PKMN Chap 2: Day 6(5/18)

[LootenPlunder]

Oh do you guys hammervote, or is it whoever has the most votes?

[shieldgenerator7]

Oh do you guys hammervote, or is it whoever has the most votes?

depends on the game/mod. Usually we hammer vote, as in if no majority is reached by deadline, it defaults to no lynch.

I would tell you to look at the OP, but it doesn't say. I'm guessing it defaults to no-lynch.

@MOD: can we get clarification on this? thanks

-SG7 ( )

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Yeah I understand the policy of day one lynches. Day one lynches can yield so much information. The best I can do in this position is deflect to another player and be accused of deflecting to further dig my grave.
Most of my read-up was on my past-self, the cases I had built were destroyed by later posts. So I'm still sifting through to get some goodens.

I think Ghostly should agree to be lynched if I flip town... if you're so sure why don't you put your life on the line!
Yes yes I understand you don't 100 percent know. But lets make this interesting shall we.

omg probably the most interesting post all game

[DoomYoshi]

Oh do you guys hammervote, or is it whoever has the most votes?

Days can end in no lynch.

Here is a copy of the mass prod in case somebody loses it:

Hey everyone, this is a massprod to remind you that the deadline is Friday! I am setting the deadline at midnight EST, but I may not be on then. You can continue talking until I post a scene, but no further votes will count.

This has been one of the richest day 1s I have seen in a while, so congratulations and thank you to everyone for posting their fullest. Also, thank you to our replacements for fighting through the wall of text to help the game move along.

Vote Count
Haggis (0) -
strike (0) -
freezie (0) -
pmchugh (7) - zimmah, pancake, clever, freezie, jonty, eldario, Tails L-3
jonty (1) - haggis
shield (0) -
Loot (2) - ghostly, shield
zimmah(1) - Victor
clever (0) -
edocsil (0) -
Tails (0) -
Victor (1) - pmchugh
Pancake (0) -
Ghost (1) - jonty

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
Deadline is Friday the 20th.

[shieldgenerator7]

Thanks Doomy. ("y" was a typo but I'll think I'll leave it in)

Ok so that means we have to have a majority or we no lynch

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Thanks Doomy. ("y" was a typo but I'll think I'll leave it in)

Ok so that means we have to have a majority or we no lynch

well i think its agreed a no lynch is really not an option. so do we lynch him or wait till deadline and see if something else comes up?

[LootenPlunder]

I will happily be the martyr this town deserves. If you guys are cool with lynching me, then I am too. You will have your list of peeps and Ghostly will be wrong.
Lets do this.
B)

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I will happily be the martyr this town deserves. If you guys are cool with lynching me, then I am too. You will have your list of peeps and Ghostly will be wrong.
Lets do this.
B)

omg i hope i am in more games with you lolol you are hysterical. omg i wonder if he is mafia acting desperate!!!!!??????

[ghostly447]

Well, after reading about 25 pages of bull shit, 5 pages of what seems to be town on town, and 2 pages of "DONT GIVE UP", I have come to the conclusion that:

Zimmah is a potential scum. I do not like how he handled the day 1 random pressure, and think his case could have waited for a little more evidence.

Strike Wolf is a top scum contender. Every time there is a strange post such as Nags "give me 3 reasons not to vote you", Strike wolf brings up jonty again, which by the way I do not feel is scum because I can understand people being quiet, especially if it is continued. I may persue jonty, but at this point it is neither worth time, or a strong case. FOS Strike Wolf

You say strike is a top scum conteneder and then only go on to FOS of him. And the case on me has nothing to do with inactivity. unvote vote ghostly

Forgot to say you were on the list. Well done Jonty, you seem to have missed my entire point that, in fact, Nag was top on my scum list. FOS jonty

Now to the really big fish to fry.

Kratos=blue
Me=red

Going through, Kranos mentioned somewhere (P.23 somewhere) saying "going against the grain was not good". Well, I feel that this is quite scummy personally. Because last I checked, Zimmah went against the grain. And he was released after getting a few votes on him, with no claim, and really no results.

Just out of curiosity did you actually read the case I presented or just skim through it? I didn't say that "Going against the grain was not good." That makes it sound like a general thing and that every time someone does it's a bad thing which certainly isn't true. My case, if you would read it, talked about how he was saying things that appeared like he was making it sound as if he was trying to seek out cases while still applying pressure to the case he wanted to make him look town. Yes there was also parts about him stagnating the game from continuing on with the zimmah case as well.

