The Whitechapel Murderer- GAME OVER - TOWN WON

[strike wolf]

I wouldn't rule out a vig kill as we either have a vig, a Jack kill and a poisoner (technically not proven but the timing of IB's post and his previous innocent result from a character I trust due to claim make it seem very likely) or we have a serial killer, a mafia kill and a poisoner. Besides, one kill can reasonably be stopped in a night but two is a less likely event.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Okay, Nag was on Doom's wagon to get the claim. On day 2, he was on Virus, when Metsfanmax was at two votes...seemingly to offset Metfanmax getting lynched. Now his posts...

Er, nevermind, it's there lol.

Bring da pressure. I already told you who I was, but the clupes are hard to see.

Not sure what you're talking about but I am happy with you experiencing more pressure.

vote doomyoshi

We can do better than the benga lynch, his character is simply a red herring on who Jack The Ripper is, nothing more - possibly miller.

Here is his vote for Doom, while distracting off Benga.

There really isn't any case on benga other than a n00b OMGUS, which seems to happen in every game I play in. Makes me start to believe n00b OMGUS's aren't a scum tell but just a sign of a new player.

Doom and New Guy were quick to BW though... interesting.

Another distraction from Benga, and pointing to New guy and Doom.

Care to give a name with your day cop role? unvote

FOS Safari for trying to bring back the benga wagon, that wagon is finished, there is no case, if he can't prove his secret vote day three we lynch him then.

Ok, guys since the safariguy seems to have come and passed, I think we're back to square one and it is a shame that Doom couldn't investigate today.

Any other cases/thoughts?

If there is a cheeky roleblocker out there who thinks they might be able to push a lead that is always not a bad idea on a non NK day. Not trying to push anyone to claim, but I think any evidence is valuable especially now a doctor is outed, even if it is one with questionable sanity .

Rolefishing?

Not much, I know, but barring further information, I would think that Nag and benga are on a team here.

Vote Nag

[Iron Butterfly]

Another day, another lost investigation. What the heck.

Could you explain this seeming contradiction Doom?

You post acting ohhh so surprised you were blocked. Your a claimed cop so why "What the heck"

Then you say you were given opium as if it were a fact AFTER mafia flips Chinese. The only way you would be able to say you were blocked with opium is if that was what you were told in your investigation.

The point is you act so surprised you were blocked already knowing you were blocked and then hoping someone will flip Chinese AFTER someone flips Chinese.

[Iron Butterfly]

Ladies and Gentlemen

I have been informed that I have been poisoned and that unless a Doc heals me by dawn I will die.

Which day? day 4? Does that mean that the doc has a choice of healing you tonight, or letting you die and protecting me? Are you important enough to take a risk of Sherlock getting killed for?

I am not as important as Holmes.

Last night I was informed I was poisoned and that I need to convince someone to save me. Considering that Safari was killed my resources are spread rather thin. My only hope is someone else has a heal ability as I would not expect Watson to not protect Holmes. I do not have high hopes. British relsove, chin up, pip pip and cheerio lads!

[DoomYoshi]

Another day, another lost investigation. What the heck.

Could you explain this seeming contradiction Doom?

You post acting ohhh so surprised you were blocked. Your a claimed cop so why "What the heck"

Then you say you were given opium as if it were a fact AFTER mafia flips Chinese. The only way you would be able to say you were blocked with opium is if that was what you were told in your investigation.

The point is you act so surprised you were blocked already knowing you were blocked and then hoping someone will flip Chinese AFTER someone flips Chinese.

Was I acting surprised? It does suck that I have become useless that's why "what the heck".

I received a message from nark that I was given opium and couldn't use my investigation. I was hoping that the mafia might try a real claim not knowing that I knew about the opium... would it have advantaged town to know that there is an opium giver around? I didn't think so. Now that the chinese cat is out of the bag, it doesn't help to withhold the information anymore.

[HotShot53]

Ladies and Gentlemen

I have been informed that I have been poisoned and that unless a Doc heals me by dawn I will die.

Which day? day 4? Does that mean that the doc has a choice of healing you tonight, or letting you die and protecting me? Are you important enough to take a risk of Sherlock getting killed for?

1. Hotshot, who did you investigate?
2. Doom...I'm starting to doubt your abilitiies.
3. Benga, prove your ability to double vote.

That should suffice for now.

