Ok i wanted to point this out, the last words of nebudchanezer:
Nebuchadnezer wrote:And F%#@ all of you who call my case shit and are now voting Anarkistsdream. I don't know if any of you who are voting did call it crap, but it frustrates me that I put the best case of the day together and got laughed at for it. Yet, he will now get lynched, and I don't even get credit for the case...well, if he IS town, I guess I don't want credit.
I got on Superkeener, because I wanted another claim. Rolefishing? No. More like claim-fishing. I wanted something else to judge Anark and future claims by. Even if we get a PR, we should have plenty of power to protect him. I did buy into X-Stor's case that he was noncommittal and not adding anything while casting plenty of doubt all over.
I think Anark's fate has been sealed, so let's see what it brings...
Well that got me reading back of which i left my notes in the spoiler, its a shitload of text. dont bother reading if you dont want to, these are my brief notes, on which i am forming an opinion, but you can skip all the text and just read the outcome if you want to save 10 minutes of your life.
so who joined after him? and what where the reactions? page 24 onwards: my short summary of posts.
pancakemix basicly said: " but since your remaining case is largely based on him flip-flopping on claiming Badger, I don't know that it holds water." rishead dodged the case focused grammer/meaning technicalitys I am caffeine: "i Believe Nark is townsided superkeener basicly says: i think he is Saul, maybe badger, maybe skiny pete, maybe a combo (my personal short version of his post) xstorx says all should vote before monday medsfanmax says: ok i vote you. rishead votes medsfanmax because of his "snippy comment" xstor x makes a case changing to superkeener pancakemix "votes"virus (deliberately does not unvote jokevote = voting in my opinion) IB votes superkeener virus votes superkeener nebudchanazer changes vote to superkeener metsfanmax: xstorx case is awfull betiko: "this superkeener wageon is quitte funny" rodion: believes nark is town (page 26 by now) rugbirn: votes anarkistdream iamcaffeine: the wagon on superkeener is funny
vote count at that point: Superkeener (4) x-stor, iron butterfly, virus, neb Anarchist (3) betiko, Jonty125, rugbirn
superkeener: i believe nark is town, votes IB betiko: on the superkeener wagon "i find the wagon terribly oportunistic and probably scummy." mob deadly: vote Anarkist mod deadly makes a list with scummy / good people (page 27) - me and anarkist scummy, rugbirn somewhat. mod deadly points out not liking superkeener bandwagon cooldeals - votes anarkist iamcaffeine: vote IB anarkist point out we are wasting time quoting eachothers refernces as agreeing to it. with the 2 bandwagons (page 28) jonty: my vote stays anarkist anarkist: vote jonty metsfanmax: I plan to push on IB pretty hard for his scummy bandwagoning onto the superkeener case xstorx votes virus (me) TFO vote IB
rishead votes anarkist pancakemix: i still think virus is a far better choice for a lynch, points out rugbirn is also scummy mob deadly: stresses why he votes anarkist xstorx point out gregwolf lurking but not saying anything metsfanmax and xstorx discuss mets opinion of superkeener wagon scummy
how the hell did they get our doc N1... plane luck i guess? and luckily a goon gone, but im afraid he only got killed by another thread to town. or some pro-town role took a huge risk, but i dont believe that. @jonty, soft claiming you have something to do with meth?
@ betiko: maybe we got a maffia goon with some ability's? depending on the size of the maffia. @metsfanmax: who cares if skyler is accountant in the series.... not to insult you but a useless post in my opinion... [off topic] @x....x: i like your vote count colour thing:) [off topic]
my opinion: why was nebud targeted ? was it because he was voting superkeener? i was suspicious of superkeener, did not get much better yet... just after the votecount where he was in the lead he voted IB, got some people with him. But before that time IB was already voting on him, so not best one to point finger at. the whole saul/badger/third guy thing is weird to me.. i just dont get it... but in the end he did not join the anarkist vote, he said he thought he was town.. he is one of my possibles..
