Prison Mafia TOWN WIN !!

[i-andrei]

Read these and tell me what you think:
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=239406&start=400#p5282748
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=239406&start=425#p5282753
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=239406&start=425#p5282759
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=239406&start=425#p5282768

Not trying to ignore you, but there are several questions in the air for Pixar, Maxleod & DukeHazzard, and I think I'll give them some time to respond before I say much more.

Just as extra info, Pixar voted for Peppe and motivated that by saying Peppe likely tried to kill him that's why he got muted. That's convenient, but he never accused any of the 3 people that got muted N1 of that.

[i-andrei]

And btw, my scummy lists below, and some of my reasoning behind it.

List 1. Posting people:
0. Pixar
- Chanakram, Maxleod, Pershy got silenced N1.
- Maxleod and Pershy said they checked Pixar
- Pixar says it's a coincidence - then comes back and admits to silencing
- Pepe silenced night 2 - we could find out some things D4
- Message day 3: Well because of myself being an idiot, I can explain later if I have to, hope it don't get to that point and would be good for town if I didn't reveal myself. I have a change of thoughts. Unvote actorday, Vote Pepe Being there was only one night kill on Day2 and I believe there should have been two, and with Pepe being silenced I have a good feeling Pepe is Scum. Trust me.
- Why?
- Voted Pepe and motivated that by saying Pepe tried to kill kil and that's how he got muted. Never accused anyone from N1 of that.

1. Dukasaur
- Trusting Jmac but Jmac maybe acting dodgy?
- For voting Dunk day 1 when we needed votes for halrob?
- For voting me day2 ?
- For voting halrob when he was already lynched?

2. Jmac
- letting Dukasaur out of his 'people that don't speak' analysis
- For voting Dunk day 1 when we needed votes for halrob?
- For voting halrob when he was already lynched?

3. Dunk
- incriminating himself before day 1 even started
- posting the "Do not share darin is mafia" message


List 2. Silent people:
1. actorday
- not posting, no info.
- message on Raz's wall?
- only plus is him voting halrob

2. General Bax
- sometimes restraint is no less powerful. the information i learned last night is already out in the thread.
- well, know i'm innocent, but i'm willing to make an offer no one can refuse...
-- This is everything he posted

3. cdbridges
- he doesn't get night actions, only info he shared

[Ragian]

General Bax, Dukasaur and Pepe are dead weight as far as I'm concerned. Maybe cut loose? What do you all think?

FOS Dunk90.

It's true I have contributed very little, but I think fewer than half of the players have contributed anything of substance thus far.

We're all busy in R/L and doing the best we can.

I haven't seen anything really meaningful from Dunk yet.

I totally agree that too many people don't contribute (and probably have their reasons), but now that you've stopped by, could you give some thoughts on the game so far? Your thoughts on who's scummy and who's not? Preferably with reasons. Thanks!

[Razorvich]

POST COUNT DAY 3

26 - *Pixar*
00 - actorday
00 - cdbridges
04 - Darin44
09 - degaston
03 - Dukasaur
04 - DukeHazzard
05 - Dunk90
08 - fusibaseball
00 - General Bax
21 - i-andrei
07 - joshzam
09 - Maxleod
PepeAtila - Is speaking gibberish curled up under the stairs crying
14 - pershy
18 - Ragian
00 - TheJMac

[General Bax]

I've re-read the entire thread, and also gathered some information independently

I acknowledge with gratitude all those who have shown negative support.

I did not vote for the lynch because it was just no-sense brut force, as the late lynched participant could have been town or scum - no one knows.

I don't think the present data can support any intelligent informed decision as of yet, and therefore unless some substantive evidence miraculously appear, I believe it would be wiser to wait for day 4 prior to any more lynch parades.

[i-andrei]

I've re-read the entire thread, and also gathered some information independently

I acknowledge with gratitude all those who have shown negative support.

I did not vote for the lynch because it was just no-sense brut force, as the late lynched participant could have been town or scum - no one knows.

