance that first appraisals...good summation...given your moniker commiserations...

[Ragian]

You come off as very frail or perhaps paranoid.

And does that come off as alignmnent-indicative to you?

It raises an eyebrow which is why I posted it. Having only played with TWR once, I do not profess to know of his meta. When accused in the other game, he also defended himself. The difference here, as I see it anyway, is that he's not really accused of anything substantial. He was in the other game which warranted defence. I.e. I find his defensiveness odd. It's something I will keep in mind going forward. Do you disagree?

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Although IB's win condition really doesn't sound like a traditional town win condition from his descriptions, it does seem like hotshot probably isn't just a vanilla survivor. I mean survivor is hard enough to pull off straight a 28 player game, I doubt streaker is sadistic enough to pile it on with a Lyncher on top of that. It's pretty meta, but for balances sake I'd presume a lyncher or townie lyncher type role ought to be paired against a role with decent chances of surviving or winning, so I'm inclined to believe IB in this case, or at least am not disinclined enough to take the bait if it's possible to get rid of something nasty right off the bat.

I'll keep my vote as is for now.

[AladdinSane]

I'm ready to VOTE HOTSHOT.

1. Town should lynch on D1, and unless something radical happens, no-one else is going to get enough votes.

2. This is surprise Mafia, so we probably should expect a (perhaps nasty) surprise no matter what we do. Yes, there are risks inherent in voting HS rather than IB, but HS has conspiculously failed to far to give us a reason not to lynch him.

3. No-one else is looking particularly scummy to me at the moment. I have some minor suspicions that I have FOSed along the way, but nothing substantial enough to lynch on at this point.