Mass Effect 1 - Thorian (Cult) Wins!

[dakky21]

Me thinks Thor is playing the newbie card too much. He thinks he is still in charge of CSI unit and not providing any new info, while "investigating" other kills.

Something doesn't sound right in that. Could be a full newbie or could be a experienced player new on this forums who knows how to blend in as a "newbie". Either way, that card should have expired in my eyes.

I will vote him. Something just isn't right about his play.

Vote Thor

[Thorthoth]

Me thinks Thor is playing the newbie card too much. He thinks he is still in charge of CSI unit and not providing any new info, while "investigating" other kills.

Dang it. dakky. I am new to this and regardless of whether I survive or not, I would like to understand what is possible in this game. Anybody want to try answering my annoying questions? I don't know about dakky, but I would consider such a reply to be 'new information'.

I know I should pick a random person and accuse them on a flimsy pretext... but since it's my first game, forgive me for accusing that pushy guy who is likely over-compensating because he has something to hide.

Vote dakky

[Samlen]

How dare you bastards kill mitch.
The alternative is that mitch was not targeted, but that he successfully saved someone else. Bodyguards have a 50/50 chance of dying or killing the attacker when they protect someone. Certainly seems more plausible than someone directly taking out mitch.

I still suspect Fircoal.

What you just wrote surprised me... twice.
Firstly, you also suggest that Mitch died while being a bodyguard and that certainly makes the most sense... but there is also the more remote possibility that he actually WAS targeted.

Secondly, you mention that a bodyguard has a 50/50 chance to kill the attacker? Is that always the case?
Could there be a scenario in which both the body guard and the killer (or the target) die, perhaps due to another action by a third-party? if so Pika could be Mitch's killer or the character that Mitch was trying to protect.

I admit that I'm speculating out on a slender limb but what you said got my imagination going.

Hate to admit it, but the game is becoming more fun with a few killings to investigate.

We could try looking at who mitch would've thought to protect, but considering that someone probably targeted said person for a kill, they might actually be valuable/thought as valuable so we might not want to expose them to scum that don't know them.

Bodyguards do typically have a 50% chance to kill the attacker of whoever they are protecting, but it can vary from host to host so we have no way of knowing for sure. I doubt the ??? role was killed by mitch since mitch's role just said bodyguard, not janitor.



@strike might just be me but I thought that bit of flavor made it sound like one of shepard's close teammates got converted or something. Might just b erandom flavor too. Can't afford to speculate too much since we saw where that got us in lion king.

[Ragian]

Sorry. Am out all day today and will be hung over tomorrow. Will try to manage participation tomorrow.

[dakky21]

Me thinks Thor is playing the newbie card too much. He thinks he is still in charge of CSI unit and not providing any new info, while "investigating" other kills.

Dang it. dakky. I am new to this and regardless of whether I survive or not, I would like to understand what is possible in this game. Anybody want to try answering my annoying questions? I don't know about dakky, but I would consider such a reply to be 'new information'.

I know I should pick a random person and accuse them on a flimsy pretext... but since it's my first game, forgive me for accusing that pushy guy who is likely over-compensating because he has something to hide.

Vote dakky

And another OMGUS. You say you would like to understand what is possible, why don't you go read other finished games and see what is possible?

Bodyguards do typically have a 50% chance to kill the attacker of whoever they are protecting, but it can vary from host to host so we have no way of knowing for sure. I doubt the ??? role was killed by mitch since mitch's role just said bodyguard, not janitor.

Mitch was a bodyguard, not a janitor. Possibly, we have another player who is a janitor and targeted Pika and that's why he got dead as ????.

[Minister Masket]

so we need to look at who tried to defend Caff, even lightly, and who didn't vote for him.

That's easy. Minister Masket you and Skoffin, both with some ridiculous directing night actions shenanigans. Since Fircoal says you are playing to your meta, I am going to believe him. MM is the lynch du jour.

vote minister masket

Oh yes, me pushing benga hard to jail Caffeine again for Night 2 followed by voting him to get him to role claim was absolutely 'defending' him. Great logic there.

Yes I unvoted him but I didn't get time to vote him again after he was counter-claimed.

[DoomYoshi]

so we need to look at who tried to defend Caff, even lightly, and who didn't vote for him.

That's easy. Minister Masket you and Skoffin, both with some ridiculous directing night actions shenanigans. Since Fircoal says you are playing to your meta, I am going to believe him. MM is the lynch du jour.

vote minister masket

Oh yes, me pushing benga hard to jail Caffeine again for Night 2 followed by voting him to get him to role claim was absolutely 'defending' him. Great logic there.

Yes I unvoted him but I didn't get time to vote him again after he was counter-claimed.

Pushing to have him jailed = pushing for town to waste both a lynch and a night action. You know it was a stupid plan, you already started apologizing for it in your first post when you outlined it. So perhaps you can explain now, why do you want to waste a doctor action on confirmed scum?

[Minister Masket]

Sorry but I no longer know what you're talking about. Had Caff being jailed again N2 and therefore prevented another night kill, that would've alternatively near-100% confirmed as scum. He only died last day phase as he chose a poor fake role claim.

But let's see those players who didn't lynch Caff:

7. Fircoal
9. Minister Masket
12. Thorthoth
13. DoomYoshi
16. TA1LGUNN3R

Oh look, Doom is on it! Nice try deflecting attention onto me I guess.

Yes I'm on there too despite my previous vote on him but it only takes a cursory look back over the last day phase to see I was against Caff from the start.

I would say these four need some scrutiny, but going by that new scene, it looks like 3rd party are making their move on the crew.

[DoomYoshi]

Sorry but I no longer know what you're talking about. Had Caff being jailed again N2 and therefore prevented another night kill, that would've alternatively near-100% confirmed as scum.

