[Official] NBC Mafia Town Win MVP=trinicardinal

[BGtheBrain]

****

[strike wolf]

For the record and this varies depending on when the deadline is set and game size, I find the line for enough info without a lynch to be roughly either 2 power roles somewhat depending on their abilities (more than two spreads town's ability to protect too thin) or three claims. The latter being that if you can get three believable claims you narrow the field and it is better to take a step back to reevaluate other cases before stepping into the ring as a fourth case would likely be rushed on day 1. Finding three believable claims is also unlikely in one day so it can be more beneficial to examine one of the claimed characters rather than exposing a 4th role.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Leitz
MoB Deadly
Rodion
jimfinn
shieldgenerator7
jonty125
dazza2008
trinicardinal
Swifte
drunkmonkey
BGtheBrain (9)- strike, jonty, Rodion, MeDeFe, Swifte, betiko, chap, MoB, BG
Epitaph1
betiko (1) - Leitz
MeDeFe
chapcrap
strike wolf

BG has been lynched! Scene coming up.

[safariguy5]

Scene

As the day dawned, people the citizens of Halloweentown went along their ghoulish ways. As the day wore on however, several people decided to take the lead and try to find the foul presence.

One citizen took it upon himself to tack a long list of plans for everyone to follow.

Suspicion centered around two people. One claimed to be the important Doctor, so everyone decided to leave him alone. The other understood his position, and exclaimed, "May you gain wisdom from my death!"

Laying down his pitchfork, he accepted his fate.

BGtheBrain, Devil Vanilla Townie has been lynched!

Click image to enlarge.

It is now Night 1! 48 hours to send in your actions. Since it's the weekend, I'll allow night to extend a little longer as everyone may not be online as much. But please get the actions in.

[BGtheBrain]

****

[trinicardinal]

[MoB Deadly]

ROFL!!

[Leitz]

Haha, nice one BG!

[safariguy5]

Hilarious lol.

[betiko]

sorry I didn't get it: how long is a night?? we're tuesday and it started on saturday... should give plenty of time for a decision!

BG, you should ve carved a pumpkin if you wanted a medal; it would ve taken as much time as the one spent for you image and i m sure you would ve won one!!

[trinicardinal]

sorry I didn't get it: how long is a night?? we're tuesday and it started on saturday... should give plenty of time for a decision!

BG, you should ve carved a pumpkin if you wanted a medal; it would ve taken as much time as the one spent for you image and i m sure you would ve won one!!

lol I agree fully

and saf did say he would give a little extra time...

It is now Night 1! 48 hours to send in your actions. Since it's the weekend, I'll allow night to extend a little longer as everyone may not be online as much. But please get the actions in.

... hopefully its over soon

[safariguy5]

Scene

As the residents of Halloween Town settled down for the night, one in particular seemed restless. He scurried to the house of another monster and sealed the victim in the bedroom with large boards across the doorway. Quite a juvenile prank to say the least.

Unfortunately, this bedroom was quite small to begin with and the monster never made it to the next day.

drunkmonkey, Creature Under the Stairs, Vanilla Townie has been killed!


It is now Day 2, with 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

[drunkmonkey]

AVENGE ME!!!

[trinicardinal]

ok.. so thankfully it was a VT and not a power role that we lost. I would have loved it if it had been some sort of scum.... but that's way too much to hope for. Unfortunately we are now down 2 town.

Q1. One kill - does this mean no SK, straight mafia vs us
Q2. Who seems to be the scummiest of the remaining players?
Q3. Where do we go from here?

[jonty125]

ok.. so thankfully it was a VT and not a power role that we lost. I would have loved it if it had been some sort of scum.... but that's way too much to hope for. Unfortunately we are now down 2 town.

Q1. One kill - does this mean no SK, straight mafia vs us
Not Necessarily - roleblocks are potentials or poisoner which requires two nights but no flavour infomation

Q2. Who seems to be the scummiest of the remaining players?
I'll re-read before putting forward the most scummiest candidate

Q3. Where do we go from here?
Lets see if anyone has any information and then answer to Q2

[betiko]

oh well, a vt is kind of the best option we could've expected!
what is a SK? a serial killer?
I m quite surprised the victim is drunk monkey, I ll need some re-reading as well i think.

when is the deadline of day 2?