Sorry to ruin your case neb, but I was also suspicious of nagerous, and he came up town.

I also would like to see the double vote, If you can't find anyone real to vote for, you're welcome to cast the "unknown" vote on me just to show it, just don't forget to unvote it after lol.

As a bonus piece of information given because we killed Moriarty, I was told there was an opium cult. Since it was called a cult, I'm afraid your opium addiction might be permanent doom... the only question is if you are still part of town, or were fully recruited and need to be killed eventually. Did anyone else get an opium message last night? Hopefully gregwolf was the recruiter and no-one else will become addicted to opium.

[Nebuchadnezer]

unvote

[strike wolf]

So was I the only one who got a town read on Nag when I was reading back over his posts in this game?

Interesting finding though I think it's most likely that you got the message because the cult attempted to recruit you. The opium issue is relevant for this time period. I would be interested in looking into a doom case (a cult investigation can cause roles to lose their abilities which as likely as anything explains why Doom has had no ability since day 1) but I would rather look into other issues first. If the cult leader is still alive we need to find him first and if Greg was the cult leader than I would say Jack is our bigger threat.

[DoomYoshi]

I don't think it's permanent...

[virus90]

a pity you cleared nagerous so fast hotshot, it could have given viable information if you waited a bit longer. missed information on people joining the wagon, or fighting it this way in my opinion.
Also why does DY gets drugged, and IB gets poisoned, why did nobody got poisoned n1?
im not used to a poisoner, is it a every night ability, or 1 or 2 shot? and is a poisoner usually alligned with a faction or working alone?

its clear that we have a SK - jack, my guess he was not blocked n1 but just got 2 deaths promised night 2. since it was announced already we would have 2 deaths this night.
Also we have a opium cult, so i guess we asume it is a cult and people are joining, this would mean that anyone cleared day 1 / night 1 is a possible cultist by now...

DY why would maffia block you instead of sherlock, i just dont get that. sherlock is a more powerfull roll right?
also i am surprised by people dying not being some kind of cop, well we dont know that for sure but of the list of cops from the opening seen no cop died. i expected 1....

[Anarkistsdream]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Neb (1) - ?

With 10 alive, it takes SIX (6) to lynch!

I won't start the countdown until Monday, since we are getting down to a smaller group.

[strike wolf]

Alright so I'm guessing that is Benga's vote. So I am going to assume that all the investigations have been accurate:

1. Hotshot-Sherlocke Holmes: Cult probably tried to recruit him last night which is why he got the message. Immune to recruitment? could be lying but can't think of a justifiable reason he would out the cult whether the leader was alive or dead.
2. Kratos-Cleared by Hotshot
3. IB-poisoned. Cleared by Doomyoshi. Strongly believe this is the truth. Could be scum but only if investigation proof and separate from the poisoner.
4. Doomyoshi-Abberline. strong claim, likely cult recruit. Low priority target.
5. Nag-cleared by Hotshot
6. Strike Wolf-obvious townie.
7. Benga-ability seems to be proven.

Which leaves these three on my suspect list:

8. Neb-involved in the note. Mixed read. Very active which is usually a townish quality but also a couple of incidents where he seemed to be role fishing/action directing. I also did not like the idea behind his initial case on Mets (Mets reaction I still stick to being worse but Neb has caught my attention as well).
9. Virus-appears town. I disagree on the two kills thing. Flores was a mod kill, Greg and Saf had two very different types of death. The Saf one fits Jack and the other one doesn't.
10. New guy1-Honestly my reread on him felt like he wasn't saying much and I definitely put him up there with scum.

So in conclusion:

I think virus is town which on my list leaves Neb and New guy. out of the two, I am leaning towards pressuring new guy first as considering both of their activity levels, Neb provides the bigger risk but I am not sold. I also realize with Sherlock, Abberline and Benga's role (Drawing a blank on the name. Blanchard?) all claimed and 3 more seemingly cleared. We are getting close to mass claim territory (The only hesitation being Watson). I am willing to claim at any time if town feels like we should. Other than that, I will try to assemble my cases on Neb and New guy.

[safariguy5]

Damn it, go town! I'd offer to replace at some point if I'm eligible and space opens up.

[benga]

who cleared you wolfie?

and virus was the one that hammered mets...