Rugbirn: another possible... was on the anarkist wagon, late (after nebud removed his vote if im not misstaken) has not said much (even less then i did probably, i guess thats kind of a achievement if i have to believe all of you calling me suspicious) could be not even reading this threat carefully... i just dont know...
rishead... well he basicly said nothing with a opinion, just smalltalk, then came late in the voting party with a vote on mets, quickly withdrew, then voted anarkist i dont get why, he could have voted him when he voted mets, but only did so very late. He deserves my vote for now: Vote rishead
oh and to those seeing me around: i am, i try to read few times a day to keep up to date, but since i like to reread big parts to form opinions, and post huge posts like this, i am not always posting when im reading.
cooldeals wrote:I say we give it 24 hours or until everyone checks in before we pressure someone. Betiko sounds like he feels strongly about Caffeine. If we have no other leads I think him as well as some of the other cases make sense to pursue. Hopefully greg is caught up and can post today.
I just don't want to get ahead of ourselves when there's a potential posts by other players we wouldn't want to ignore.
My exact thoughts as well. Let people post any leads if they got em. I will read the case on caffeine tonight or tomorrow. I would like gregwolf to chime in as well before we move forward with anything serious.
sorry apparently you cannot put spoilers into spoilers, or i did something wrong, i wanted a lot of that to be in the spoiler to make it easier to read.... since editing is not allowed you will have to do it with my apologies for failing
I believe Neb got busted as a result of Anark's last post when he warned Neb to watch out. Mafia knew Anark was VT as he claimed, and got Anark to finger another townie in Neb. As for the NK, I think we have a Vig that knows allot more than he's saying right now. I'm surprised that X-stor didn't get wacked N1 based on all his actions - so I think that there is also some 3rd party town protection. Thinking as mafia, I'd want X-stor eliminated ASAP so that the game wouldn't have a focal point, and be more in chaos.
Rugbirn wrote:I believe Neb got busted as a result of Anark's last post when he warned Neb to watch out. Mafia knew Anark was VT as he claimed, and got Anark to finger another townie in Neb. As for the NK, I think we have a Vig that knows allot more than he's saying right now. I'm surprised that X-stor didn't get wacked N1 based on all his actions - so I think that there is also some 3rd party town protection. Thinking as mafia, I'd want X-stor eliminated ASAP so that the game wouldn't have a focal point, and be more in chaos.
Anarch would have no idea of Nebs role or alignment.
So because X-stor-X is still alive you believe their is third party protection? Could you please explain your theory in greater detail?
Rugbirn wrote:I believe Neb got busted as a result of Anark's last post when he warned Neb to watch out. Mafia knew Anark was VT as he claimed, and got Anark to finger another townie in Neb. As for the NK, I think we have a Vig that knows allot more than he's saying right now. I'm surprised that X-stor didn't get wacked N1 based on all his actions - so I think that there is also some 3rd party town protection. Thinking as mafia, I'd want X-stor eliminated ASAP so that the game wouldn't have a focal point, and be more in chaos.
Sorry, just came in quickly and didn t have time to give virus s post the attention it deserves yet. Just got flabbergasted by rugbirn s reads. I promise a more serious post later!
All I'm saying is that 3rd party roles (which I think most/all of us believe there to be in this game) can take on all kinds of forms. These roles could be anything someone thinks up. If Anark had no idea of Neb's role, then how do you explain his last message specifically to Neb (as opposed to townies in general)?
Rugbirn wrote:All I'm saying is that 3rd party roles (which I think most/all of us believe there to be in this game) can take on all kinds of forms. These roles could be anything someone thinks up. If Anark had no idea of Neb's role, then how do you explain his last message specifically to Neb (as opposed to townies in general)?
No...my question is how to YOU explain it? Anarchist was a Vanilla Townie. Period.
IB, I gave you my theory: "Mafia knew Anark was VT as he claimed, and got Anark to finger another townie in Neb". Now. what's your theory for why Anark specifically fingered Neb?
I do know this as fact. With 10 days to go, 15 left, and assuming 4 scum still out there, that leaves 8 out of 11 that need to agree on the next lynch. Can we get 8 to agree on a lynch? Possibly, but it is going to take more evidence than we have now. The shock to me on N1 was how PCM went down. The only answer is that he was wrongly assumed to be town. So it seems to me that both sides made a mistake on D/N 1.
X-Stor-X wrote:SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.
That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?