[jonty125]

oh well, a vt is kind of the best option we could've expected!
what is a SK? a serial killer? Yes
I m quite surprised the victim is drunk monkey, I ll need some re-reading as well i think.

when is the deadline of day 2?

[strike wolf]

Sk does stand for serial killer. If you get confused about some of the abbreviations there is a guide in tthe rules and terms of mafia thread. The kill does seem to support oogie boogie and the kids but beyond that I have no solid suspicions beyond that. Drunk may have been targeted because he was an active player who didn't stand out much other wise but that's all wifom especially after only one night.

[safariguy5]

oh well, a vt is kind of the best option we could've expected!
what is a SK? a serial killer?
I m quite surprised the victim is drunk monkey, I ll need some re-reading as well i think.

when is the deadline of day 2?

No deadline for Day 2 until activity really starts suffering. I don't like my Day 1's to drag from jokevoting and such, so I usually set a deadline for those. The rest of the game I'll usually allow plenty of time, but if the day stalls or people stop posting, I'll put in another deadline.

[chapcrap]

First of all, I'm frustrated because I haven't seen the movie and both times I went and tried to rent it last week, the video store had it already rented out!!

Second, the phrasing of the scene makes it seem like it would point to a specific person who may scurry, be juvenile, and is a monster. Having not seen the movie, I can't comment on which character that might be. However, strike seemed to think the oogie boogie.

Third, I can understand a lynch of drunkmonkey. He was a townie that was involved, but not overly involved, so it was unlikely that we were going to lynch him. Good option for a kill from a scum point of view.

Lastly, I will be doing research while I am at work today to make a specific case against someone. Hopefully I will have time to. I'm sure I'll get FASTPOSTED 20 times or so.

[Epitaph1]

Yeah, the "juvenile prank" seems like something the kids (Lock/Shock/Barrel) would have done. I guess we can leave the possibility of a SK on the table, but it would have been a fluke to have a successful roleblock of one on N1.

[chapcrap]

Agreed that we don't have that much time and need to press on with trying to get more serious. I would really prefer that we do not end up in a situation where we make a rushed lynch

Says he doesn't want to have a quick lynch at the end of the day. I agree with that sentiment.

so the options are this.

Randomly pressure someone
Pressure someone who says something kind of weird.

I sympathize with Betiko for trying to get something going and having it backfire, it can be frustrating. BUT, we have to get some info.

vote Betiko

I totally agree with this. I will not vote yet though .. have to check and see how many votes for Betiko... I am not going to take a chance of mistaken lynching for sure..lol

Says he 'totally agree's, but doesn't vote. Even though he doesn't want a quick lynch and he agrees. This seems a little strange.

what I exactly said is "let s put the question the other way; out of the 16 who do we trust a little?"
and I said that for me it was rodion for the question I asked giving my reason. I just think that scums will do anything to avoid starting constructive reasoning too soon so that we can randomly lynch one of us and we run out of time.
I said "trust a little" meaning that I don t fully trust rodion, but I am likely to do so because I think the question he asked would help and he s the first one to really ask something game related that could help us in our decision.
I perfectly knew that asking this question I would put myself in the front line, as no one started at that point taking positions (other than for joking). Now, objectively, would waiting for other players to answer this question make me necesairly scum? i knew that asking this i would get a few votes, but there is a bit too much of band wagoning here in my opinion..

If I didn t want to take any risk I would ve just asked if peter crouch got dumped by his girlfriend for unapropriately signing for stoke city! :-p

Peter Crouch has a wife not a gf.

And I can't see this case on betiko can someone who has voted please explain why for the life of me it just likes a BW (particularly from BG)

there doesn't seem like any case to me. All it seems like is that the idea is to pressure someone into giving information

There really isn't anything much to go on so far

He says all this is doing is putting pressure on someone (which he previously agreed with), but he still doesn't want to vote. At this point, trini still had a joke vote on Leitz. You can see that here:

Vote Count

Leitz (1) - trinicardinal
MoB Deadly
Rodion (2) - jimfinn, shieldgenerator7
jimfinn
shieldgenerator7 (1) - betiko
jonty125 (1) - Leitz, epitaph
dazza2008 (2) - jonty125, dazza2008
trinicardinal
Swifte
drunkmonkey
BGtheBrain
Epitaph1
betiko (6) - MeDeFe, Leitz, drunkmonkey, chapcrap, dazza, BGtheBrain
MeDeFe
chapcrap
strike wolf (1) - betiko

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline on November 20th.

