Muppet Mafia: Endgame - Where the Air is Sweet

[aage]

What makes you and vodean, better candidates to claim then i.e. myself or anybody else for that matter being

I don't know either, but we might want to lynch someone rather than resigning this day without learning anything.

Sorry for double post BUT I had an idea.

Here jak says

I'm just worried about losing our power roles early in the game.

If he was a power role, he wouldn't mention he's at L-3. Also,

If you want a claim from me I guess only one more vote is needed (This is a small game, so joke votes should be limited boys).

if he was a power role he wouldn't be willing to claim off two jokevotes and one bandwagon vote therefore, I think jak is NOT a power role. Leaving 2 circumstances, a) he is scum or b) he is VT. a) is a very desired lynch and b) is definitely not WCS.

I already have my vote on jak, so it is a shame I can't round the post off, with saying vote jak

I assumed Jak was joking when he said he would claim early. Now I think he might have referred to nameclaiming. Anyone can claim VT whenever they want, though. I won't be highly surprised if they do, since it's C9. Besides, in any case this discussion seems to be held at the beginning of every game by the same people, and I find its significance dubious.

I found it slightly scummy that Jak is outlining how many claims he is expecting and whatnot, even though this is uninteresting (and, no offence, rather irrelevant) info, but afaik he does it in every game as well so my suspicions are not seriously raised.

Jonty's negative attitude towards Jak's contributions seems odd to me, it doesn't seem very rational. I am inclined to vote for him.

[jonty125]

What makes you and vodean, better candidates to claim then i.e. myself or anybody else for that matter being

I don't know either, but we might want to lynch someone rather than resigning this day without learning anything.

We have no deadline as of yet, so why rush and offer yourself up when the only vote on you is a jokevote.

Sorry for double post BUT I had an idea.

Here jak says

I'm just worried about losing our power roles early in the game.

If he was a power role, he wouldn't mention he's at L-3. Also,

If you want a claim from me I guess only one more vote is needed (This is a small game, so joke votes should be limited boys).

if he was a power role he wouldn't be willing to claim off two jokevotes and one bandwagon vote therefore, I think jak is NOT a power role. Leaving 2 circumstances, a) he is scum or b) he is VT. a) is a very desired lynch and b) is definitely not WCS.

I already have my vote on jak, so it is a shame I can't round the post off, with saying vote jak

I assumed Jak was joking when he said he would claim early. Now I think he might have referred to nameclaiming. Anyone can claim VT whenever they want, though. I won't be highly surprised if they do, since it's C9. Besides, in any case this discussion seems to be held at the beginning of every game by the same people, and I find its significance dubious.

Why would you assume that? Jak's recent posts have been quite serious. We have already discussed nameclaiming and decided against it.

I found it slightly scummy that Jak is outlining how many claims he is expecting and whatnot, even though this is uninteresting (and, no offence, rather irrelevant) info, but afaik he does it in every game as well so my suspicions are not seriously raised.

Things in mafia don't have to be interesting; but I do agree it is SLIGHTLY irrelevant.

Jonty's negative attitude towards Jak's contributions seems odd to me, it doesn't seem very rational. I am inclined to vote for him.

Aren't I entitled to a difference in opinion?

[vodean]

i think that jak is very much out of character, and i think we have a decent case on him, and by jonty's logic, no good reason NOT to lynch him. i also wonder why jak wants me to claim... he didnt give a reason, and seems to want people to claim, which will only help scum.
vote jak

[vodean]

i also just want to say that my character is NOT on jak's list of possible characters. sorry about the double-post.

[jak111]

Well, there are two people I want confirmation from to claim if I must. I'm pretty sure Mr.Squirrel picked up on it and maybe Aage did as well, they are the veterans here so I hope they caught on.

Should I claim it, or should I leave it in the dust for now? This is my gambit for the veterans to catch it.

[aage]

What makes you and vodean, better candidates to claim then i.e. myself or anybody else for that matter being

I don't know either, but we might want to lynch someone rather than resigning this day without learning anything.

We have no deadline as of yet, so why rush and offer yourself up when the only vote on you is a jokevote.

Good question. A better question is: why do it if you're scum? Hence my inclination.

