[FINISHED] Board Game Mafia: Endgame - Piece of Peace

[Ragian]

According to WCG Tim , Ragian and Mandy were and are scum .I think Strike , Mets, Rag and Mandy are non-town. All 4 of them after BuJaber for no real reason,3 of them did not or unvoted Tim a confirmed scum.The fourth said he did not mind voting for a scum buddy. also Mandy and LSU have been voting and unvoting each other and now are so called buddies ( cult ? ) Rizky and HS are most likely town. So my vote will stay where it is and town follow my lead.

I love it when someone never reads the posts

First i look to see who was defending Tim and find that the most vocal of these was mets.

could mets be tim's scum buddy? had mets been a noob i would have probably looked at voting for him, but wait....would an experienced player defend a scum buddy as publicly as mets did?

So, are you so experienced that you wouldn't defend Tim?

Of course, i may be talking nonsense not having played with cults before

Has everyone lost their ability to google?

My info wasn't really helpful but i figured it would be better if it was out..

I disagree. Keep both cult (recruiting faction) and scum in the dark. Let's not give them a nice pick and choose list.

All I'm getting is that this is a PR heavy game.

If a town vig killed dakky it would have been a terrible waste of ability, therefore that's probably out. [...] Wing killing dakky is the only scenario that makes sense to me.

WingCmdr Ginkapo, Candlestick (Cult Vigilante / action miller) has been killed!

Surely, Wing didn't start out as Cult Vig. I.e. you're contradicting yourself on things that are right there for you to see.

Vote BuJaber

Now, I can be persuaded to switch to TWR. Especially after I found this little gem towards the end:

hang on not too fast, like dakky says tim could flip jester, then we all look stupid

[BuJaber]

If a town vig killed dakky it would have been a terrible waste of ability, therefore that's probably out. [...] Wing killing dakky is the only scenario that makes sense to me.

WingCmdr Ginkapo, Candlestick (Cult Vigilante / action miller) has been killed!

Surely, Wing didn't start out as Cult Vig. I.e. you're contradicting yourself on things that are right there for you to see.

Actually since this information from / :

/: could wing know about his recruitment before he sent in his action?

The recruitment went through after the night ended, so not until day; that and his death went through simultaneously.

came after my post, there's no contradiction. But no wait they can't recruit and have him kill someone in the same night, that's too overpowered, right? Guess I should have figured that out beforehand.

^ Leaving all of this so you see my entire thought process as I write this post.


I guess there's a town vig then. Awesome.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Actually that would mean there WAS a town vigilante. He is dead now listed with the cult. / pointed out that all actions went through. So either there is a SK or somehow the action miller caused him to be shot as a side effect. Vote The White Rose I have to agree with Army in that Mandy seems to make a good case there.

[the white rose]

all in all, dakky and Wing were my top two targets D1 and well...they both died. so, yay me?

thats interesting...both survived the day but both died as a result of a nightkill

[the white rose]

First i look to see who was defending Tim and find that the most vocal of these was mets.

could mets be tim's scum buddy? had mets been a noob i would have probably looked at voting for him, but wait....would an experienced player defend a scum buddy as publicly as mets did?

So, are you so experienced that you wouldn't defend Tim?

think this is my 5th game so no, i guess i am not experienced. In the games that i have played, i think on 3 occassions tim has been lynched and always flipped town. I mention this to show that he always seems to look scummy and refuses to defend himself....so this time he was scum, but i suspect he would have reacted the same had he been town

My info wasn't really helpful but i figured it would be better if it was out..

I disagree. Keep both cult (recruiting faction) and scum in the dark. Let's not give them a nice pick and choose list.

...and i disagree with your disagreement. If mafia tried to kill risky then they already know he is not scum. Without this information, town would believe that mafia killed wing and wing killed dakky, now we know a third kill was attempted it seems that we have a town vig, or at least someone else with some sort of kill power.

Now, I can be persuaded to switch to TWR. Especially after I found this little gem towards the end:

hang on not too fast, like dakky says tim could flip jester, then we all look stupid

why is that a gem? it was posted after the lynch had been reached but before the death scene and flip. It just seemed to me that tim wanted to be lynched and being jester was at the very least a possibility....and now somehow, me suggesting he may flip jester is seen as scummy?

don't think i can ever understand this game.