Unvote. That's too close for me to vote for betiko at this point.... but close enough for some pressure I think... I am certainly not going to bring betiko to L-2 without something to go on

L-2 isn't that big of a deal to me. If a couple of people quick hammered from L-2 without a claim, then they would be suspect. Although, it isn't that scummy to not want someone to get to L-2, it still goes against what he previously stated. It's like he was trying to put pressure on without actually having to vote.

It is quite simple strike... I agree that we probably need to put pressure on someone to get some more info. In this case a bandwagon has formed on betiko so he might be the first person to give us info. But in no way do I want to bring betiko to the point of lynching without some sort of tangible evidence that he is scum... there has been no tangible evidence for anyone so far... just some vague suspicions.

I just want to lynch some scum... Its Day 1 so extremely hard to find scum. So yes, if it would mean that pressure would give information I don't mind applying the pressure. I DO NOT want to bring a possible townie to a point where mafia could just hammer home the kill. We have no idea who has what role in this game and in my limited experience so far.. applying some pressure has worked... i have also seem power roles get killed this way so I am cautious.

This was a response to strike's semi-case that he made before he made a base against BG. The logic in it seems flawed to me. How can he know that betiko isn't scum? He just assumes that betiko is town and he can't be brought to L-2 because that would be disasterous. L-2 is nothing. All it does is force a claim. It almost seems like he is covering for betiko at this point.

Also I find it interesting that strike talks about being suspicious of some of those voting for betiko and then proceeds to try to build a case against me when I have deliberately refrained from voting for betiko at this point due specifically to the point that there is no real case against anybody yet. Hell this thing is nothing but paranoia

Tries to use the non-voting as a defense for himself not being on the bandwagon.

sorry I haven't posted more... I was away from the office for the last 2 day and I just got a few minutes to log in and catch up on the talk... and see all the side talk. We still don't have much information for this day 1. and I can't really see anything much to give me any kind of serious suspicions about anyone at this point in time... have to reread and see if there's anything

Oh, and just for the record folks

I am male!

Confirms he is male and explains why he has been away. Says we don't have much day 1 information. This frustrates me because we could have had a claim from betiko. Also because at that point strike made a semi case against trini already and a case against BG.

The deadline is irrelevant.

This is a universal truth that applies to day 1. Someone must be lynched.

At that time Betiko was by far the best option to at the very least be pressured.

I would disagree that the deadline is irrelevant since we go into the night with a no lynch if we cannot come to agreement by then. That in itself is a significant factor in the game. If it continues as it is going so far we will also go into the night with practically no information at all... which seems like a even worse scenario to me cos then we'll likely be down a townie and be in pretty much the same situation the next day... not much info but 1 less townie.

BG was right here. betiko was the best option to be pressured because he was already at L-3. On day 1 you aren't going to get a lot of information, so when someone gets that low, it's a good idea to try to make them claim. At this point trini despairs about possibly going into the night with no information. At this point, I really wanted to go after trini for acting scummy and irrationally, but because there were already other cases going, there was no need to muddle up day 1 and not get any information.

Updated Last post list - I've done my best to make this 100% accurate, please no hard feelings if I've made a slight mistake, but I did look very closely at each players posts. Bold added to the two players who we haven't heard from in 4 or more days. Dates based on my own time zone (Central US)

Players
1. Leitz - 2 days ago (Saturday)
2. MoB Deadly - today
3. Rodion - today
4. jimfinn - today
5. shieldgenerator7 - 4 days ago (Thursday)
6. jonty125 - today
7. dazza2008 - today
8. trinicardinal - today
9. Swifte - today
10. drunkmonkey - 1 day ago (Sunday)
11. BGtheBrain - today
12. Epitaph1 - 2 days ago (Saturday)
13. betiko - 2 days ago (Saturday)
14. MeDeFe - 2 days ago (Saturday)
15. chapcrap - 5 days ago (Wednesday)
16. strike wolf - today