Jonty's negative attitude towards Jak's contributions seems odd to me, it doesn't seem very rational. I am inclined to vote for him.

Aren't I entitled to a difference in opinion?

I never denied you one. I have merely evaluated the opinion and formed my own.
Besides, your vote on him is based on it... stating that it is your opinion that Jak is scum also seems odd. Maybe I will vote for you.

Well, there are two people I want confirmation from to claim if I must. I'm pretty sure Mr.Squirrel picked up on it and maybe Aage did as well, they are the veterans here so I hope they caught on.

Should I claim it, or should I leave it in the dust for now? This is my gambit for the veterans to catch it.

Don't ask us to make your decisions, mate. If you think it's smart to claim, you're entitled to, but I don't really see any reason why you would.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Aren't Big Bird and Snuffleupagus from Sesame street? Well I know Big Bird is.. but Snuffleupagus must be a newer character from when I read the books as a kid.

Yes, they are. But Sesame Street and the Muppets are both his work. Just read the first page.

Well, there are two people I want confirmation from to claim if I must. I'm pretty sure Mr.Squirrel picked up on it and maybe Aage did as well, they are the veterans here so I hope they caught on.

Should I claim it, or should I leave it in the dust for now? This is my gambit for the veterans to catch it.

I think I know what you are implying here, but honestly that only makes me more suspicious of you. If I'm interpreting your words correctly, then I highly disapprove of how you are handling yourself here. If I am incorrect in my assumptions here, then I would like to see you lynched.

[jak111]

Aren't Big Bird and Snuffleupagus from Sesame street? Well I know Big Bird is.. but Snuffleupagus must be a newer character from when I read the books as a kid.

Yes, they are. But Sesame Street and the Muppets are both his work. Just read the first page.

Well, there are two people I want confirmation from to claim if I must. I'm pretty sure Mr.Squirrel picked up on it and maybe Aage did as well, they are the veterans here so I hope they caught on.

Should I claim it, or should I leave it in the dust for now? This is my gambit for the veterans to catch it.

I think I know what you are implying here, but honestly that only makes me more suspicious of you. If I'm interpreting your words correctly, then I highly disapprove of how you are handling yourself here. If I am incorrect in my assumptions here, then I would like to see you lynched.

Well, you're probably interpreting me correctly then. Meh.. I'm me. I knew it wasn't going to be long before my mouth got me in trouble in a small game. But for 2 nos I will keep my mouth shut about it.

Though. I may have a bit of break down on town. Since the two of you most likely know who I am, and you didn't make some BS excuse to try and drop the hammer, I am willing to bet you're town. Narrowing my list to 4 people (2 of which are most likely mafia). So in my opinion my gambit was well worth it.

[ShaggyDan]

Vote Count 1.4

Vodean: 0 -
Jak: 2 - jonty125, vodean -L2
Mr. Squirrel:
Aage: 0
Jonty: 1 - LSUtigerjosh
LSUtigerjosh: 0
DiM: 0

4 not voting (jak, Mr Squirrel, Aage, DiM). With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

No deadline set.

Many thanks to voldemort for the vote count .

_______________________________

Sam the Eagle knew it was his duty to contain the crazy situation. Following another muppet to the rafters he prepared his inspiring (and drawn out) speech.

"You were right, this is a great vantage point to calm everyone down from."

"I'm sure it would work better if you stand closer to the edge"

Unfortunatly his cloth and stuffing wings were merely decoration. And the pile of vegetable muppets were crushed upon his landing.

Sam the Eagle, NPC townie has fallen to his death.

Oh well, he died as he lived... A crushing bore!

Dohohohohohohohoho.

[aage]

Though. I may have a bit of break down on town. Since the two of you most likely know who I am, and you didn't make some BS excuse to try and drop the hammer, I am willing to bet you're town. Narrowing my list to 4 people (2 of which are most likely mafia). So in my opinion my gambit was well worth it.

What hammer? You were at L-2.

I think I know what you are implying here, but honestly that only makes me more suspicious of you. If I'm interpreting your words correctly, then I highly disapprove of how you are handling yourself here. If I am incorrect in my assumptions here, then I would like to see you lynched.

