Mass Effect 1 - Thorian (Cult) Wins!

[Thorthoth]

Saying you forgot or lost the name of ones' own character sounds incredibly suspicious. Would an experienced player do that?

FOS AIC.

What is a tracker, anyway? I'll try to look it up.

''The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed). If that player did not target anyone, the Tracker receives a result of "did not target anyone" or similar''. from MafiaWiki.

So that is such a good role that some folks will not lynch a player just on the self-reported claim of being one... hmm? Really?

[Minister Masket]

So that is such a good role that some folks will not lynch a player just on the self-reported claim of being one... hmm? Really?

So long as no-one else counter-claims that they are the 'true' tracker (it's unusual to have role doubles), then....yup.

I also still don't trust MM or Pika. MM was the latest one to jump on the weak Caff wagon without second thoughts (and with weak reasoning) and almost just as quickly unvoted him. While the unvoting makes sense it feels like trying to fall the majority too much to me. I think either of them would be a good target to go after.

I have seen plenty, plenty of times in games gone by where a player resisted revealing his role name and got votes for it, until the increased pressure usually made them give it up.
But now that I'm doing it here, it's "weak"?

FOS Fircoal

[madmitch]

Since people are starting to believe Caff then the major question is why did you jail Caff Benga ?

[benga]

Since people are starting to believe Caff then the major question is why did you jail Caff Benga ?

no particular reason

[madmitch]

[Fircoal]

I also still don't trust MM or Pika. MM was the latest one to jump on the weak Caff wagon without second thoughts (and with weak reasoning) and almost just as quickly unvoted him. While the unvoting makes sense it feels like trying to fall the majority too much to me. I think either of them would be a good target to go after.

I have seen plenty, plenty of times in games gone by where a player resisted revealing his role name and got votes for it, until the increased pressure usually made them give it up.
But now that I'm doing it here, it's "weak"?

FOS Fircoal

Really examples?

And it's the way that you go about it, it feels almost as if you apporached it with the idea of voting first and then rationale later. Not to mention it's prime bandwagon time.

[iAmCaffeine]

Saying you forgot or lost the name of ones' own character sounds incredibly suspicious. Would an experienced player do that?

FOS AIC.

What is a tracker, anyway? I'll try to look it up.

''The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed). If that player did not target anyone, the Tracker receives a result of "did not target anyone" or similar''. from MafiaWiki.

So that is such a good role that some folks will not lynch a player just on the self-reported claim of being one... hmm? Really?

I'm experienced in real time mafia, not forum. You're not assigned characters in that but instead get your roles like "cop" or "villager".

Are you trying to get yourself lynched? I currently read strike, doom and fircoal is likely town. As for a lynch I'd happily go on ragian or dakky.

[Skittles!]

I don't think it's a good idea to lynch a possible town tracker. If the Doc can protect Caff tonight, see if he gets any info for tomorrow, then we can go from there. On that note, I'm going to unvote dakky, because other than Caff no one agrees that dakky seems a bit suss right now. I honestly think one of the people not participating in the game should be lynched, we may gain more info than if we lynch someone who is chatting more. Maybe pika or skoffin, they are my candidates.

[Skittles!]

I don't think it's a good idea to lynch a possible town tracker. If the Doc can protect Caff tonight, see if he gets any info for tomorrow, then we can go from there. On that note, I'm going to unvote dakky, because other than Caff no one agrees that dakky seems a bit suss right now. I honestly think one of the people not participating in the game should be lynched, we may gain more info than if we lynch someone who is chatting more. Maybe pika or skoffin, they are my candidates.

EBWOP: bolded vote

[Ragian]

Tough weekend here. What info "may we get" if we lynch someone who is not posting?

[lord voldemort]

Tough weekend here. What info "may we get" if we lynch someone who is not posting?

their role?

the chance of hitting a scum purposely staying under the radar rather than hitting a town who is actively playing

[iAmCaffeine]

I don't think it's a good idea to lynch a possible town tracker. If the Doc can protect Caff tonight, see if he gets any info for tomorrow, then we can go from there. On that note, I'm going to unvote dakky, because other than Caff no one agrees that dakky seems a bit suss right now. I honestly think one of the people not participating in the game should be lynched, we may gain more info than if we lynch someone who is chatting more. Maybe pika or skoffin, they are my candidates.

Nah, forget the doc. Just keep jailing me instead.

Tough weekend here. What info "may we get" if we lynch someone who is not posting?

..

[benga]

unvote

[DoomYoshi]

I don't think it's a good idea to lynch a possible town tracker. If the Doc can protect Caff tonight, see if he gets any info for tomorrow, then we can go from there. On that note, I'm going to unvote dakky, because other than Caff no one agrees that dakky seems a bit suss right now. I honestly think one of the people not participating in the game should be lynched, we may gain more info than if we lynch someone who is chatting more. Maybe pika or skoffin, they are my candidates.

trying to direct doctor action in a terrible way... oh look, it just happens to be mr. scummles

Tough weekend here. What info "may we get" if we lynch someone who is not posting?

their role?

the chance of hitting a scum purposely staying under the radar rather than hitting a town who is actively playing

This and this.