Hmmm... seems to me I've seen more recent posts from chapcrap on other parts of the forum..... yep, did some checking he posted in several threads today including the Stool Pigeon Mafia... so he's been in the mafia Forums...He's had more than 60 posts since his last post here, including at least 2 other mafia games... Strange that he hasn't posted here recently. To me that seems like some serious submarining. out of all his posts in this thread he has 4 serious/semi serious posts which don't really say much... is he trying to avoid selling himself out?.... I find this suspicious so for now - Vote chapcrap

I find it funny that trini decided to FINALLY vote and it was for general inactivity. It's funny because he was away for 2 and a half days then came back only to say sorry for being away. Then disappeared for another day and a half. His very slim posting with no substance in it over a 4 day period seems awfully scummy to me. Over a four day period and 6 pages of thread he had 3 posts. One to say sorry for being away, one to disagree with BG, and the third (I didn't quote) was just to say thanks to Rodion for his day 1 claiming guide.

I don't mind voting someone for being inactive. And I probably was the right vote to make at that point because I hadn't posted in the longest amount of time, but for someone like trini to do it with the activity he displayed is a little backwards.

And I did mean 3 people, not 3 posts. So, fastposted by 3 people and 4 posts.

I can't believe I have been the most 'inactive' person in here. This is definitely the most active mafia game I have ever been a part of.

In response to betiko and trini, 5 days isn't a lot of time to not post something. I just happen to be in the middle of the most active game ever. And I am always active in every game and a bunch of forums. I already stated in my last post that I had been reading and keeping up with everything, I just hadn't posted anything because I didn't feel like I had anything to add.

Am I surprised that betiko stuck with his OMGUS vote? No. He doesn't know what else to do.

Am I surprised that trini voted? No. Trini hasn't been playing very well in my opinion, so voting real quick seems exactly like what I would expect.

Well I am the first to admit that I'm not so good at this game... I'm still a noob. I am not so happy with my level of play at this point in time either... Then again your play hasn't been very good either imo considering everything you have said and you certainly seemed to respond extremely quickly after my vote. Let's examine your posts shall we?


you agree inactivity can be grounds for suspicion but you have been fairly inactive.

Then when he tries to explain his vote on me, he ignores the fact that I was FASTPOSTED and tries to say that I responded so quickly because I was voted for. Skimmer. He goes on to say that I have been fairly inactive, which is grounds for suspicion (which was true), but ignores his own inactivity.

I agree that inactivity itself can be grounds for suspicion. However, I have just reviewed all players and all players in the game have posted within the last 48 hours. Obviously some more active than others, but far from deadbeats at this point. Dates are as of my own timezone I imagine.

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Agreed on this. However, I don't think that's something that we will be able to lean on in Day 1 in this game because I believe people will be more active as it's an official game.

I can kind of see the betiko and Rodion arguments. However, it's has enough WIFOM that it basically just leaves you using your gut either way you decide to lean. So, I can't really see a great case being made. I do like putting pressure on people when nothing is happening though, because I think it reveals things. So, unvote vote betiko

So you believe people will be MORE active yet you have been inactive the longest.... and you agree with putting pressure on - I'm fine with that as well. I thought that's what we're trying to do here... as far as I understand it voting for people puts some pressure on them!

He tries to say that we are trying to put pressure on, which he all of a sudden actually tries to do, but he does so without ackowledging the fact that he refused to earlier in the game even though he stated he wanted to. Why the sudden change of heart? Scumtell.

Plus you contradict your self here given the level of activity in the game (Full quotes are earlier in my post).[/color]

I believe people will be more active as it's an official game.

5 days isn't a lot of time to not post something.

He tries to say that I contradict myself. Saying that people will probably be more active (which has happened) and saying 5 days isn't a long time to not post isn't a contradiction. That's just me not posting. In most mafia games, 5 days isn't that long of a time not to post.

It seems to me like he has been acting funny all of day 1 and after I pointed out the fact that he was acting funny, he started acting more normally, but the fact that it took someone to point out his scumminess before he started acting normal, makes me think that he is a noob scum that didn't know how to hide it in the beginning.

unvote vote trini

FASTPOSTED by Epitaph

[trinicardinal]

somehow I suspected you'ld come after me with an OMGUS after I voted for you previously. That certainly seemed to rile you up chapcrap? Why is that?