[Metsfanmax]

Now, I can be persuaded to switch to TWR. Especially after I found this little gem towards the end:

hang on not too fast, like dakky says tim could flip jester, then we all look stupid

I noticed that too. It's a very strange comment. But consider this: if TWR and Tim are scum buddies, then TWR would have known that Tim was going to flip scum. So what could he possibly gain by making a comment like this, especially since the lynch was already locked in?

[the white rose]

Actually Mandy's case against me is much stronger, but it feels like confirmation bias to me.

I thought he would have more on TWR actually.. For instance: hasn't anyone else noticed that he made a big show about missing the joke vote, then proceeded to joke vote twice: Tim and Dakky. Finally on page 9, as part of his reason for inactivity he claims he hates the joke phase.

I started slowly on this game for 2 main reasons.

1. I was finishing a holiday in thailand when the game started

2. I was a late replacement for Aladdin.

I realised I needed to start playing the game, but had nothing to say, so complained about missing the joke voting stage.

I received a response to go ahead and make my joke vote, so this i did.

Is this really the strength of mandy's suspicion of me?

I do not like day 1 as it is all about guesswork, successfully nailing tim was a lucky guess, welcome, but lucky too.

[Metsfanmax]

think this is my 5th game so no, i guess i am not experienced.

After your performance in Surprise Mafia, you no longer get to play the noob card.

[Ragian]

If a town vig killed dakky it would have been a terrible waste of ability, therefore that's probably out. [...] Wing killing dakky is the only scenario that makes sense to me.

WingCmdr Ginkapo, Candlestick (Cult Vigilante / action miller) has been killed!

Surely, Wing didn't start out as Cult Vig. I.e. you're contradicting yourself on things that are right there for you to see.

Actually since this information from / :

/: could wing know about his recruitment before he sent in his action?

The recruitment went through after the night ended, so not until day; that and his death went through simultaneously.

came after my post, there's no contradiction. But no wait they can't recruit and have him kill someone in the same night, that's too overpowered, right? Guess I should have figured that out beforehand.

^ Leaving all of this so you see my entire thought process as I write this post.


I guess there's a town vig then. Awesome.

Thanks for proving me right.
D1) Wing is town vig
N1) a) Wing shoots dakky/rizky b) Wing is converted and nightkilled c) Wing flips cult vig.

First i look to see who was defending Tim and find that the most vocal of these was mets.

could mets be tim's scum buddy? had mets been a noob i would have probably looked at voting for him, but wait....would an experienced player defend a scum buddy as publicly as mets did?

So, are you so experienced that you wouldn't defend Tim?

think this is my 5th game so no, i guess i am not experienced. In the games that i have played, i think on 3 occassions tim has been lynched and always flipped town. I mention this to show that he always seems to look scummy and refuses to defend himself....so this time he was scum, but i suspect he would have reacted the same had he been town

Not my point, but thanks for stating that you're not experienced. I guess that means that you would defend a scumbuddy D1, yes? (Which was my point.)

My info wasn't really helpful but i figured it would be better if it was out..

I disagree. Keep both cult (recruiting faction) and scum in the dark. Let's not give them a nice pick and choose list.

...and i disagree with your disagreement. If mafia tried to kill risky then they already know he is not scum. Without this information, town would believe that mafia killed wing and wing killed dakky, now we know a third kill was attempted it seems that we have a town vig, or at least someone else with some sort of kill power.

The point is that they know from the get-go who's not scum. Attempting to kill rizky does not give them any idea whether he's town or cult. Moreover, they wouldn't know if he was saved by doc, being BP, or a third. If he had not said anything, they would not know if they should try hitting him again. I.E. keep scum and cult in the dark.

Now, I can be persuaded to switch to TWR. Especially after I found this little gem towards the end:

hang on not too fast, like dakky says tim could flip jester, then we all look stupid

I noticed that too. It's a very strange comment. But consider this: if TWR and Tim are scum buddies, then TWR would have known that Tim was going to flip scum. So what could he possibly gain by making a comment like this, especially since the lynch was already locked in?

The reason I called it a gem is that it looks like a last ditch attempt at persuading people to unvote (whether a lynch had occured or not was undecided at best). / was not around, but we didn't know if there were mechanics ensuring that Tim didn't die straight away. I'm looking at his comment in that light.

[rizky_biznezz]

@ragian i can see what you are saying and i did debate whether or not to say anything as i was counting on another attempt tonight but i decided that seeing as scum already knew they took a shot at me then town should know what happened too...