The most powerful pro-town role in the game is vig. It's like a cop, but with none of the bullshit. Everyone gets to see the role after. Therefore the second most powerful pro-town role in the game is villager, although right now it's only 1/9 as powerful as a vig, it will continue to grow in strength. That's why wasting lynches is terribad. Also, considering the evidence I provided earlier (there was no kill; DDS said he was still waiting on actions) there is a chance that the scum is inactive.

You guys really suck at this Speedlynch! Go! Go! Go! thing.

[Skittles!]

How is telling the doctor to protect one of the most important roles for ONE night a bad thing, and hence scummy? Please inform me of wonderful meth head.

[HotShot53]

I was hoping we'd be able to lynch Caf based on his half claim and other scummy stuff, but since too many of you were convinced by his claim I will have to counterclaim him... in addition to his original half claim, the main reason I jumped on him after it was he's not the tracker because I am.
I am Garrus Vakarian, and I can track a player each night.
If you want more proof, I can say who I tracked and who they visited last night for them to confirm me, but I'd rather not since the info helps no-one right now, and could be useful for catching a liar later. And it could be potentially hurtful now because it will reveal someone who has a night visit action. (Based on who they visited, I'm guessing the player I tracked is more likely town than scum.)

[Skoffin]

Hey nerds.

To give a brief summary of my current thoughts on players and the game to catch up with the action.

In terms of how the night actions work (particularly in regards to the scum team) there are multiple methods the game could operate by and we can't conclusively say at this point which method is in use (such as a particular mafia member being assigned the kill action, or if the team chooses who makes the action); however I am going to make an assumption based on DDS' personality type that he likely would choose a particular order of who on a team takes the action. This game appears to have a greater level of depth; and DDS' seems like a more serious, detailed type of person. So for the moment I am operating under the assumption that a particular person is designated for making the kill action.

For the record, I'm not googling shit about characters and whatnot. I'm pretty over the sheer reliance people put into character names instead of just scumhunting like they should be, and that nonsense helps lead into shit like Lion King mafia so I'm not going to consider it in my analysis. I didn't read DDS' intro posts either, but that's mostly because I'm a dick. yolo.

As for my feel of players currently:

Benga - Captain Planet

Caff - Complete wanker. Similar to Mandy. Better not accuse me of being Scar. If scum can choose who makes the kill then it would make no sense that they would pick this dude to make the kill as his attitude is sure to attract attention. I do think that the mafia team have a designated killer though, but I don't think it's caff anyway and my suspect is explained further down. The guy has a style that is aggressive and forces people to react to him, however I do not know enough of him to determine alignment based on that alone. But I do question why he did not try to lynch someone D1 when time was running out, which is also mentioned further down. At the same time a tracker claim would be pretty ballsy.

Dakky - Agreed that going after someone about being a noob isn't cool; frankly we need to attract more new players and not discourage them. However I do agree with the point behind his attitude and don't see anything scummy about him.

Mitch - Hasn't done his standard of soft claiming/revealing something about his role PM or randomly voting all over the place. Didn't vote fircoal near deadline when he normally throws a vote at the drop of a hat. Possible scum, possibly aligned with fircoal.

fircoal - Normally I don't like to use other games as part of my evidence, but in this case I can't explain my suspicions without doing so. I am running under the theory that our missing NK occurred because the action was not sent in and that Fircoal was responsible for the mafia kill. Part of that basis does deal with another game; at the same night the night occurred for this game it was also a similar 'night' phase in the game I was hosting and fircoal did not send his action in on time for that game either, his PM to me in that game arrived after the night phase in this game had ended; based on that I am 100% confident that if fircoal had any sort of night action in this game that he would NOT have sent it in. Along with that it is very rare to see someone not lynched and especially on a day one where people would normally speed lynch to avoid a no lynch scenario, unless people are deliberately trying not to vote someone. The last vote count occurred and neither Caff nor mitch voted to avoid a no lynch, which leads me to believe that one of them is likely the scum partner of fircoal. Mitch is more suspicious for that fact that he has a history of hasty voting yet appeared very hesitant here.

Strike - no read yet, you slippery turnip

Thor - Appears very new. May just be legitimately new and trying to learn, but may also be taking advantage of it. Unsure if it's just him being scum trying to not look like a threat or if it's just newbie just asking questions for the sack of activity and not getting in trouble. Need to see more from him to tell the difference.

Ragian - Appears to be playing in a similar manner to how he plays in other games, it just so happens that he's been scum in all his games. lol. Adding to possible suspicious list.

Sam - I read him as town.

Pika - Always scum|

Masket - Posting the same way as he did in lion king. I am feeling very triggered.