[Nebuchadnezer]

Alright so I'm guessing that is Benga's vote. So I am going to assume that all the investigations have been accurate:

1. Hotshot-Sherlocke Holmes: Cult probably tried to recruit him last night which is why he got the message. Immune to recruitment? could be lying but can't think of a justifiable reason he would out the cult whether the leader was alive or dead.
2. Kratos-Cleared by Hotshot
3. IB-poisoned. Cleared by Doomyoshi. Strongly believe this is the truth. Could be scum but only if investigation proof and separate from the poisoner.
4. Doomyoshi-Abberline. strong claim, likely cult recruit. Low priority target.
5. Nag-cleared by Hotshot
6. Strike Wolf-obvious townie.
7. Benga-ability seems to be proven.

Which leaves these three on my suspect list:

8. Neb-involved in the note. Mixed read. Very active which is usually a townish quality but also a couple of incidents where he seemed to be role fishing/action directing. I also did not like the idea behind his initial case on Mets (Mets reaction I still stick to being worse but Neb has caught my attention as well).
9. Virus-appears town. I disagree on the two kills thing. Flores was a mod kill, Greg and Saf had two very different types of death. The Saf one fits Jack and the other one doesn't.
10. New guy1-Honestly my reread on him felt like he wasn't saying much and I definitely put him up there with scum.

So in conclusion:

I think virus is town which on my list leaves Neb and New guy. out of the two, I am leaning towards pressuring new guy first as considering both of their activity levels, Neb provides the bigger risk but I am not sold. I also realize with Sherlock, Abberline and Benga's role (Drawing a blank on the name. Blanchard?) all claimed and 3 more seemingly cleared. We are getting close to mass claim territory (The only hesitation being Watson). I am willing to claim at any time if town feels like we should. Other than that, I will try to assemble my cases on Neb and New guy.

Come on Strike, the suspense is killing me! I'm hoping you post a case on me...we will get into some interesting discussion...

But honestly, I like your list...I agree with you in green, and disagree with red. You are not cleared, nor are have you appeared pro-town. So, if you get a New guy case up here, I'll see if I agree. Otherwise, I'm more apt to vote you or benga at this point. Benga has proven he's a double voter...not that he's town.

[strike wolf]

Or maybe he missed his action.

Who on the list of players is most likely to miss an action?

Who is most likely to have been roleblocked?

I suppose neb answered that, but to be honest I didnt have a list prepared. Was throwing the thoughts I could at the time out.

Well I agree with your reasoning. It may not be helpful to play WIFOM-WIFOM guessy pants... but it's all we have for now. So go through the names and think. The problem I am having is the whole factional thing. We can't rule out a third-party Jack. Which means there may still be a "typical" mafia. Which means it may have been a mafia roleblocker blocking Jack and some other mechanism for town. To simplify the possibilities in my head, I am discounting that opinion. The simplest solution is that Jack targeted whoever saf tried to save, not because he tried to save him, but because an SK will try to go for a less obvious kill to avoid crosskills. In this assumptory universe a town roleblocker blocked a mafia kill. Since there have been no outings and I am the only one voting today (unvote, btw) I am thinking town roleblock is unlikely. Forgotten action may be the next course of action.

However, @ the hypothetical town roleblocker of dubious existence: you can play NK nights like a cop and subtley vote for whoever you blocked. However, in this vote thrifty town, such a move would probably have ousted you, so I don't blame you for laying low.

virus: what happened to your strike case?

vote nag

for being lazy and trying to trade a town PR for a minimal chance clue.

Well the roleblock part can be answered now. Neb's logic makes sense, vets would be pretty viable and slightly more likely targets I suppose. I would guess that Jack would be alone, but for there to be no NK's last night, I double we got that lucky. I see it as theres Jack who probably can kill each night, but also might attack on alternate nights, and then after tonight we will see if there is more than 1 kill to speculate on a mafia faction. In a setup like this, we either have alot of sanity issued cops (which if there are any other cops in the game, they have probably already gotten that vibe) or there will be a mafia faction with sure fire cops, maybe a screwy one, and then the rest of town. I say this because a 15 player game with only 1 scum would be way too lopsided IMO unless he has godlike powers.

@hypothetical message- I have to agree. The rb would have had to have a reason, otherwise it was just as likely that voting someone without reason would draw attention. Even if you were able to convey it somehow, I feel like it would just give you away to some people who picked up on it.

I cant vote nag because I agreed that his plan might be the best one, so thats all for now.