I don't think the present data can support any intelligent informed decision as of yet, and therefore unless some substantive evidence miraculously appear, I believe it would be wiser to wait for day 4 prior to any more lynch parades.

Are you unhappy with the latest lynch?

[Ragian]

I've re-read the entire thread, and also gathered some information independently

I acknowledge with gratitude all those who have shown negative support.

I did not vote for the lynch because it was just no-sense brut force, as the late lynched participant could have been town or scum - no one knows.

I don't think the present data can support any intelligent informed decision as of yet, and therefore unless some substantive evidence miraculously appear, I believe it would be wiser to wait for day 4 prior to any more lynch parades.

Are you unhappy with the latest lynch?

LOL. I was thinking the same thing.

[General Bax]

Any participant is eventually competition, so no sorrow, it's prison mafia, not Hotel California.

Nevertheless, it was not a decision based on data - not even partial data.

The basics of this game and what makes it interesting is the need to make decisions based on partial data in uncertainty conditions, game theory 101.

Partial information and rather than no information - and that was my comment.

[General Bax]

Any participant is eventually competition, so no sorrow, it's prison mafia, not Hotel California.

Nevertheless, it was not a decision based on data - not even partial data.

The basics of this game and what makes it interesting is the need to make decisions based on partial data in uncertainty conditions, game theory 101.

Partial information and rather than no information - and that was my comment.

[i-andrei]

Any participant is eventually competition, so no sorrow, it's prison mafia, not Hotel California.

Nevertheless, it was not a decision based on data - not even partial data.

The basics of this game and what makes it interesting is the need to make decisions based on partial data in uncertainty conditions, game theory 101.

Partial information and rather than no information - and that was my comment.

A decision based on a lying and non-respnsive person is considered enough data imho.

Then what's your take on Maxleod sharing Info about Pixar, Pixar lying, and voting PepeAtila?
That looks like more information than we had in D2. You seem unwilling to try and find out anything and that also could paint you as Scum.

[pershy]

General Bax, Dukasaur and Pepe are dead weight as far as I'm concerned. Maybe cut loose? What do you all think?

Pepe is silenced, not dead weight
general bax I agree

Dukasaur - I'm not so sure now about him being scum. More on that in a minute

[pershy]

although general bax has now chimed in
has he added any value tho?

[pershy]

If this describes you, and you trust me, please let me know. No more details are necessary. It will help me know who I can trust!

Shank you very much.

I'm operating on the assumption that you're town and trust you yes.
I could be wrong obviously.

[pershy]

About Dukasaur's confession - OK so that was me - my night action basically gets someone to reveal something about themselves during the next day. I thought it would be more conclusive.
As I said on N1 I chose Pixar who I found to be most scummy on D1. It didn't go through and I was silenced.
N2 I chose Dukasaur. I almost chose Pixar again but a. I thought targeting him might have been the reason I was silenced and b. he voted in the middle of the Halrod voting bandwagon (not at the beginning or end so he did seem to suspect Hal). So I chose someone not on the list of votes for scum.

I chose Dukasaur cause at that point he'd only made 3 posts and didn't seem to be investigative so I thought he was scummy.

When my night action finally kicked in he revealed this - not of his own free will - cause I got in his mind - however it's not very conclusive.

TO BE ME..... Be calm, clear, correct and consistent, turn any negative experiences to account, don't dismiss everything people tell you, or believe everything you're told. Always try to discover the truth before you speak, and remember that, to make your judgment, it's never enough to have just one source of information.

This is how he sees himself and was written by the mod. To me this seems like he sees himself as town. What do the rest of you think?

So that leaves for me on the top of my scum list
Actorday
Cdbridges
General bax
Pepe

Pepe starts with P - so if that theory is correct that P is not scum he's in the clear. It might not be of course but he was silenced as was myself, chana, and maxleod so I think that probably makes him town - I know chana and myself are and think max is town. Therefore I think Pepe is probably town.