[madmitch]

@ Ragian enjoyed your statement but was seeing something different. Was Risky actual shot at? or is it a lie ? If TWR and Tim were scum buddies why did Tim vote against TWR earlier in the game ? or was that a ploy also? And then we have Mets agreeing with so called ploy while he did not vote for his scum buddy Tim but votes for anyone that did like Hotshot, I guess he will vote for me next,

[the white rose]

Now, I can be persuaded to switch to TWR. Especially after I found this little gem towards the end:

hang on not too fast, like dakky says tim could flip jester, then we all look stupid

I noticed that too. It's a very strange comment. But consider this: if TWR and Tim are scum buddies, then TWR would have known that Tim was going to flip scum. So what could he possibly gain by making a comment like this, especially since the lynch was already locked in?

The reason I called it a gem is that it looks like a last ditch attempt at persuading people to unvote (whether a lynch had occured or not was undecided at best). / was not around, but we didn't know if there were mechanics ensuring that Tim didn't die straight away. I'm looking at his comment in that light.

lol, talk about selective reading! did you miss this post just before that one?

well i will hammer

he has no defence and no interest in playing the game, so townie or not....

vote tim (again)

as it happens he had already been hammered, but according to your logic, i first vote for tim, then make my 'gem' post

The reason I called it a gem is that it looks like a last ditch attempt at persuading people to unvote (whether a lynch had occured or not was undecided at best).

even though i had just double hammered just in case? oh please read the full page!

[BuJaber]

Thanks for proving me right.
D1) Wing is town vig
N1) a) Wing shoots dakky/rizky b) Wing is converted and nightkilled c) Wing flips cult vig.

But Wing could have only shot once. There's either a 3rd killer or rizky is lying.

TWR - Just for a second look at your first few posts from our perspective. If it was a ploy to trick us, then it actually makes MORE sense to vote for Tim and also suggest joker just to cover your true intentions. It is the exact reason why you are ABLE to defend like this right now. I am not saying you are definitely scum; we can't know that for sure, but that defense just won't fly.

Madmitch - you sticking with your vote against mets then?


We have 2 days left and no where near a majority vote.

[strike wolf]

Or and hear me out here. There was only wing and mafia killing last night. Wing shot Dakky as he had been incriminated as a possible scum buddy of Tim's and was known non-town. Mafia shot Rizky who has a kind of army veteran type role which fires back at whoever tried to kill him but because Wing's action miller side effect, it hit him instead of the mafia.

[madmitch]

@ BuJaber yes and if town is smart they would follow my lad. So Strike you are saying Rizky is a paranoid gunowner, if so he should half said so to stop mistakes like that.

[madmitch]

meant lead not lad

[strike wolf]

If I had meant PGO. I would have said PGO. An army veteran only kills the person who tries to kill them, it may have just failed this time due to the nature of Wing's Action Miller.

[BuJaber]

Or and hear me out here. There was only wing and mafia killing last night. Wing shot Dakky as he had been incriminated as a possible scum buddy of Tim's and was known non-town. Mafia shot Rizky who has a kind of army veteran type role which fires back at whoever tried to kill him but because Wing's action miller side effect, it hit him instead of the mafia.

Excellent analysis, I think you've figured it out. This scenario fits everything. So going off on that, I tried to think about who benefits the most from killing rizky.

Rizky has stayed pretty neutral throughout the game, so he wouldn't be a direct threat to scum. I think they chose him so that we wouldn't know who to suspect at this early stage. A risky play but one that could work out for them in the long run.

If you go through all of rizky's posts there is one person he never talked about, or talked to, or referenced. It is also one of the few people who were inactive, but seems to have escaped pretty much everyone's radar. Any attempts to cast the light on this character had quickly died down or backfired. It's like he's sailing around undetected while laughing at the rest of us. I have no doubt in my mind that real life has kept him busy, but it is serving as a wonderful excuse. No more. I am of course talking about LSU Tiger.

There is no real evidence to support this, which is why he's also the most dangerous scum candidate.I had nothing to go on when I voted him in day 1, but now I just have to trust my gut on this one, I can't shake it off.

UNVOTE Vote LSU

[madmitch]

@ strike ,where are you getting your info mate ? according to mafiawiki a pgo is also called a army veteran

[madmitch]

@ strike I think you are trying to confuse things like any scum would do.

