[OFFICIAL] Stack the Deck mafia (4/12)Endgame: MAFIA WIN

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Look who started to help all of a sudden. You could have voted Wing yesterday but decided to hide behind IB. And now you call Rizky scum? Are you even reading? Why would Rizky have worked so hard to get Wing killed if they are scumpartners?

You said yesterday that my partner is most likely Mitch. I see little difference. How can Mitch be my scumpartner but Rizky cannot?

[bosaardbeitje]

Oh yes of course. Rizky would find all this evidence to get you killed and then nightkill the most important person linked to this evidence

[dakky21]

Look who started to help all of a sudden. You could have voted Wing yesterday but decided to hide behind IB. And now you call Rizky scum? Are you even reading? Why would Rizky have worked so hard to get Wing killed if they are scumpartners?

As Wing said... and I don't see Rizky's vote on wing.... anywhere.

[bosaardbeitje]

Yesterday that vote was there TWICE but Wing kept talking Rizky out of it. Your vote wasn't there and today you are all of a sudden convinced enough to put the virst vote on him?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Thats because you have failed to read the game DAkky.

See P13

viewtopic.php?f=213&t=215356&start=300#p4751041

[Marashu]

Mars. Thats a moot question with a vig on our side. The more Mitch posts the scummier he is, but i have been pushing Boss since the start of D2and believe I am right, i want to finish it off.

Not really a moot question - I was looking for a thought process more than anything.

IB your thoughts here?
Who are the 2 remaining scum?

Do you remember EoTW mafia? Do you know why I let you live with the capability to kill me in the night? It was because you were easy to read and I knew that you were going to shoot town for me. IB needs to be very careful how much and what he tells mafia. He is confirmed town so doesnt need to give reads so we can ascertain his alignment. I'd appreciate help with lynching scum, but I wouldnt demand it.

Just be careful how much you ask for from IB. I'd like him to remain open with his reads and not get bogged down with day lynches.

Mars. Thats a moot question with a vig on our side. The more Mitch posts the scummier he is, but i have been pushing Boss since the start of D2and believe I am right, i want to finish it off.

I do not believe bos is scum.

I will have to switch to mitch then.

Who are your pair then?

Why did you change your mind here?

Here's my problem - Wing has been pretty scummy, but I cannot think of a single logical pairing for him. Wing/Bosaa doesn't make sense because of how hard they're trying to lynch each other. If it's an act, then it has me fooled. Wing/mitch might make sense if Wing was unrecruited, because he still hasn't changed his vote despite saying he would do so, but I'm not sure that Wing would be trying to bus mitch. Wing/dakky only makes sense if Wing is unrecruited, and I'm convinced that Dakky is not a solo mafia. Wing/rizky is the only pairing that kind of makes sense to me, if Wing is unrecruited, and only because of rizky getting talked out of his vote on Wing, but that's a pretty weak case, and I'm not entirely convinced by dakky's case on the Wing/rizky pair (largely because dakky decided to do quite the editing job).

Lets also remember we can mislynch, and lose someone to nite and come back with 5 people so long as we lynch scum tomorrow.

This only works if you're not shooting tonight. We're at 7. Mislynch would be at 6 with 2 mafia. Unless something stops a mafia kill tonight, that would bring us to 5 with 2 mafia. If you shoot, then we'd be at 4 - great if you hit mafia, but game over if you hit town.

With that said, if town does think that mitch is scummy, I think it's safer to risk lynching him now over needing to decide at lylo (or worse, having him rush a vote at lylo if we misread him). I don't like how he's pretty much spent D3 gloating to wing instead of answering questions, and that's on top of his already questionable plays and apparently deliberately misunderstanding the setup. If he is mafia, then IB can safely make a shot. If he's town, well, we'd just have to have faith in IB, on whether or not he wants to make a shot.

Vote madmitch

[bosaardbeitje]

Why do you think that Dakky is not a solo mafia? He has been hiding most of this game. It could be that he didn't expect anything to come from the TWR lynch when it started and when I called him out D1, he had no other option than to stick with it. Or he was relying on the fakeclaim. Yesterday he was reluctant to vote Wing, because he couldn't lose another partner that quickly and now all of a sudden he changes his mind and says that Rizky is even more scummy than Wing. That doesn't make sense to me. And I haven't ruled Wing and you out either.