I did in fact read it. Sorry, 30 pages is quite a bit to read through and summarize in as little as I did. So wait, your case was about PMC saying things that made it appear that he was in fact looking for cases while still applying pressure to the first case? Well, that is the point of the game isnt it? Pursue the current case until a better one shows up. By continuing pressure, it allowed for another case to build, granted it backfired and almost led to him being the D1 lynch, but obviously he had town benefit in mind by seeking other cases. Thanks for giving me that point

What is really tricky is how Some7hingCLEVER continues to post a bunch of fluff to appear active but has no real substance to add anywhere...

True..But you know what is also really tricky? The fact that you were heading the case just 2 pages ago and now others are taking control and you are no longer really pushing on PMC. Funny how things like that work. You know, switching pressure everywhere by taking majority thought (everyone hates the pressure on Zimmah) and applying it to the person continuing to pressure.

What's even trickier than this though is how you're trying to twist things. Yes I was heading the case 2 pages ago but there weren't really any new developments for me to respond to and I was starting to get a much more null read on PMC at that point so there wasn't much to be said about that from me. And soon after he asked for time to create a solid defense for things which he did. Why would I continue to push that?

You didnt. I am just saying you directed pressure from zimmah onto PMC. You are in fact twisting my words, because here is my post:

Guys, Kranos is pushing this case hard. Such like a few pushed against Zimmah, and in the end, PMC was stuck as the next case just because he was finishing the case EVERYONE ELSE started.

Also, you must very much consider that my post against you was made before you backed off. Remember? I am a replacement.

Kratos - Seems to direct the flow but never finish out his cases.

First you say "cases" I've presented the one case on PMC and while I may have directed the flow on that why would I finish out a case that was then adequately defended and I now believe the player is town... I'm not going to continue to push for a lynch of someone who I don't believe to be scum that's just stupid. I know maybe if I had said somewhere that PMC's response was good enough for me and that I no longer wanted to vote for him. Then we wouldn't have this confusion I bet.

Alright. PMC, your response has satisfied me so my vote will be remaining off of you for now.

Oh wait I did say that. Hmm... Why are we having this confusion then? Either you've been really skimming or you're trying to attack the people who have been talking about clever as seeming scummy. aka SW and I

Oh, but wait. I could have sworn that my case was that you seemed to be directing the flow from switching the case from zimmah to PMC. oh, whats that? You have it quoted above? I will highlight in in green. Thank you for that.

Clever jumps all over the board with activity. Some games, he is inactive. Others, he is half active, half inactive. Most, he attempts to make the cases and figure out everything as he goes, and does relatively okay. In this case, I think he is trying to give little imput. Maybe either because he doesnt think the cases given are good ones, maybe because he is scum. He is not on the top of my list of potential scum.

This is just to further my point about you protecting clever. Here you're trying to sort of protect by saying he's not high on your list of potential scum/you don't think he's acting to scummy yet you also say that maybe he's acting the way he his because he is scum to kind of cover your tracks. I find this quite scummy in itself but unfortunately it is built around clever being scum so he would have to first be lynched to figure things out but if he does come up scum at some point you're my first target for a case.

Twisting my words again? Very much so. I did in fact say that he may or may not be scum. But I believe I also said that in some games he is hyper active, and in some inactive. Oh, I did. Here, I will highlight in cyan.

Anyway I must be going for now as I have to work. When I get off work tonight I'll work on putting together a case on S7C so we can get things rolling.

Where much enjoy work! You sure did work hard building that case against yourself!

Zimmah is a potential scum. I do not like how he handled the day 1 random pressure, and think his case could have waited for a little more evidence.

interesting timing for your 'case' on me.

That all you have to say zimmah?

If thats the case, then all I gots to say is..Indeed.

Not going to bother quoting loot. I will just respond.

When you flip mafia? I sit back and make sure I catch the rest of your scum buddies.
When you flip town? I sit there and prepare to defend myself from what will surely be a brigade of votes on me D2, so that I can explain myself.

Yeah I understand the policy of day one lynches. Day one lynches can yield so much information. The best I can do in this position is deflect to another player and be accused of deflecting to further dig my grave.
Most of my read-up was on my past-self, the cases I had built were destroyed by later posts. So I'm still sifting through to get some goodens.

I think Ghostly should agree to be lynched if I flip town... if you're so sure why don't you put your life on the line!
Yes yes I understand you don't 100 percent know. But lets make this interesting shall we.

Decided to quote because this is so interesting. Let me break it down point by point.
1. You understand the policy of day 1 lynches. This sentence will come back to haunt you shortly.
2. Deflecting would most certainly dig your grave further. But there was a second option you forgot to mention. Thats the option where you actually defend yourself and make it so that no townie is lynched, and no claims are given (if you can help it).
3. I should agree to be lynched if you flip town, putting my life on the line for the ultimate D1 lynch suspense drawer in the world. Why, if you were town, would you want someone leading a case (like a normal townie does when they are confident) to risk their own life to prove their point on day 1 which you clearly state you know I cannot be 100% sure about?