I don't see why anything that happened since makes the wagon oportunistic at the time. there was nothing in that case in my opinion. It's like if i start a case out of your post just there building whatever theory out of it. I'm not saying super is town; I'm just saying that the case was made up from thin air, there was nothing and a wagon formed very quickly. too quickly in my opinion. But I didn't really manage to pull out any conclusion from the people wo formed that wagon to tell the truth.
Regarding caf, if I understood corectly he is softclaiming 3rd party... you guys understood the same right?
iAmCaffeine wrote:Okay, I've just about managed to catch up.
Please betty, you need to stop exaggerating so much. I was not totally convinced on who was town, as you said, but I had a couple of townreads. Notice the bold? That is a read, not a statement declaring I am convinced that they're town. I still townread you, since you've chosen someone you have a gut feeling against and you're pushing them; in this case that's me but I don't have a problem with that.
I can assure you (although it will mean little) that I am far from a threat to town. Considering main characters in the programme, I imagine the mafia faction(s) will be rather small. After seeing the dead roles I doubt there is a second mafia faction, but we could expect third party players. Given the expected size of the scum squad, it would be an extremely high risk move for pancakemix to try and buss someone on d1.
I'm intrigued as to how he died though, and why. I, as others have also said, couldn't really see a good reason to suspect him. Although I completely condone those actions!
If people want a full claim then I will provide one, but I think it is too early.
I don't know, I have a third party vibe from his post. "I am far from a threat to town" is what a third party would say. I would tend to believe he's telling the truth as he's taking a risk to admit he isn't exactly town...
Rugbirn wrote:IB, I gave you my theory: "Mafia knew Anark was VT as he claimed, and got Anark to finger another townie in Neb". Now. what's your theory for why Anark specifically fingered Neb?
I do know this as fact. With 10 days to go, 15 left, and assuming 4 scum still out there, that leaves 8 out of 11 that need to agree on the next lynch. Can we get 8 to agree on a lynch? Possibly, but it is going to take more evidence than we have now. The shock to me on N1 was how PCM went down. The only answer is that he was wrongly assumed to be town. So it seems to me that both sides made a mistake on D/N 1.
You need to understand how roles and alighnments work before you start stating your opinions as fact.
X-Stor-X wrote:SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.
That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?
I don't see why anything that happened since makes the wagon oportunistic at the time. there was nothing in that case in my opinion. It's like if i start a case out of your post just there building whatever theory out of it. I'm not saying super is town; I'm just saying that the case was made up from thin air, there was nothing and a wagon formed very quickly. too quickly in my opinion. But I didn't really manage to pull out any conclusion from the people wo formed that wagon to tell the truth.
Regarding caf, if I understood corectly he is softclaiming 3rd party... you guys understood the same right?
strongly disagree out of thin air. And obviously a dead town doctor agreed with my "thin air post" again It matters because anark flipped town and neb flipped town. And i know I am town.
X-Stor-X wrote:SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.
That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?
I don't see why anything that happened since makes the wagon oportunistic at the time. there was nothing in that case in my opinion. It's like if i start a case out of your post just there building whatever theory out of it. I'm not saying super is town; I'm just saying that the case was made up from thin air, there was nothing and a wagon formed very quickly. too quickly in my opinion. But I didn't really manage to pull out any conclusion from the people wo formed that wagon to tell the truth.
Regarding caf, if I understood corectly he is softclaiming 3rd party... you guys understood the same right?
strongly disagree out of thin air. And obviously a dead town doctor agreed with my "thin air post" again It matters because anark flipped town and neb flipped town. And i know I am town.
so now the fact of being a proved town doctor means that any case he agreed on is valid? PCM had information, so you can speculate on what he saidif you want. Speculate on a VT or a doc's day 1 theories as if they knew something we don't is totally stupid.
Which was brought up in another thread before started this game.
what was this about by the way?
then this:
X-Stor-X wrote:SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.
That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?
then 10 minutes later you open a thread in the mafia discussion called "video mafia" where you write video mafia is fun. is there any relevance to this game?
Which was brought up in another thread before started this game.
what was this about by the way?
then this:
X-Stor-X wrote:SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.
That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?
then 10 minutes later you open a thread in the mafia discussion called "video mafia" where you write video mafia is fun. is there any relevance to this game?
