Batman Mafia~~~GOTHAM WINS!!!!!!!!

[pancakemix]

My point is: if none of the mafia members know any of the other mafia members, then how do they agree on a kill?

They can't communicate at all, according to Talapus. The chances they all pick the same target are neglegible (sp).

Each group picks who they are going to kill..

There are two sides... Pro and Anti Gotham.

But there are multiple factions in each group... Jokers group would get to kill someone... The Riddlers, the Penguin, etc...

The Riddler might actually even fall into The Penguin's or the Joker's, seeing as he wasn't a GF.

[Koesen]

But there are multiple factions in each group... Jokers group would get to kill someone... The Riddlers, the Penguin, etc...

That probably makes sense, but there were only two night kills, and one of them of a mafia guy.

[Koesen]

Mafia groups don't have to come to a majority... One person sends in the kill... More than likely, the head of each mafia group.

So the, given that there were only two night kills, there should only be two mafia factions, right?

[nagerous]

there could be anti-gotham SKs

[Koesen]

Aren't SKs neutral? And shouldn't that lead to more kills?

Although perhaps one or more killers were rolebocked and victims may have been protected.

That would require an awful lot of lucky guessing, though, at this stage.

[Anarkistsdream]

With doctors, roleblockers, bullet proofs, and more, the fact that only two people died is not that unusual.

[pancakemix]

Aren't SKs neutral? And shouldn't that lead to more kills?

Although perhaps one or more killers were rolebocked and victims may have been protected.

That would require an awful lot of lucky guessing, though, at this stage.

Ir's just as possible as lynching scum Day 1, though.

SK
Definition: A neutral party with killing powers.
Objective: Become the sole survivor.
Classification: SCUM

Sorry, I do that. I can define most roles off the top of my head like that, and when required, I will do so.

[nagerous]

well for the purpose of the game it could be a SK with an anti-gotham alignment but has no idea who other anti-gotham players are as it fits in with the everyone in the dark quote.

[jnd94]

I still think that Serbia is acting suspicous, not only of the post that I pointed out, but he seems like he isnt talking as much as he usally would. I would FOS him, but I already did, so Vote Serbia

[kwanton]

Wheee! I actually talked about multiple factions in my first post. Nice to see u guys are catching up. I still think that there may be no real "mafia" group and just a bunch of individual anti-gothams who don't know each other are scum but have the same win condition.

I also still have my suspicions about CMK. Day 1 role claim and the hider's value can easily be undermined. If cmk states that he is hiding with someone, then the scum could easily make a town look like scum. Roleblockers, SK, and any of the other various roles could make CMK's hider ability backfire. Then again there is also the possibility that CMK is scum or lying (as stated by others earlier).

[pancakemix]

Wheee! I actually talked about multiple factions in my first post. Nice to see u guys are catching up. I still think that there may be no real "mafia" group and just a bunch of individual anti-gothams who don't know each other are scum but have the same win condition.

There has to be at least one organized group, given the scum blocker.

I also still have my suspicions about CMK. Day 1 role claim and the hider's value can easily be undermined. If cmk states that he is hiding with someone, then the scum could easily make a town look like scum. Roleblockers, SK, and any of the other various roles could make CMK's hider ability backfire. Then again there is also the possibility that CMK is scum or lying (as stated by others earlier).

All of that is possible. I'd like to hear from him first, though.

[kwanton]

Wheee! I actually talked about multiple factions in my first post. Nice to see u guys are catching up. I still think that there may be no real "mafia" group and just a bunch of individual anti-gothams who don't know each other are scum but have the same win condition.

There has to be at least one organized group, given the scum blocker.

Not neccesarily. If there is an individual blocker, Mr. mod could very well leave it up to him to figure out who to block on his own. I see no reason why this couldn't be the case. Roleblocker figures out a town power role and blocks, helping scum unbeknownst to everyone else. The roleblocker doesn't need to be involved directly with others to be helpful.

[pancakemix]

Wheee! I actually talked about multiple factions in my first post. Nice to see u guys are catching up. I still think that there may be no real "mafia" group and just a bunch of individual anti-gothams who don't know each other are scum but have the same win condition.

There has to be at least one organized group, given the scum blocker.

Not neccesarily. If there is an individual blocker, Mr. mod could very well leave it up to him to figure out who to block on his own. I see no reason why this couldn't be the case. Roleblocker figures out a town power role and blocks, helping scum unbeknownst to everyone else. The roleblocker doesn't need to be involved directly with others to be helpful.

Hmm... perhaps. Hadn't thought of that. There is one part of Talapus' post that stands out to me. The picture with the 5 people standing around seems to indicate an organized group of some sort.

[derfderf34]

vote koeson for making fun of canada in his avvy

[kwanton]

O that's right. Thanks for reminding me pancake. I wanted to say the "penguinish" guy on the left is the puppet guy. Forgot his name tho. But the guy with glasses is holding a puppet with a tommy gun.