If I could vote you again, you better believe it would be there in a heart beat.

So, what have we learned today?

Zimmah can write some 1 liners in response to an entire case I built on 4-6 players.
Loot doesnt want to dig himself a deeper grave, though in my opinion he just did.
Kratos loves digging his own grave.
Strike Wolf is the only players I cannot go strongly against here until I get time to reread.
SG7 loves to joke around (go figure).
And Jonty can skim skim skim.

Questions, comments, concerns?

fasposted x5+

[LootenPlunder]

The thing is, I'm not defending myself. I'm defending a player who is no longer playing. Which is fruitless. I would much rather martyr and give out information to you fine chaps seeing as we are so close to the deadline.

We can dance around the fire until the deadline, but it's all rather moot. So lets finish this up so I can go out in a beautiful show of honor and compassion.

Also, to my little green friend, know that I love you. and wish you the best of luck in the wild. Please don't forget to visit mom every once a in while.

[pmchugh]

After nags "3 reasons comment" I posted a response which included this:

pmchugh wrote: It actually makes me considerably suspicious of nag, I would expect him to have much more sense. FOS nag

Nags own response to this was to in his own words do a "u-turn" on his opinion of me.

Again, what exactly did you accuse him of? Your post was a knee-jerk response to nag's demand of the 3 points. I'm suspicious of every single person playing the game (always), yet I haven't actually accused them of anything. Merely stating that you find somebody suspicious isn't an accusation.

Your highlighted passages, I'm afraid, don't justify your point. Nag asked a simple question, and you and others took it the wrong way and got super defensive, which caused him to suspect you. I don't see how that is unreasonable discourse. You ask questions; based on responses you have suspicions.

Wrong wrong WRONG! Stop caring so goddam much about semantics. Lemme break it down.

1. Nag does not suspect me.
2. Nag asks me a question.
3. I find that question scummy and place an FOS on him.
4. IB accuses nag of being scum because he asked that question.
5. Nag admits to a u-turn of opinion, saying that me and my henchmen (IB) have tried to turn the vote round on him. Me and IB earn FOS's.

Oh My God yoU Suck.

I'd like to see some quotes on this please. The only thing vaguely like this that I remember saying was along the lines of everyone else was voting/accusing but not really giving him statements he could reply to and/or deny.

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I said I was going against popular opinion.. that doesn't mean I was the only one. I never claimed to be anything special, I just said I disagreed with the majority.

If I'm so scummy in your eyes because of my lack of activity and my self-serving posts, then I don't know why you haven't voted for me. I can only surmise that, recognizing that you're in a tight spot, you don't want to be accused of omgus'ing.

This is not OMGUS and nor would it be if I voted for you, as you can see if you go back a few pages and review my list of targets where you clearly fell into the category of "Leaning mafia". I haven't voted you just yet as I am still weighing up my options, no townie is ever 100% sure and there are plenty of other candidates for lynching today.

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I have little regard for a list of scum potentials that might include me, especially one that is cursory and without much merit. You're entire point against me consisted of my activity, which wasn't isolated to this one game, but across the board.

I pointed out the list purely to show that my suspicions on you were cemented in this thread and that I would not worry about being accused of OMGUS. You suggested this is why I was not voting for you and I was dismissing that claim.

However the reasons I suspect you go beyond lack of activity. They also go on quality of posts; all your posts seemed to be attempts to go under the radar, until the moment you are accused at which point you panic and start posting. This can be seen by the vast increase in the quality of your posts in the last few pages.

FASTPOSTED several times. I find this exchange intriguing but don't buy the whole "one of us is mafia" attitude. @ CP what if ghostly is town? This could end in two townie lynches which would be catastrophic.

[ghostly447]

The thing is, I'm not defending myself. I'm defending a player who is no longer playing. Which is fruitless. I would much rather martyr and give out information to you fine chaps seeing as we are so close to the deadline.

We can dance around the fire until the deadline, but it's all rather moot. So lets finish this up so I can go out in a beautiful show of honor and compassion.

Also, to my little green friend, know that I love you. and wish you the best of luck in the wild. Please don't forget to visit mom every once a in while.

I realize you are representing Nag who left. But at the same time, you posts in reply to it all contradicted themselves. So therefore, I believe I now have a, I believe the term is, Case against you.

So, How about you keep contradicting yourself? Or suggesting more things that will benefit the town in no way, like, 2 for 0.

Sorry to be so harsh, but you also realize the dead line is near. I do not believe the PMC case is good, he has defended himself well. I want to get 1 more case in, and a strong one at that, and you and karatos just happen to be the two contenders.