So that leaves actorday, cdbridges, gen bax and theJmac.

I fossed Jmac for the double hammer after Hal was already toast.
He's top of my list now along with actor, cd and maybe gen bax -and the jury is still out for me about pixar. I still think he's probably 3rd party.

vote theJmac

Jmac - what is your defence for your scummy hammer after the fact?

He hasn't posted since then btw!

[*Pixar*]

Okay finally got time to respond to joshzam's questions, which should help some...

I will share that I do have a message ability and during the day2 I sent one to Halrob saying "Any last words SCUM? Better start coming up with your fake identity now before it's too late..." And he did not post a thing even with that threat. But yeah of course he can't share that because the SCUM is dead now.

Pix, according to your role, who are you allowed to write messages to?
Is there a limit to the number of messages you may write?
Have you written to anyone else? (hopefully someone who is still alive)

I can write to anyone, I am limited to 1 day/1 night. I wrote you the silly one about the soap on Night 1. Halrob on day 2. Forgot to use my day ability on Day 1 lol

1. Who did you write to on N2?
2. Who have you written to on D3?
3. Why did you choose to write that "silly"/threatening message to me on N1? ("Now you are vulnerable and should be scared for your life tomorrow")
4. Now that you've already claimed your abilities, what is the actual TITLE of your role?

If you want to be trusted, you will need to provide verifiable info.

1. Night 2 I wrote to Pepe "I've been watching you and your anxiety level rise as you sit in the corner of your cell watching your brother Halrob get thrown off the 1st floor. You're looking pretty guilty, I hope you have good reasoning in the morning. " Of course, he was silenced and cannot respond now.

2. Today I have written to Dukasaur which seems someone messed with his mind overnight or something? Not sure if he received my message or not?

3. Being day 1 not having any info/no lynch that day I had nothing to go off of other than the minor dunk comment. I was basically just seeing if you were going to come forward with the message or not, nothin too serious.

4. You want to know my title? This may help you guys go AHHHHHH I get it now.

Wait, who's the 25th?

My appologies, wile did drop out before the game started, I have fixed this error.

23 have been dropped off

24 remain alive

13 for a lynch

Notice how 23 were dropped off and 24 remain alive? You guys thought there might be some type of "Warden" role? Not as far as I know no. I have the title of "Ghost" living in the cells since you all arrived. That's the reason why whoever visits me is getting silenced and I cannot be night killed.

[i-andrei]

Hmm, so the message I received Day 1 is not from you?

Hola. I can sees you lieing well. Bravo. I know honestly and you are like me! Since we both Mafia can we work as team¿

Looks like something that Pepe would write, or that someone could frame him to write. Cause I am not sure if he's from Spain he would actually use that character in the end to give himself up.

[*Pixar*]

Yep I did not send you that message, forgot to use my Day1 ability. Not sure it would have helped anything anyways. If I had to guess yes sounds like a Pepe message

[*Pixar*]

I'm still keeping my vote on Pepe.

Based on Day1 Results:

Day 1 = 4 deaths (5 including mod kill)

Fusi claimed to use his one night kill ability on Loose.

Good indication that Loose killed Traffic which turned Mafia, no townie has claimed that kill...

And then we saw 2 townies get killed, Jonah and Traf.

Now what I could use assistance with is with EDIT: Traffic the Pyro mafia role, he is able to douse someone at night with gasoline and light the fire during the next day right? So is it possible he doused someone but wasn't able to complete the kill? That to me leaves me with 2 mafia members that are able to kill left. Because with Halrobs role of Informant he just receives a report of who got investigated in his group? He's not actually capable of killing, correct? So that leaves me to believe we should have had 2 dead instead of just chanakam. With Pepe visiting me and being hushed that leaves me to believe he tried to Night kill me, which I cannot be. Makes sense? Or am I talking gibberish

[Ragian]

unvote

Thank you, Pixar. I need to think of that before I don anything else. However, we're going to weekend now and I'm a single dad (sexy, single dad that is), so I'll do my best to chime in when the wee one is asleep, but I won't be on as much as when I'm at work (employee of the year).