[kalishnikov]

My point is: if none of the mafia members know any of the other mafia members, then how do they agree on a kill?

They can't communicate at all, according to Talapus. The chances they all pick the same target are neglegible (sp).

As Anarkistdream pointed out, just because they are anti-gotham doesn't mean that they are on the same side. If there are multiple mafias (which my guess is yes), there win condition would be that their specific mafia family (Riddler's guys, or Penguin's guys) would be the last ones standing, not just all anti-gotham left.

[kalishnikov]

The kills last night were completely random, it was a pretty useless day 1 as far as gathering info goes. The fact that they were both power roles only means that there are an abundance of roles with good abilities in this game. We can't read much from them for that reason. It's just as likely that the scum killed a different faction member as a vig or an SK got him.

The Commish dying was just a really lucky guess by someone, or a bad screw up by someone else. A person I won't name (because he's in this game) was a Vig and killed our doc and cop in the last game we played together, so it's a possibility.

[Koesen]

vote koeson for making fun of canada in his avvy

I am a Dutchman married to a Canadian. That's what my avatar means.

Other than that, you will forgive me if I don't worry too much about your vote

Given Talapus' post, I still lean to the belief that the mafia guys don't know each other. Which would be good news for the town.

I am not convinced by the doc/roleblocker explanation. The chances the doc would pick the same guy as, say, the SK, are too small.

I'll withdraw my words if there are seven kills in night two, though

[kwanton]

The Commish dying was just a really lucky guess by someone, or a bad screw up by someone else. A person I won't name (because he's in this game) was a Vig and killed our doc and cop in the last game we played together, so it's a possibility.

Heh. Erm.....well it sounds like that person(who shall rename nameless) planned that from the begining cause he knew the cult would recruit him and the kills would lead to a win.....heh heh.....erm....real ingenious plan by whoever your talking about....

[Koesen]

The kills last night were completely random, it was a pretty useless day 1 as far as gathering info goes. The fact that they were both power roles only means that there are an abundance of roles with good abilities in this game. We can't read much from them for that reason. It's just as likely that the scum killed a different faction member as a vig or an SK got him.

The Commish dying was just a really lucky guess by someone, or a bad screw up by someone else. A person I won't name (because he's in this game) was a Vig and killed our doc and cop in the last game we played together, so it's a possibility.

What he said.

[I GOT SERVED]

We really can't guess who killed who last night. If I counted correctly, then there could have been as many as 4 kills last night (2 mafias, SK and vig). So trying to guess what role killed who is pretty much gonna be worthless, as well as who decided not to send in kills.

[kalishnikov]

The Commish dying was just a really lucky guess by someone, or a bad screw up by someone else. A person I won't name (because he's in this game) was a Vig and killed our doc and cop in the last game we played together, so it's a possibility.

Heh. Erm.....well it sounds like that person(who shall rename nameless) planned that from the begining cause he knew the cult would recruit him and the kills would lead to a win.....heh heh.....erm....real ingenious plan by whoever your talking about....

lol, yea that nameless person sure is a master of strategy, knowing that the cult would recruit him so killing off all the pro-town power roles before he was picked up was an excellent move. (your so lucky you got recruited, lol)

[mandalorian2298]

Excellent story, Talapus!

Here's a theory: could it be that Gimpy was killed by a serial killer, instead of a vigilante? If I were a vigilante, I would not have made a night kill, since I'm really not sure who is who.

Or perhaps the mafia got two kills, and got the wrong one on one occasion. I really don't see how anybody could identify targets with certainty at this point.

Are there clues in the pictures? Who are those people that were gathered outside? Is that little fat guy the Penguin (very vague Danny DeVito resemblance).

And who did cmckinney hide with?

vote Kroesen for Freudian reasons, namely his 'murky' recognizing of the Pinguin. It looks to me like an unnecessary attempt to distance himself from the Pinguin role.

[kalishnikov]

Excellent story, Talapus!

Here's a theory: could it be that Gimpy was killed by a serial killer, instead of a vigilante? If I were a vigilante, I would not have made a night kill, since I'm really not sure who is who.

Or perhaps the mafia got two kills, and got the wrong one on one occasion. I really don't see how anybody could identify targets with certainty at this point.

Are there clues in the pictures? Who are those people that were gathered outside? Is that little fat guy the Penguin (very vague Danny DeVito resemblance).

And who did cmckinney hide with?

vote Kroesen for Freudian reasons, namely his 'murky' recognizing of the Pinguin. It looks to me like an unnecessary attempt to distance himself from the Pinguin role.

Interesting thought Mandalorian. Perhaps something that should be explored more.

[derfderf34]

yay once again the fool role does not stop me!