[LootenPlunder]

Huh, I didn't see any contradictions. What was so contradictory?

[ghostly447]

Not going to bother quoting loot. I will just respond.

When you flip mafia? I sit back and make sure I catch the rest of your scum buddies.
When you flip town? I sit there and prepare to defend myself from what will surely be a brigade of votes on me D2, so that I can explain myself.

Yeah I understand the policy of day one lynches. Day one lynches can yield so much information. The best I can do in this position is deflect to another player and be accused of deflecting to further dig my grave.
Most of my read-up was on my past-self, the cases I had built were destroyed by later posts. So I'm still sifting through to get some goodens.

I think Ghostly should agree to be lynched if I flip town... if you're so sure why don't you put your life on the line!
Yes yes I understand you don't 100 percent know. But lets make this interesting shall we.

Decided to quote because this is so interesting. Let me break it down point by point.
1. You understand the policy of day 1 lynches. This sentence will come back to haunt you shortly.
2. Deflecting would most certainly dig your grave further. But there was a second option you forgot to mention. Thats the option where you actually defend yourself and make it so that no townie is lynched, and no claims are given (if you can help it).
3. I should agree to be lynched if you flip town, putting my life on the line for the ultimate D1 lynch suspense drawer in the world. Why, if you were town, would you want someone leading a case (like a normal townie does when they are confident) to risk their own life to prove their point on day 1 which you clearly state you know I cannot be 100% sure about?

If I could vote you again, you better believe it would be there in a heart beat.

So, what have we learned today?

Zimmah can write some 1 liners in response to an entire case I built on 4-6 players.
Loot doesnt want to dig himself a deeper grave, though in my opinion he just did.
Kratos loves digging his own grave.
Strike Wolf is the only players I cannot go strongly against here until I get time to reread.
SG7 loves to joke around (go figure).
And Jonty can skim skim skim.

Questions, comments, concerns?

fasposted x5+

Obviously I am the one that must be concerned. Lootenplunder, can you please read my 3 points again?

[LootenPlunder]

Oh wow I totally missed those the first time. Let's see.

Yep I don't see any contradictions. I see an opinion of my digging my own grave by not digging my grave, but I would hardly call that contradictory.

[ghostly447]

I am not going to bother explaining. Read it a few times and you will get what I say is contradictory. You dont need a dictionary definition of contradictory to get why I say your scummy, you are just buying time.

[LootenPlunder]

Nothing is contradictory. Just because I know how day one lynches work, doesn't mean I cant make a silly attempt to make day two fun now does it?

and what on earth am I buying time for? I have agreed to being lynched and I'm cool with it. I'm not saying don't lynch me. Everybody should totally lynch me!
(because the length of this day is extremely long to begin with)

[ghostly447]

Nothing is contradictory. Just because I know how day one lynches work, doesn't mean I cant make a silly attempt to make day two fun now does it?

and what on earth am I buying time for? I have agreed to being lynched and I'm cool with it. I'm not saying don't lynch me. Everybody should totally lynch me!
(because the length of this day is extremely long to begin with)

I am done arguing my points. If you arent going to give the effort to give more input other than "Lynch me", then I am not going to give more input saying "Lynch him".

The rest of the town can act on the 2-3 cases at hand.

[LootenPlunder]

It's about time!

[LootenPlunder]

(also you totally lost the contradictory argument way to not even address it. Point for me)

[ghostly447]

I even said you didnt need a dictionary definition. I was meaning that you seemed to want best for town in some parts, then went to scum, then town, then scum. I figured you would realize that after reading it a couple of times instead of being a smart ass about it and trying to go with the dictionary definition.

[LootenPlunder]

Oh wow. Now you're a liar too?

I thought I knew you so well, and you go back on your word and continue arguing your point.
Man.

[ghostly447]

Oh wow. Now you're a liar too?

I thought I knew you so well, and you go back on your word and continue arguing your point.
Man.

Thats what happens when a smart ass comes along and starts claiming that he one a point when clearly if they would just wise up for a couple minutes and get serious about a case against them, then they would try to at least defend themselves. Not go and claim victory just because they win in annoying the hell out of someone who is trying to make and build on a case to hopefully get scum lynched.

If you want to play this game I will play it until it gets to the point where people are voting me and black listing me. Because quite frankly, I play this game to build on my knowledge and I can relate mafia to real world. I do not come on here to meet a smart ass trying to make a joke out of everything just because he gets a case thrown at him.

[LootenPlunder]

Ladies and gentlemen, the true Ghostly447.

[LootenPlunder]

relating to the rea- nevermind I will just leave that alone.