Hotshot - Most of his posts have been to answer general questions about mechanics etc rather than about this game itself, which appears more like activity buffing; in his case it's more just annoying than hints that he is scum as his comments on win cons leads me to think he is town.

Skittes - is a bitch, but probably town

Chill out with the insults. Keep it friendly.

Get out of here you filthy hobbit.

[Skittles!]

Welp, with that, vote Caff.

I think Skoffin makes some good points, especially concerning Mitch, Ragian, MM. Mitch loves voting, Ragian is a good player and wouldn't usually question why you'd vote for people who aren't posting (it kind of could be seen as "Hey! All the scum are posting so lol"), and MM is playing similarly to how he played in Lion.. in which case he was godfather.

But with Hotshot's counterclaim, I think Caff is a surefire lynch now. I wasn't 100% confirmed with benga's claim and the reason why he gaoled Caff, because seeing how benga plays in other games he likes to make up info for his own gain.

[iAmCaffeine]

Lmao HotShot, f*ck off mate. If you're a legit tracker, why would you ask me to claim a name after I'd already said I was a tracker? That makes no sense. If you really had a CC to me you would've announced it there and then, not fucked about with "half claim" bullshit. I don't know the characters well at all but I did a little research. Apparently Hackett had been looking for the Cerberus or something, so I guess it makes sense that I'd be a tracker. Garrus however is described as rash and disliking of rules in general, so the role doesn't feel like it would fit. I can think of other town power roles that would be suitable however, and there doesn't seem to be any question that Garrus would be a town player (unless I've missed a key part of the lore in my 1min search).

You also wanted to see my full claim, which you have, but you're withholding information and not providing a full claim. Double standards much?

Regardless, I figure you're just town who is really keen to see me lynched. The problem is your push is going to see you lose a valuable member of the time and only you knows I don't have an actual CC, most others will likely believe you unfortunately. What makes it worse is that later, when your true (likely town) role is revealed, town will find it much harder to believe you. If it comes down to it I'll have on choice but to vote you, since I know 100% I'm town and only have a strong feeling (~75%) that you are.

I'd urge you to reconsider your current play. I'm sure if I can figure out the above then there are others who can see more.

Skoffin is bang on the money in describing me, although I keep forgetting he exists because he barely posts. I'll have to try and remind myself to look for red text.

[iAmCaffeine]

I forgot to add that Garrus' involvement in the game seems like an almost definite, so if there's no CC I would assume HotShot is town. Someone please correct me if I'm potentially wrong in terms of lore. I'm playing the game from a more standard perspective, not a thought process involving Mass Effect for the most part.

[dakky21]

I guess Hotshot asked for a full claim which involves a name because he knew that if you go for a fake claim, you can possibly hit someone who has that name as well.

[lord voldemort]

intriguing with the counter claim now...

like he has nothing to lose from that. if caff flips town as tracker, hotshot gets speed lynched tomorrow.

As far as skoffins post about fircoal mia and the chance he HAS to be the one to send in nk. My gut says that wouldnt be the case. Ive played far more games where its any scum can send. But skoffin knows and played with and played dds games before so....

[HotShot53]

Lmao HotShot, f*ck off mate. If you're a legit tracker, why would you ask me to claim a name after I'd already said I was a tracker? That makes no sense. If you really had a CC to me you would've announced it there and then, not fucked about with "half claim" bullshit. I don't know the characters well at all but I did a little research. Apparently Hackett had been looking for the Cerberus or something, so I guess it makes sense that I'd be a tracker. Garrus however is described as rash and disliking of rules in general, so the role doesn't feel like it would fit. I can think of other town power roles that would be suitable however, and there doesn't seem to be any question that Garrus would be a town player (unless I've missed a key part of the lore in my 1min search).

You also wanted to see my full claim, which you have, but you're withholding information and not providing a full claim. Double standards much?

Regardless, I figure you're just town who is really keen to see me lynched. The problem is your push is going to see you lose a valuable member of the time and only you knows I don't have an actual CC, most others will likely believe you unfortunately. What makes it worse is that later, when your true (likely town) role is revealed, town will find it much harder to believe you. If it comes down to it I'll have on choice but to vote you, since I know 100% I'm town and only have a strong feeling (~75%) that you are.

I'd urge you to reconsider your current play. I'm sure if I can figure out the above then there are others who can see more.

Skoffin is bang on the money in describing me, although I keep forgetting he exists because he barely posts. I'll have to try and remind myself to look for red text.

I didn't immediately counter claim because I was hoping you'd get lynched for the half claim, or get counter-claimed for your name without anyone revealing roles. I explained why I didn't disclose who I tracked.

[madmitch]

@ Hotshot y es please give us more info, two tracker claims need to be settled

[Skittles!]

@ Hotshot y es please give us more info, two tracker claims need to be settled

Lol cause this isn't fucking suss. FOS mitch