Is this really necessary? Also, Rugbirn, with possibly multiple factions in the game, I am assuming that mafia were speculating as well, in part. Sure they knew he wasn't one of them, but he could have been many factions, to an opposing mafia faction. If its just straight town v. Mafia, then mafia know everyone who is town already, the only uncertainty is if they are PR/VT. Also not understanding the "mistake" part.... If Nark was a vengeful townie, he would have logically hit someone on his wagon.
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
Which was brought up in another thread before started this game.
what was this about by the way?
then this:
X-Stor-X wrote:SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.
That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?
then 10 minutes later you open a thread in the mafia discussion called "video mafia" where you write video mafia is fun. is there any relevance to this game?
game no, but i was asked about if i had played and where.
X-Stor-X wrote:SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.
That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?
I don't see why anything that happened since makes the wagon oportunistic at the time. there was nothing in that case in my opinion. It's like if i start a case out of your post just there building whatever theory out of it. I'm not saying super is town; I'm just saying that the case was made up from thin air, there was nothing and a wagon formed very quickly. too quickly in my opinion. But I didn't really manage to pull out any conclusion from the people wo formed that wagon to tell the truth.
Regarding caf, if I understood corectly he is softclaiming 3rd party... you guys understood the same right?
strongly disagree out of thin air. And obviously a dead town doctor agreed with my "thin air post" again It matters because anark flipped town and neb flipped town. And i know I am town.
so now the fact of being a proved town doctor means that any case he agreed on is valid? PCM had information, so you can speculate on what he saidif you want. Speculate on a VT or a doc's day 1 theories as if they knew something we don't is totally stupid.
I think PCM was in fact shot because of what he said about "theme" if we are dealing with 2 mafia factions.
Rugbirn wrote:IB, I gave you my theory: "Mafia knew Anark was VT as he claimed, and got Anark to finger another townie in Neb". Now. what's your theory for why Anark specifically fingered Neb?
I do know this as fact. With 10 days to go, 15 left, and assuming 4 scum still out there, that leaves 8 out of 11 that need to agree on the next lynch. Can we get 8 to agree on a lynch? Possibly, but it is going to take more evidence than we have now. The shock to me on N1 was how PCM went down. The only answer is that he was wrongly assumed to be town. So it seems to me that both sides made a mistake on D/N 1.
I don't even know what to think with you. You do realize Anark had NO clue if Neb was townie? All he could do was guess that he was a townie. The Mafia ALREADY know who "Isn't" mafia (Well, in their faction anyway, if there are 2). Anark was basically saying to the person who started/kept pushing the case on him "You are making a mistake".
And If there are 2 factions of mafia, they are probably trying to eliminate each other, so I doubt it was a "mistake". If it's an SK, he's just killing people and doesn't really care who. If it was a Town vigil, well, he's pretty stupid to shoot n1 (unless he's overeager, which could be a possibility).
Side note, Rishaed your post really dun fucked up the forum.
Game 1675072 2018-08-09 16:02:06 - Mageplunka69: its jamaica map and TFO that keep me on this site
Hello. My internet is back, so I should be able to participate sunday at the latest.
For now:
1 - Virus, you can make a EBWOP to fix your broken post (basically, you're making a new post with the content of your old one, but with proper formatting). 2 - Rishaed, same thing. 3 - Stor, "Worst Case Scenario", "Best Case Scenario" and "Paranoid Gun Owner" (a role that kills everyone who targets them with a night action). 4 - Also, Virus, if those are your notes, where are the "pluses and minuses" at?
Hi. Just letting everyone know. I was busy helping a friend move yesterday and also will be helping today. Tomorrow (Sunday) I will be able to give a better interpretation of my thoughts on N1 and the current D2 stance.
Rodion wrote:Hello. My internet is back, so I should be able to participate sunday at the latest.
For now:
1 - Virus, you can make a EBWOP to fix your broken post (basically, you're making a new post with the content of your old one, but with proper formatting). 2 - Rishaed, same thing. 3 - Stor, "Worst Case Scenario", "Best Case Scenario" and "Paranoid Gun Owner" (a role that kills everyone who targets them with a night action). 4 - Also, Virus, if those are your notes, where are the "pluses and minuses" at?
Not getting really involved with opinions are you? Day 2 now, will expect much more substance from you.