[mandalorian2298]

Or and hear me out here. There was only wing and mafia killing last night. Wing shot Dakky as he had been incriminated as a possible scum buddy of Tim's and was known non-town. Mafia shot Rizky who has a kind of army veteran type role which fires back at whoever tried to kill him but because Wing's action miller side effect, it hit him instead of the mafia.

Excellent analysis, I think you've figured it out. This scenario fits everything. So going off on that, I tried to think about who benefits the most from killing rizky.

Rizky has stayed pretty neutral throughout the game, so he wouldn't be a direct threat to scum. I think they chose him so that we wouldn't know who to suspect at this early stage. A risky play but one that could work out for them in the long run.

If you go through all of rizky's posts there is one person he never talked about, or talked to, or referenced. It is also one of the few people who were inactive, but seems to have escaped pretty much everyone's radar. Any attempts to cast the light on this character had quickly died down or backfired. It's like he's sailing around undetected while laughing at the rest of us. I have no doubt in my mind that real life has kept him busy, but it is serving as a wonderful excuse. No more. I am of course talking about LSU Tiger.

There is no real evidence to support this, which is why he's also the most dangerous scum candidate.I had nothing to go on when I voted him in day 1, but now I just have to trust my gut on this one, I can't shake it off.

UNVOTE Vote LSU

The fact that I confirmed him to be a Tracker, seem kind of relevant.

@ strike I think you are trying to confuse things like any scum would do.

See what happens when you make short and simple statemnts? I believe you.

In fact, I believe you so much that I'm going to....

unvote vote Strike Wolf

It all comes back to what I'm always saying: The sum want to survive and the townies want to hunt scum.

Now don't get me wrong, Strike has been very active - in a completely non-commital way. He evenly distributed his opinions among all the player without going after anybody in particular. Sure, his summation helped me figure out that Tim' was scum, but Strike didn't join the bandwagon until the lynch was a foregone conclusion.

So here is female-dog thing about being the Cult Leader: not only do you need to worry about avoiding the supicion of the Townies, you must also be careful not to make yourself too valuable or else Mafia might decide that you are a worthy target. Bad players try to do it by submarrining. Avarage players try to talk about nothing. And Strike - he talks about everything! He makes the case why people might be scum, but takes great pains to leave room for being convinced othervise during the Day, so that they wouldn't be tempted to convince him Soprano style by Night.

I guess the only possible problem that you can run into with this style of play is that, sooner or later, you are going to run out of non-commital statements. So what are you going to do there:

Or and hear me out here. There was only wing and mafia killing last night. Wing shot Dakky as he had been incriminated as a possible scum buddy of Tim's and was known non-town. Mafia shot Rizky who has a kind of army veteran type role which fires back at whoever tried to kill him but because Wing's action miller side effect, it hit him instead of the mafia.

You go and invent the worse role in the universe. I can imagine what role PM looked like:

"Dear Wing,

I have heard nasty rumors about you and my wife, but I don't believe any of it and am in no way mad at you.

BTW, here is your role: You are Town Vigilante.

Go on, take it, it's safe.

Unless you hit the PGO

(or get blamed for the first kill by a Watcher or a Tracker or Forensic Investigator. )

(or anyone else takes a shot at PGO in which I will kill you instead )

Have fun and be active! Especially during Day 1! (never mind, you'll get it later )

P.S. (BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! )

Seriously dude, Fircoal's broken games had more winnable roles then this. ANd you know it. And, what exactly would you theory, even if it was 100% true, contribute to Day 2 scum hunt? Nothing, because it's not designed to contribute, it's designed to make you look active.

[BuJaber]

The fact that I confirmed him to be a Tracker, seem kind of relevant.

You go and invent the worse role in the universe. I can imagine what role PM looked like:

"Dear Wing,

I have heard nasty rumors about you and my wife, but I don't believe any of it and am in no way mad at you.

BTW, here is your role: You are Town Vigilante.

Go on, take it, it's safe.

Unless you hit the PGO

(or get blamed for the first kill by a Watcher or a Tracker or Forensic Investigator. )

(or anyone else takes a shot at PGO in which I will kill you instead )

Have fun and be active! Especially during Day 1! (never mind, you'll get it later )

P.S. (BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! )

Also the tracker thing slipped my mind. Maybe I'm trying too hard.. someone will eventually incriminate themselves.