Mostly explanation on set up.

So overall it doesn't really feel like he's actually contributed that much to finding individual scum. He hopped on the Benga wagon day 1 and then mostly either naysays other cases or weighs in on speculation. I will give him some slack as he has said he was busy but overall, he seems to be playing very cautiously and trying to avoid attention.

Sorry neb, you'll have to wait longer for your case, I'd rather just focus on the one at a time approach. My list. I could have sworn everyone knew by now that saying obvious townie for yourself in a list was a run on joke here. As far as Benga, a double voter can be anti-town but it is town aligned much more often than it is scum aligned. If you and Newguy are proven innocent (Say Newguy is lynched town or comes up with a steel claim that can't be doubted and you are investigated by Sherlock and come back innocent) or even if it comes down to one of you was scum, we lynch Doom who was recruited by cult but it doesn't end the game, then Benga would be the top of my list but for now, I trust the double voter position.

As far as non-pro town behavior, I know we are all biased about our own but I've actually been reasonably happy with my rate of correct reads in this game (especially if you consider that Safariguy self-admitted that he was intentionally acting scummy). So I would be interested in hearing what you have to say in regards to that.

[strike wolf]

So apparently, I forgot to post the rest of my post where I went through his posts individually (This is what I get for trying to post a case when it's late and then not checking to see what actually got posted before logging off). I might still do that but the point here is. Newguy has not come out with a case of his own, his only two votes were a joke vote on the mod and an easy bandwagon vote (It is very easy to vote for a new player throwing out an OMGus), he has weighed in on other cases but mostly briefly, spending more time on vague WIFOM and set up ideas and when he does weigh in on cases, he usually comes up with a fairly neutral post where he'll ultimately nay say the argument (Mets answered all the questions, won't lynch the doctor and can't vote nag because I agree with him.) but doesn't comment much on any negatives of the other players in the game. So overall, I can understand that he was sick/busy for part of this time but his play style comes across to me as overly cautious and scummy.

Vote New Guy1

[strike wolf]

Ebwop: And I'm serious Neb, if you feel like you have a case against me, I'd rather hear it now and defend myself than just hear vague comments about how I haven't appeared very pro-town.

[virus90]

who cleared you wolfie?

and virus was the one that hammered mets...

You make it sound like a bad thing.
i still stand by that decision, what would you have done? besides. in my opinion it turned out good, the alliance of moriaty has been doubtfull ever since the beginning of the game, i think town is helped by his death.

to me strikewolfs list is accurate, dont know about strikewolf himself, but his opinions on others i have to agree for the biggest part. My biggest leads at the moment are newguy for scummarining, and benga, because the doublevote might be a maffia ability in my opinion. but bengas play so far is not very scummy in my opinion so i guess he is probably town.

i dont know what to think of strikewolf, day 1 if i remember correctly i had a case against you and DY recommended not to vote you. Why did DY do that? he already had used his daycop ability to clear you... i still dont understand how DY could have known if strike was town.. it bothers me for weeks already but so far did not want to call it out.

the whole note thing of nebs also bothers me, i just dont get it...

well anyway:
vote newguy thats the conclusion for now

[strike wolf]

DY has been reading "soft claims". While I had not really soft claimed anything at that point, I think he may have read that we were on the same side somehow due to these soft claims.

[DoomYoshi]

That is it.

I actually cleared strike on the same softclaim that I cleared virus.

[virus90]

ok what i thought but wanted to check, because it was bothering me for weeks :p

[Nebuchadnezer]

Ebwop: And I'm serious Neb, if you feel like you have a case against me, I'd rather hear it now and defend myself than just hear vague comments about how I haven't appeared very pro-town.

No case for now...I don't want to derail the newguy wagon.

Speaking of new guy, I can get on board his case. He's been sparse in his contributions, and rather noncommittal in anything. Not a great case, but my Nag case got blown up, so this is all i have to go on.

VOTE New guy1

[strike wolf]

With 10 alive that should be L-3, dropping to L-2 when Nark decides it's time. I say for the moment being if there are others who agree with the new guy case they should make their intentions known but not directly vote until he defends himself and/or we get a claim. Depending on those two factors we can decide if we believe him or not and move from there.

[HotShot53]

we're running low on suspects, and new guy's scummarizing is as suspect as anyone else. As he is already L-3 and soon L-2, I will reserve my vote until after he claims