Quick point: General Bax's posts are bullshit.

Quick question: Is the reasons Dukasaur is saying nothing but weirdo stuff that pershy tampered with him?

[DukeHazzard]

I did send in a night action, which if successful, I get a day action. But I'm 0/2 on my night actions.

I got this note during day 3. That's what prompted me to check the forum as I was unaware that day 3 had started.

So your night action failed both times, but you only got a PM after N1? Did something else happen that night?

I never got a PM after N1. It came on D3? Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Nothing happened that night for me.

On a side note, I don't agree with General Bax's assessment. Some of his points actually lead me to think he is scummy.

[DukeHazzard]

And pershy agreeing with him? Is he also scummy?

I guess that's my scummy list right now

General Bax
pershy

Don't know why some of you are still riding on the Pepe train. I think the note I got clears him. And he can't defend today. Does that point toward his accusers as possible scummy?? Or am I just being a noob in fully trusting my note?

[*Pixar*]

And pershy agreeing with him? Is he also scummy?

I guess that's my scummy list right now

General Bax
pershy

Don't know why some of you are still riding on the Pepe train. I think the note I got clears him. And he can't defend today. Does that point toward his accusers as possible scummy?? Or am I just being a noob in fully trusting my note?

That note could be real or fake honestly. Spys are Mafia-Aligned and can send anonymous messages. Not sure if that's who it is or not though, could be a mafia member covering for another with that note. I will say we do need to lynch someone today or else town is not in good shape for Day 4. Right now none of us are on the same page.

[Dunk90]

General Bax, Dukasaur and Pepe are dead weight as far as I'm concerned. Maybe cut loose? What do you all think?

FOS Dunk90.

It's true I have contributed very little, but I think fewer than half of the players have contributed anything of substance thus far.

We're all busy in R/L and doing the best we can.

I haven't seen anything really meaningful from Dunk yet.

It is fair to say that what I’ve posted so far is definitely less than meaningful. And my contribution thus far isn’t as articulate as I like or at all. But none-the-less I’m trying. And I’ll get more comfortable doing so in the future. But you have done next to NOTHING. Why shouldn’t you be lynched? I say we lynch one the quiet ones here just to shake things up. You aren’t alone. There are 3 or 4 of you doing exactly squat!

I SERIOUSLY THINK WE NEED TO HEAD IN THIS DIRECTION. I think one good lynch for one of the non contributors would give us a great deal of info.

Up for lynch…..

Dukasaur
General Bax
Pepe
CD
Acarday

Have I missed anyone?

[degaston]

I did send in a night action, which if successful, I get a day action. But I'm 0/2 on my night actions.

I got this note during day 3. That's what prompted me to check the forum as I was unaware that day 3 had started.

So your night action failed both times, but you only got a PM after N1? Did something else happen that night?

I never got a PM after N1. It came on D3? Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Nothing happened that night for me.

On a side note, I don't agree with General Bax's assessment. Some of his points actually lead me to think he is scummy.

I came to that conclusion from reading this:

Well that was a lot to read all at once. Being new to the game, I was waiting for a PM from Raz saying that day3 had begun, as was the case for the opening of day2. So I didn't check in until now.

So I interpreted that as you saying that you got a PM on the opening of D2, presumably with some results from the night, but that you did not get one at the opening of D3, and you only checked the thread after you got a PM about the note.
Is there some other way to read those comments?
So my question was to try to understand what was different about N1 vs N2 that caused you to get a note at the start of D2, but not D3. Can you clear this up?

Also, are you not subscribed to the thread? I get an email every time someone posts.

[degaston]

EBWOP:

So my question was to try to understand what was different about N1 vs N2 that caused you to get a note at the start of D2, but not D3.

"note" as in a PM from Razor with night results, not the piece of paper "note"