Let's assume your interpretation is the correct one. I always do.

I think this discussion will grow stale soon, I'll vote Jonty for the sake of some movement. Look to previous posts for reasons.

[jonty125]

What makes you and vodean, better candidates to claim then i.e. myself or anybody else for that matter being

I don't know either, but we might want to lynch someone rather than resigning this day without learning anything.

We have no deadline as of yet, so why rush and offer yourself up when the only vote on you is a jokevote.

Good question. A better question is: why do it if you're scum? Hence my inclination.

Hmm. I suppose we can only WIFOM on that.

Jonty's negative attitude towards Jak's contributions seems odd to me, it doesn't seem very rational. I am inclined to vote for him.

Aren't I entitled to a difference in opinion?

I never denied you one. I have merely evaluated the opinion and formed my own.
Besides, your vote on him is based on it... stating that it is your opinion that Jak is scum also seems odd. Maybe I will vote for you.

My vote for him, was based on my logic he is a non-power role.

In other news, Dim hasn't posted in 72 hours and LSU in 48 hours. Can we get a prod on DiM

[LSU Tiger Josh]

For now I'm willing to leave my vote on Jonty since Jak always seems scummy as hell to me and I've seen him lynched too many times over it to realize that he actually was town just playing that way.

[jak111]

Though. I may have a bit of break down on town. Since the two of you most likely know who I am, and you didn't make some BS excuse to try and drop the hammer, I am willing to bet you're town. Narrowing my list to 4 people (2 of which are most likely mafia). So in my opinion my gambit was well worth it.

What hammer? You were at L-2.

Read it again. I said that neither of you TRIED to drop the hammer. If either of you voted me, all it would require is a single scum to hammer me or a trigger itchy townie.

[jonty125]

Though. I may have a bit of break down on town. Since the two of you most likely know who I am, and you didn't make some BS excuse to try and drop the hammer, I am willing to bet you're town. Narrowing my list to 4 people (2 of which are most likely mafia). So in my opinion my gambit was well worth it.

What hammer? You were at L-2.

Read it again. I said that neither of you TRIED to drop the hammer. If either of you voted me, all it would require is a single scum to hammer me or a trigger itchy townie.

I seriously doubt, anybody would hammer you without a claim and a good debate. Unless they were queueing up for the chopping block.

[jak111]

Though. I may have a bit of break down on town. Since the two of you most likely know who I am, and you didn't make some BS excuse to try and drop the hammer, I am willing to bet you're town. Narrowing my list to 4 people (2 of which are most likely mafia). So in my opinion my gambit was well worth it.

What hammer? You were at L-2.

Read it again. I said that neither of you TRIED to drop the hammer. If either of you voted me, all it would require is a single scum to hammer me or a trigger itchy townie.

I seriously doubt, anybody would hammer you without a claim and a good debate. Unless they were queueing up for the chopping block.

In this set up, I wouldn't be surprised if mafia were willing to throw one of their own away to take a few townies with him. With this set up, he'd be able to take himself, me, and another tonight with him, leaving 3 players (since the next day would be spent lynching him and the following night someone else would die) Leaving no room for error.

[vodean]

arent there only 2 scum? they could hardly afford to throw one away.
FOS jak

[jak111]

arent there only 2 scum? they could hardly afford to throw one away.
FOS jak

Yea there's two scum. I'm gonna WIFOM and OMGUS here and Vote Vodean (Also, how can you add a FOS when your vote is already on me? That sounds like a bit "Let's get pressure on a townie and away from me" sort of deal.

Also, I am assuming my last minute plan worked and that one of the two scum is on my BW. Since you're the last of the two to vote (Maybe hoping for some momentum so you and your scummate can hide in the BW?) I'm going to guess that because of the reason in brackets you may be scum. All I know is that if you were to really kill me off Vodean, you'd only be able to afford 1 mislynch or two no lynches (Well, that's sort of a lie, since killing me would be your mislynch, making tomorrow and the next days kills mandatory).