I can't do the same stupid thing I did day 1. I am not unvoting so soon after voting. This time I have a strong gut feeling about LSU, it doesn't just go away without substantial evidence. Your theory is that I should just trust that both you and LSU are town. Not really enough now, is it? You could both be scum. It's like you're both suspects in a police investigation and have alibied each other. I'm sticking with my vote for now.

I will say that your case against strike could be a pretty good one. I haven't felt strongly about him either way at any point during the game. So if you get a few others to agree then I will go with unified town strategy again.

Calling AoG to the stage. We miss your input. Forget input, just your presence at least. Sausage too for that matter. Where is everyone? Y'all can't just post weekends when sunday is when day ends.

[Ragian]

@ Ragian enjoyed your statement but was seeing something different. Was Risky actual shot at? or is it a lie ? If TWR and Tim were scum buddies why did Tim vote against TWR earlier in the game ? or was that a ploy also? And then we have Mets agreeing with so called ploy while he did not vote for his scum buddy Tim but votes for anyone that did like Hotshot, I guess he will vote for me next,

To get disassociation on record. It only lasted for three seconds, though.

@TWR, I have read the full page of you limping in and then, seeing that no scene appears, trying to dissuade people.

Thanks for proving me right.
D1) Wing is town vig
N1) a) Wing shoots dakky/rizky b) Wing is converted and nightkilled c) Wing flips cult vig.

But Wing could have only shot once. There's either a 3rd killer or rizky is lying.

The "/" is meant as "or". I'm not saying that Wing had two shots.

unvote BuJaber

This is gaining no momentum. Let's see if we can get momentum on the other case. Vote The White Rose

@Mandy, your whole case on BuJaber abandoned for a case on Strike resting on the grounds that he's not submarining, not non-committal, but too invested in everything?

[rizky_biznezz]

may change once i have thought it over some more.. i don't have much to go on its all pretty explainable but at the moment:

vote bujaber

after the night he felt the need to explain in great detail what happened and why.. most others just moved on with the new day

he put me in his list of ppl who he wanted to hear more from.. my activity hadn't really been that low compared to others that didn't make the list.. so maybe he was hoping i would come forward with my info and claim so they could figure out why their kill didn't work..

Postby BuJaber on Sat Apr 16, 2016 3:17 am

strike wolf wrote:
Or and hear me out here. There was only wing and mafia killing last night. Wing shot Dakky as he had been incriminated as a possible scum buddy of Tim's and was known non-town. Mafia shot Rizky who has a kind of army veteran type role which fires back at whoever tried to kill him but because Wing's action miller side effect, it hit him instead of the mafia.


Excellent analysis, I think you've figured it out. This scenario fits everything. So going off on that, I tried to think about who benefits the most from killing rizky.

Rizky has stayed pretty neutral throughout the game, so he wouldn't be a direct threat to scum. I think they chose him so that we wouldn't know who to suspect at this early stage. A risky play but one that could work out for them in the long run.

If you go through all of rizky's posts there is one person he never talked about, or talked to, or referenced. It is also one of the few people who were inactive, but seems to have escaped pretty much everyone's radar. Any attempts to cast the light on this character had quickly died down or backfired. It's like he's sailing around undetected while laughing at the rest of us. I have no doubt in my mind that real life has kept him busy, but it is serving as a wonderful excuse. No more. I am of course talking about LSU Tiger.

There is no real evidence to support this, which is why he's also the most dangerous scum candidate.I had nothing to go on when I voted him in day 1, but now I just have to trust my gut on this one, I can't shake it off.

UNVOTE Vote LSU

there is a few ppl i haven't mentioned so don't know what this is about.. other than to try and get the possible tracker lynched so scum can save their kill to find another role.. or to split the votes more (we already had around 5 ppl) so we have more chance of a no lynch...

he feels strongly about IB and TWR but yet will quite happily vote for LSU and now said he will switch to strike..

[BuJaber]

My feelings towards those 2 haven't changed. But without support I have to think of other possibilities and see if people agree on those. If IB, TWR or LSU gain a few more votes I will vote for one of them. Possibly strike, though I don't think that case will get much support.

If I were scum I wouldn't need to analyze night to death so I don't understand your logic behind that one. You've pretty much proven yourself to be town; I'd hate to see you wasting your vote on me. I have a feeling I won't survive the night anyway.