Do you know what else near-100% confirms him as scum? A lynch. There is too much to go wrong with your plan. I don't know why you didn't see it then and can't see it now.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I will be gone until monday/tuesday. Play nice

[Thorthoth]

Sorry but I no longer know what you're talking about. Had Caff being jailed again N2 and therefore prevented another night kill, that would've alternatively near-100% confirmed as scum. He only died last day phase as he chose a poor fake role claim.

But let's see those players who didn't lynch Caff:

7. Fircoal
9. Minister Masket
12. Thorthoth
13. DoomYoshi
16. TA1LGUNN3R

Oh look, Doom is on it! Nice try deflecting attention onto me I guess.

Yes I'm on there too despite my previous vote on him but it only takes a cursory look back over the last day phase to see I was against Caff from the start.

I would say these four need some scrutiny, but going by that new scene, it looks like 3rd party are making their move on the crew.

sigh... I probably would have voted for caff, I did give him an official FOS but I thought I had time to think it over, I honestly didn't realize that game days ended early if a lynch vote is cast.
...and I wouldn't be surprised if all of caff's mafia partners voted for caff. They would have known he was guilty and needed to be eliminated.

ALSO, I looked up janitor on the MafiaWiki. So it is a type of killing role that 'cleans up' the evidence. It also says that it is usually a mafia role. If that is true then the Mafia may have killed Pika?... but then who/what killed Mitch? If we assume the Thorian doesn't kill, and the town only kills by lynching,,, then I'm stuck. Could there be a some kind of 'fourth party' like an independent serial killer or something? like that/

[dakky21]

Seriously, you know to cast an OFFICIAL FOS but you don't know to cast a vote? Give me a break Thor. I would accept it if you weren't going for that newbie card.

You would voted Caff but you needed time to think it? Gimme a break...

I vomiting on your posts... my vote stands.

[Thorthoth]

Seriously, you know to cast an OFFICIAL FOS but you don't know to cast a vote? Give me a break Thor. I would accept it if you weren't going for that newbie card.

You would voted Caff but you needed time to think it? Gimme a break...

I vomiting on your posts... my vote stands.

At leas tadmit your misquoting me. I do know how to cast a vote but I though the final lynch vote tally would be on the 28th. I was honestly surprised to learn that an eaerly vote to lynch would end the the day.
Frankly it 's almost unfair.It's like scheduling an election day and then going by the results of the first poll wiht a positive result. But okay, that's the way Mafia games are played, now I know.

In some ways everybody is still a noob, due to the fact that each DM (or whatever they are called) can make announced and unexplained game rule changes and other customizations.

[dakky21]

As I said, gimme a break.Thor you are either a total newbie, which I don't believe since you know what a FOS is, or you are an advanced player who knows how to trick others. I believe you are the second one - I mean advanced player and you're tricking all. Just like Caff tried. Well that's my thoughts...

[Thorthoth]

As I said, gimme a break.Thor you are either a total newbie, which I don't believe since you know what a FOS is, or you are an advanced player who knows how to trick others. I believe you are the second one - I mean advanced player and you're tricking all. Just like Caff tried. Well that's my thoughts...

To hell with this, dakky. I'm not going to let you put me on a false defensive. YOU are the one acting scummy.
...and please, thanks to that ol' internet we all can look up rules and terminology in an instant. I AM learning more everyday, but this IS my first game.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Thorthoth - Saren has been killed!

Sorry for lack of scene. Ill update it when I'm on a PC.

[DoomYoshi]

Hilarious.

[Skittles!]

What the f*ck lol

[benga]

LOL wtf

it's even more hilarious cause last night I blocked him

lmao

[benga]

sorry jailed him

[benga]

When I was vote counting, Benga you unvoted and then were the last one to vote again. Can I ask why? Just interested that you were the one that applied the first pressure on Caffeine and when things were a bit up in the air, you unvoted, and now he was fully lynched, you voted again.

cause I saw people dropping of case, no one was willing to lynch him so thought it would go to another day w/o lynch

didn't count the votes so just made sure he was lynched with that vote again

[Samlen]

Well I guess that puts dakky on the 'pretty much not mafia' list. Wonder if it's another day vigilante or poison. Wonder if it's dakky again xD I'm not exactly what we can learn from thor's death cause people's defense of him being noob-like isn't very alignment indicative so I doubt we'll find mafia by looking at them. Only thing I can think of is that I highly doubt that dakky would cause that much pressure on a teammate. Also sorely wishing we actually knew what these dead roles do :S Speaking of roles was thor convincingly pretending to not know he has a janitor on his team or did that unknown role actually surprise him as much as us? If he really didn't know about it maybe the thirdparty isn't a simple cult? I've played games with two mafia factions and it's possible the second one is considered third-party for clarification purposes.

[benga]

Speaking of roles was thor convincingly pretending to not know he has a janitor on his team or did that unknown role actually surprise him as much as us? If he really didn't know about it maybe the thirdparty isn't a simple cult? I've played games with two mafia factions and it's possible the second one is considered third-party for clarification purposes.

how are this 2 correlated?

[Thorthoth]

Fun! I'm enjoying this even more now that I'm dead, can't wait to see what happens next.... Okay, I'll be quiet, shhh.

[Minister Masket]

Sorry but I no longer know what you're talking about. Had Caff being jailed again N2 and therefore prevented another night kill, that would've alternatively near-100% confirmed as scum.

Do you know what else near-100% confirms him as scum? A lynch. There is too much to go wrong with your plan. I don't know why you didn't see it then and can't see it now.

You know what else confirms someone as scum? A day kill.

You're welcome!