Agreed that we don't have that much time and need to press on with trying to get more serious. I would really prefer that we do not end up in a situation where we make a rushed lynch

Says he doesn't want to have a quick lynch at the end of the day. I agree with that sentiment.

so the options are this.

Randomly pressure someone
Pressure someone who says something kind of weird.

I sympathize with Betiko for trying to get something going and having it backfire, it can be frustrating. BUT, we have to get some info.

vote Betiko

I totally agree with this. I will not vote yet though .. have to check and see how many votes for Betiko... I am not going to take a chance of mistaken lynching for sure..lol

Says he 'totally agree's, but doesn't vote. Even though he doesn't want a quick lynch and he agrees. This seems a little strange. - Simple enough - my first mafia game ended with a Day 1 kill of Town Tracker through hasty voting. I certainly don't want a repeat of such an occurence if I can help it.

what I exactly said is "let s put the question the other way; out of the 16 who do we trust a little?"
and I said that for me it was rodion for the question I asked giving my reason. I just think that scums will do anything to avoid starting constructive reasoning too soon so that we can randomly lynch one of us and we run out of time.
I said "trust a little" meaning that I don t fully trust rodion, but I am likely to do so because I think the question he asked would help and he s the first one to really ask something game related that could help us in our decision.
I perfectly knew that asking this question I would put myself in the front line, as no one started at that point taking positions (other than for joking). Now, objectively, would waiting for other players to answer this question make me necesairly scum? i knew that asking this i would get a few votes, but there is a bit too much of band wagoning here in my opinion..

If I didn t want to take any risk I would ve just asked if peter crouch got dumped by his girlfriend for unapropriately signing for stoke city! :-p

Peter Crouch has a wife not a gf.

And I can't see this case on betiko can someone who has voted please explain why for the life of me it just likes a BW (particularly from BG)

there doesn't seem like any case to me. All it seems like is that the idea is to pressure someone into giving information

There really isn't anything much to go on so far

He says all this is doing is putting pressure on someone (which he previously agreed with), but he still doesn't want to vote. At this point, trini still had a joke vote on Leitz. You can see that here:

Vote Count

Leitz (1) - trinicardinal
MoB Deadly
Rodion (2) - jimfinn, shieldgenerator7
jimfinn
shieldgenerator7 (1) - betiko
jonty125 (1) - Leitz, epitaph
dazza2008 (2) - jonty125, dazza2008
trinicardinal
Swifte
drunkmonkey
BGtheBrain
Epitaph1
betiko (6) - MeDeFe, Leitz, drunkmonkey, chapcrap, dazza, BGtheBrain
MeDeFe
chapcrap
strike wolf (1) - betiko

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline on November 20th.

Unvote. That's too close for me to vote for betiko at this point.... but close enough for some pressure I think... I am certainly not going to bring betiko to L-2 without something to go on

L-2 isn't that big of a deal to me. If a couple of people quick hammered from L-2 without a claim, then they would be suspect. Although, it isn't that scummy to not want someone to get to L-2, it still goes against what he previously stated. It's like he was trying to put pressure on without actually having to vote. - Same point as above. L-2 may not be such a big deal to you... I'm not a veteran so excuse me if I don't feel so comfortable bringing a possible townie to that point WITHOUT really good suspicion

It is quite simple strike... I agree that we probably need to put pressure on someone to get some more info. In this case a bandwagon has formed on betiko so he might be the first person to give us info. But in no way do I want to bring betiko to the point of lynching without some sort of tangible evidence that he is scum... there has been no tangible evidence for anyone so far... just some vague suspicions.

I just want to lynch some scum... Its Day 1 so extremely hard to find scum. So yes, if it would mean that pressure would give information I don't mind applying the pressure. I DO NOT want to bring a possible townie to a point where mafia could just hammer home the kill. We have no idea who has what role in this game and in my limited experience so far.. applying some pressure has worked... i have also seem power roles get killed this way so I am cautious.

This was a response to strike's semi-case that he made before he made a base against BG. The logic in it seems flawed to me. How can he know that betiko isn't scum? He just assumes that betiko is town and he can't be brought to L-2 because that would be disasterous. L-2 is nothing. All it does is force a claim. It almost seems like he is covering for betiko at this point. - I don't know his role he could be mafia or town but I have no way of knowing... I did say POSSIBLE which you have conveniently ignored... I dealt with this L-2 business earlier.