[Iron Butterfly]

Look who started to help all of a sudden. You could have voted Wing yesterday but decided to hide behind IB. And now you call Rizky scum? Are you even reading? Why would Rizky have worked so hard to get Wing killed if they are scumpartners?

As Wing said... and I don't see Rizky's vote on wing.... anywhere.

I really want to kill you Dakky.

It's almost like you are goading him to hammer

[Iron Butterfly]

Be advised anyone who hammers without permission will be considered scum as far as I am concerned.

[dakky21]

I really want to kill you Dakky.

It's almost like you are goading him to hammer

Be advised anyone who hammers without permission will be considered scum as far as I am concerned.

WTF, you are warning scum that you will shoot the hammer, but at the same time you want to kill me?
You're town, that's ok, but make up your mind mate.

BTW, I can't wait to get killed by you

[dakky21]

Why do you think that Dakky is not a solo mafia? He has been hiding most of this game. It could be that he didn't expect anything to come from the TWR lynch when it started and when I called him out D1, he had no other option than to stick with it. Or he was relying on the fakeclaim. Yesterday he was reluctant to vote Wing, because he couldn't lose another partner that quickly and now all of a sudden he changes his mind and says that Rizky is even more scummy than Wing. That doesn't make sense to me. And I haven't ruled Wing and you out either.

Notice the COULD word. Yeah, all you say COULD be true, but it can also be false. Think twice. Scum WILL try to catch on this and frame me and then GG town.

[Iron Butterfly]

I really want to kill you Dakky.

It's almost like you are goading him to hammer

Be advised anyone who hammers without permission will be considered scum as far as I am concerned.

WTF, you are warning scum that you will shoot the hammer, but at the same time you want to kill me?
You're town, that's ok, but make up your mind mate.

BTW, I can't wait to get killed by you

No.

Just a friendly reminder.Why do you think no one has hammered? We have several days.The first day it was fairly obvious we had scum. Today not so much.

I think Rizky and Bos are Town. Mafia is between the remaining 4.

[rizky_biznezz]

@dakky u make a fairly strange case on me but when I ask u a few questions u reply with dont push me over the edge.. What is that supposed to mean?
I did vote wing so not sure why u would mention that and if u are pushing me to hammer now to prove he isn't my partner well I won't be doing that either when we still have so much time

[rizky_biznezz]

So is dakky implying he is bulletproof and that's why he can't wait to be killed by IB or am I reading that wrong?

[Marashu]

Why do you think that Dakky is not a solo mafia? He has been hiding most of this game. It could be that he didn't expect anything to come from the TWR lynch when it started and when I called him out D1, he had no other option than to stick with it. Or he was relying on the fakeclaim. Yesterday he was reluctant to vote Wing, because he couldn't lose another partner that quickly and now all of a sudden he changes his mind and says that Rizky is even more scummy than Wing. That doesn't make sense to me. And I haven't ruled Wing and you out either.

Oh, I don't disagree that his play is not making much sense. He could very easily be mafia, but if he is, then either the mafia recruited its traitor, or he is the unrecruited traitor (in which case he knows his partner). My argument is not that he isn't mafia, it's that he's not a lone goon (or mafia PR) with an unrecruited partner he has no knowledge of.

I really want to kill you Dakky.

It's almost like you are goading him to hammer

Be advised anyone who hammers without permission will be considered scum as far as I am concerned.

WTF, you are warning scum that you will shoot the hammer, but at the same time you want to kill me?
You're town, that's ok, but make up your mind mate.

BTW, I can't wait to get killed by you

He's made it clear he will shoot scum. He's not saying he'll shoot the hammer, he's saying he'll consider the hammer scum. If he's wanting to kill you, that means he's also reading you as scum.

I've said before that I think a dakky/mitch pair would be hilarious, but I'm starting to wonder if it's real. Both are acting strangely, but neither one is jumping on the other for it. dakky votes for mitch when there's no real pressure or case (joke voting at the beginning of D1, and dakky votes for mitch at the beginning of D2 before following IB).

So is dakky implying he is bulletproof and that's why he can't wait to be killed by IB or am I reading that wrong?

Maybe? I have no idea what dakky is doing. But it does make sense if he's partnered with mitch, whom IB already said he might shoot - draw the shot to the BP to save his partner. He could also be the unrecruited traitor, who is one-shot bulletproof.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

IB - Can Dakky be mafia with his D1 play? I agree he is begging to be killed, but I cant look past his D1 play and put all the rest to being a terrible player.