If we no lynch today, we may lose the luxary of being able to afford a mislynch, however, if we lynch today, we lose being able to no lynch or mislynch in the future. I'm hoping town has the 1st set up of the game instead of the 3rd. Otherwise, we may go into a LYLO without a knowledge on who's town.

[vodean]

im still for no-lynching because if we no lynch today, no-lynch tomorrow, we will have an almost guaranteed mafia lynch the next day. plus the doctor could help us a lot. thats assuming we have a doctor. plus if there is a cop they could help us a lot too.

[jonty125]

im still for no-lynching because if we no lynch today, no-lynch tomorrow, we will have an almost guaranteed mafia lynch the next day. plus the doctor could help us a lot. thats assuming we have a doctor. plus if there is a cop they could help us a lot too.

But with that we have to lynch scum on D3 AND D4, and if we decide to do that, what can we discuss for the rest of today and D2. With your strategy we have a 40% chance of lynching scum on D3 (3 v 2), and on D4 it will be 2 v 1, were we MUST LYNCH SCUM that has a 66% chance giving a total of (0.4*(2/3)) = 26.6%. Of course, this assumes we don't have a cop and NO doc saves.

I have no idea what the percentages are for the other scenarios but 26.6%, isn't exactly reassuring.

[ShaggyDan]

Vote Count 1.5

Vodean: 1 - jak
Jak: 2 - jonty125, vodean -L2
Mr. Squirrel:
Aage: 0
Jonty: 2 - LSUtigerjosh, aage -L2
LSUtigerjosh: 0
DiM: 0

4 not voting (jak, Mr Squirrel, Aage, DiM). With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

No deadline set.

Dim will be replaced as soon as I possibly can. Will send some PMs around tomorrow when I am at a pc.

[jak111]

Vote Count 1.5

Vodean: 1 - jak
Jak: 2 - jonty125, vodean -L2
Mr. Squirrel:
Aage: 0
Jonty: 2 - LSUtigerjosh, aage -L2
LSUtigerjosh: 0
DiM: 0

4 not voting (jak, Mr Squirrel, Aage, DiM). With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

No deadline set.

Dim will be replaced as soon as I possibly can. Will send some PMs around tomorrow when I am at a pc.

Are you saying I get 2 votes

What I'm HOPING for is that we have a cop out there. Then we'd go with 2 no lynches. But if we don't I think a lynch today (So we have a choice in who dies to narrow down the list at least).

Should we risk there being a cop and no lynch?

Actually, no lynch might be our best option. I may be able to open up or close mafia possibilities.

[jonty125]

Should we risk there being a cop and no lynch?

I'm not comfortable taking that risk

Actually, no lynch might be our best option. I may be able to open up or close mafia possibilities.

Sorry jak, and nothing personal when I say this, but I'm not willing to give you that much power, not on D1, when you haven't been claimed or cleared in any way shape or form.

[vodean]

Vote Count 1.5

Vodean: 1 - jak
Jak: 2 - jonty125, vodean -L2
Mr. Squirrel:
Aage: 0
Jonty: 2 - LSUtigerjosh, aage -L2
LSUtigerjosh: 0
DiM: 0

4 not voting (jak, Mr Squirrel, Aage, DiM). With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

No deadline set.

Dim will be replaced as soon as I possibly can. Will send some PMs around tomorrow when I am at a pc.

Are you saying I get 2 votes

What I'm HOPING for is that we have a cop out there. Then we'd go with 2 no lynches. But if we don't I think a lynch today (So we have a choice in who dies to narrow down the list at least).

Should we risk there being a cop and no lynch?

Actually, no lynch might be our best option. I may be able to open up or close mafia possibilities.

and aage is listed as voting and not voting too.

i think we can at least no lynch today and be safe, if not tomorrow as well.

[Mr. Squirrel]

For all of you who are calculating probabilities, it doesn't work that way. This is mafia, not a game of roulette. Every word we type affects those probabilities.

I'd rather go from experience than from probabilities. And in my experience, a no lynch day 1 is usually a bad thing. I'm not sure who I will be voting for yet, but I'm leaning towards vodean currently. I'll try to post something of more substance later tonight.

[vodean]

my name keeps popping up, but everyone seems afraid to actually say why they want to lynch me. i can hardly defend against that!