Also I find it interesting that strike talks about being suspicious of some of those voting for betiko and then proceeds to try to build a case against me when I have deliberately refrained from voting for betiko at this point due specifically to the point that there is no real case against anybody yet. Hell this thing is nothing but paranoia

Tries to use the non-voting as a defense for himself not being on the bandwagon.

sorry I haven't posted more... I was away from the office for the last 2 day and I just got a few minutes to log in and catch up on the talk... and see all the side talk. We still don't have much information for this day 1. and I can't really see anything much to give me any kind of serious suspicions about anyone at this point in time... have to reread and see if there's anything

Oh, and just for the record folks

I am male!

Confirms he is male and explains why he has been away. Says we don't have much day 1 information. This frustrates me because we could have had a claim from betiko. Also because at that point strike made a semi case against trini already and a case against BG. - Funny how you needed time but the same standard apparently does not apply to me? Please note that I did say that I was only got a few minutes to log in. I believe you know how much has been said in a few days, also, How does my confirming that I am male do affect your getting a claim from betiko?

The deadline is irrelevant.

This is a universal truth that applies to day 1. Someone must be lynched.

At that time Betiko was by far the best option to at the very least be pressured.

I would disagree that the deadline is irrelevant since we go into the night with a no lynch if we cannot come to agreement by then. That in itself is a significant factor in the game. If it continues as it is going so far we will also go into the night with practically no information at all... which seems like a even worse scenario to me cos then we'll likely be down a townie and be in pretty much the same situation the next day... not much info but 1 less townie.

BG was right here. betiko was the best option to be pressured because he was already at L-3. On day 1 you aren't going to get a lot of information, so when someone gets that low, it's a good idea to try to make them claim. At this point trini despairs about possibly going into the night with no information. At this point, I really wanted to go after trini for acting scummy and irrationally, but because there were already other cases going, there was no need to muddle up day 1 and not get any information. Well excuse me for not having your experience [/sarcasm] I have explained my raesons for not bringing to L-2 I'm not wasting my time on that again.

Updated Last post list - I've done my best to make this 100% accurate, please no hard feelings if I've made a slight mistake, but I did look very closely at each players posts. Bold added to the two players who we haven't heard from in 4 or more days. Dates based on my own time zone (Central US)

Players
1. Leitz - 2 days ago (Saturday)
2. MoB Deadly - today
3. Rodion - today
4. jimfinn - today
5. shieldgenerator7 - 4 days ago (Thursday)
6. jonty125 - today
7. dazza2008 - today
8. trinicardinal - today
9. Swifte - today
10. drunkmonkey - 1 day ago (Sunday)
11. BGtheBrain - today
12. Epitaph1 - 2 days ago (Saturday)
13. betiko - 2 days ago (Saturday)
14. MeDeFe - 2 days ago (Saturday)
15. chapcrap - 5 days ago (Wednesday)
16. strike wolf - today

Hmmm... seems to me I've seen more recent posts from chapcrap on other parts of the forum..... yep, did some checking he posted in several threads today including the Stool Pigeon Mafia... so he's been in the mafia Forums...He's had more than 60 posts since his last post here, including at least 2 other mafia games... Strange that he hasn't posted here recently. To me that seems like some serious submarining. out of all his posts in this thread he has 4 serious/semi serious posts which don't really say much... is he trying to avoid selling himself out?.... I find this suspicious so for now - Vote chapcrap

I find it funny that trini decided to FINALLY vote and it was for general inactivity. It's funny because he was away for 2 and a half days then came back only to say sorry for being away. Then disappeared for another day and a half. His very slim posting with no substance in it over a 4 day period seems awfully scummy to me. Over a four day period and 6 pages of thread he had 3 posts. One to say sorry for being away, one to disagree with BG, and the third (I didn't quote) was just to say thanks to Rodion for his day 1 claiming guide.

I don't mind voting someone for being inactive. And I probably was the right vote to make at that point because I hadn't posted in the longest amount of time, but for someone like trini to do it with the activity he displayed is a little backwards. Thank you for confirming that you wre the right vote at that point. Don't you think its even more backwards for you to take umbrage of the fact that I did since you were inactive for longer than I was and magically reapppeared after I voted for you

And I did mean 3 people, not 3 posts. So, fastposted by 3 people and 4 posts.