BTW, I can't wait to get killed by you

What is this Dakky? You are asking the confirmed town player to kill you. How does that help town?

[madmitch]

@ wcg from day 1 I found you suspiccious from your A of spades remark to later on confirming that you might have something up your sleeve, you could have been joking than maybe not. And why did you claim that you are a vanilla townie ? don't you tell people not to claim early for no good reason and you did claim early or am I wrong again ?
@ Rizky you made a great post against wing on page 15 ,do you still feel that way? and @ Dakky I did not particular like your remark that you thought it was cool that I.B. shot another townie ,any one else think that was scummy? and finally @ Mars what gives you the bright ideal that I am scummy? maybe you trying to get every one of Wings case like a good partner would do.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@ wcg from day 1 I found you suspiccious from your A of spades remark to later on confirming that you might have something up your sleeve, you could have been joking than maybe not.

Then why D1 was your only response to my comment to sing Motorhead? Is it not more likely that you are pissed of that I inadvertantly hinted at being the traitor but turned out not to be?

And why did you claim that you are a vanilla townie ? don't you tell people not to claim early for no good reason and you did claim early or am I wrong again ?

You are wrong again. I claimed at my second time of being at L-3 when it was clear I could actually be lynched.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

My theory about there being no mafia power roles in the game.

A bodyguard would have saved PTLowe N1. So we must not have a bodyguard.

A cop would surely have claimed by now as I would have thought that they must have at least 1 check on someone still alive, even with double kills every night. (If I am wrong dont claim)

A roleblocker wouldnt claim, and in fairness may not have hit the correct target yet.

Clearly no innocent child or another vig. And no one else joined in the tracker claiming D1.

This leads me to believe that I was correct and mafia did not take any power roles, so we are looking for a goon and an unrecruited traitor. D1 White Rose bandwagoned onto my vote on Mars, I wonder if he thought I was the traitor for my Ace of Spades comment. I dont remember any other odd interactions D1, but may have missed something.

[rizky_biznezz]

@mitch dakky is slightly ahead of wing at the moment in scumminess for me... U found dakky to be scummy early but u didn't stick with it what changed ur mind? His hiding behind IB so he had a defence when a townie was killed plus his recent posts don't sit right with me plus if he doesn't have a good excuse for his comment to IB then it looks like he is saying he is bulletproof therefore scum but I'm still waiting for others to let me know about that one

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

The actual unrecruited traitor would be bulletproof.

[madmitch]

@ Rizky I HATE TO ADMIT IT but I might be wrong about WCG , and I agree with you with Dakkys comment about it was cool for another town to die and his soft claim about being bullet proof and he would love to see I.B. try to shoot him makes him look scummy. UNVOTE VOTE DAKKY

[dakky21]

BTW, I can't wait to get killed by you

What is this Dakky? You are asking the confirmed town player to kill you. How does that help town?

First of all, that was a sarcastic comment about IB shooting town players whole game. Thought you'd realize that.

Now, with that said, when you're pushing me Rizky...

@dakky u make a fairly strange case on me but when I ask u a few questions u reply with dont push me over the edge.. What is that supposed to mean?

I'm saying I know something others do not know, and you know what I know. Don't push me over the edge because Streaker asked me not to tell, but if needed, it will get into sunlight. This game is spoiled enough already.

[ptlowe]

BTW, I can't wait to get killed by you

What is this Dakky? You are asking the confirmed town player to kill you. How does that help town?

First of all, that was a sarcastic comment about IB shooting town players whole game. Thought you'd realize that.

Now, with that said, when you're pushing me Rizky...

@dakky u make a fairly strange case on me but when I ask u a few questions u reply with dont push me over the edge.. What is that supposed to mean?

I'm saying I know something others do not know, and you know what I know. Don't push me over the edge because Streaker asked me not to tell, but if needed, it will get into sunlight. This game is spoiled enough already.

Gets popcorn

[rizky_biznezz]

Lol ptlowe....

No need to try and use it against me i have no problems if it comes out... all I asked was what happened if someone didn't vote before deadline as it wasn't written in the initial write up... As it wasn't to do with the actual game and just a general question i thought it would be ok to ask but was instructed to only ask questions in here..

Is that why u say the game is spoiled dakky or is there something else? Im happy to answer ur questions