I can't believe I have been the most 'inactive' person in here. This is definitely the most active mafia game I have ever been a part of.

In response to betiko and trini, 5 days isn't a lot of time to not post something. I just happen to be in the middle of the most active game ever. And I am always active in every game and a bunch of forums. I already stated in my last post that I had been reading and keeping up with everything, I just hadn't posted anything because I didn't feel like I had anything to add.

Am I surprised that betiko stuck with his OMGUS vote? No. He doesn't know what else to do.

Am I surprised that trini voted? No. Trini hasn't been playing very well in my opinion, so voting real quick seems exactly like what I would expect.

Well I am the first to admit that I'm not so good at this game... I'm still a noob. I am not so happy with my level of play at this point in time either... Then again your play hasn't been very good either imo considering everything you have said and you certainly seemed to respond extremely quickly after my vote. Let's examine your posts shall we?


you agree inactivity can be grounds for suspicion but you have been fairly inactive.

Then when he tries to explain his vote on me, he ignores the fact that I was FASTPOSTED and tries to say that I responded so quickly because I was voted for. Skimmer. He goes on to say that I have been fairly inactive, which is grounds for suspicion (which was true), but ignores his own inactivity. no not skimming... You had not posted when I made my vote giving the reasons why you. Your post was made AFTER my own. If anyone is guilty of skimming it seems more likely to be you. Also I'm hardly likely to be suspicious of myself seeing that I know which Town Member I am but I have no idea who you are.

I agree that inactivity itself can be grounds for suspicion. However, I have just reviewed all players and all players in the game have posted within the last 48 hours. Obviously some more active than others, but far from deadbeats at this point. Dates are as of my own timezone I imagine.

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Agreed on this. However, I don't think that's something that we will be able to lean on in Day 1 in this game because I believe people will be more active as it's an official game.

I can kind of see the betiko and Rodion arguments. However, it's has enough WIFOM that it basically just leaves you using your gut either way you decide to lean. So, I can't really see a great case being made. I do like putting pressure on people when nothing is happening though, because I think it reveals things. So, unvote vote betiko

So you believe people will be MORE active yet you have been inactive the longest.... and you agree with putting pressure on - I'm fine with that as well. I thought that's what we're trying to do here... as far as I understand it voting for people puts some pressure on them!

He tries to say that we are trying to put pressure on, which he all of a sudden actually tries to do, but he does so without ackowledging the fact that he refused to earlier in the game even though he stated he wanted to. Why the sudden change of heart? Scumtell. - What sudden change of heart same reasons as before for L-2 and I had found someone who seemed to be acting scummier - namely you

Plus you contradict your self here given the level of activity in the game (Full quotes are earlier in my post).[/color]

I believe people will be more active as it's an official game.

5 days isn't a lot of time to not post something.

He tries to say that I contradict myself. Saying that people will probably be more active (which has happened) and saying 5 days isn't a long time to not post isn't a contradiction. That's just me not posting. In most mafia games, 5 days isn't that long of a time not to post.

It seems to me like he has been acting funny all of day 1 and after I pointed out the fact that he was acting funny, he started acting more normally, but the fact that it took someone to point out his scumminess before he started acting normal, makes me think that he is a noob scum that didn't know how to hide it in the beginning. It took me voting for you for submarining before you suddenly started posting isn't that strange?

unvote vote trini

FASTPOSTED by Epitaph

So - In summary your points are Mostly what trini said about me back at him even though my record is worse (attempt at WIFOM?)

[chapcrap]

:lol: somehow I suspected you'ld come after me with an OMGUS after I voted for you previously. That certainly seemed to rile you up chapcrap? Why is that?

So - In summary your points are Mostly what trini said about me back at him even though my record is worse (attempt at WIFOM?)

Yeah, I guess you could say that if you want to summarize it incorrectly and not defend yourself.

And if you want to call a whole case OMGUS, that's fine. It's not. I don't care about the fact that you voted me yesterday.

[jonty125]

Trini, do you understand what it means to be FASTPOSTED means because from your defense it doesn't.