[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[rishaed]

IB, I gave you my theory: "Mafia knew Anark was VT as he claimed, and got Anark to finger another townie in Neb". Now. what's your theory for why Anark specifically fingered Neb?

I do know this as fact. With 10 days to go, 15 left, and assuming 4 scum still out there, that leaves 8 out of 11 that need to agree on the next lynch. Can we get 8 to agree on a lynch? Possibly, but it is going to take more evidence than we have now. The shock to me on N1 was how PCM went down. The only answer is that he was wrongly assumed to be town. So it seems to me that both sides made a mistake on D/N 1.

I don't even know what to think with you. You do realize Anark had NO clue if Neb was townie? All he could do was guess that he was a townie. The Mafia ALREADY know who "Isn't" mafia (Well, in their faction anyway, if there are 2). Anark was basically saying to the person who started/kept pushing the case on him "You are making a mistake".

And If there are 2 factions of mafia, they are probably trying to eliminate each other, so I doubt it was a "mistake". If it's an SK, he's just killing people and doesn't really care who. If it was a Town vigil, well, he's pretty stupid to shoot n1 (unless he's overeager, which could be a possibility).

Side note, Rishaed your post really dun fucked up the forum.

I agree... dunno why something to do with virus's initial post i suspect/spoilers in spoilers in spoilers? I'll see what I can do:
BCS: Best Case Scenario
WCS: Worst Case Scenario
PGO; Paranoid Gun Owner
Also will try to fix post with an EBWOP, but if I can't I might take the problem part out (virus's Post) and have the rest as legible.

[rishaed]

so who joined after him? and what where the reactions? page 24 onwards: my short summary of posts.

pancakemix basicly said: " but since your remaining case is largely based on him flip-flopping on claiming Badger, I don't know that it holds water."
rishaed dodged the case focused grammer/meaning technicalitys
I am caffeine: "i Believe Nark is townsided
superkeener basicly says: i think he is Saul, maybe badger, maybe skiny pete, maybe a combo (my personal short version of his post)
xstorx says all should vote before monday
metsfanmax says: ok i vote you.
rishaed votes metsfanmax because of his comment on lynching the annoying one.
xstor x makes a case changing to superkeener
pancakemix "votes"virus (deliberately does not unvote jokevote = voting in my opinion)
IB votes superkeener
virus votes superkeener
nebudchanazer changes vote to superkeener
metsfanmax: xstorx case is awfull
betiko: "this superkeener wageon is quitte funny"
rodion: believes nark is town
(page 26 by now)
rugbirn: votes anarkistdream
iamcaffeine: the wagon on superkeener is funny

rishead...
well he basicly said nothing with a opinion, just smalltalk, then came late in the voting party with a vote on mets, quickly withdrew, then voted anarkist i dont get why, he could have voted him when he voted mets, but only did so very late.
He deserves my vote for now:
Vote rishead

oh and to those seeing me around: i am, i try to read few times a day to keep up to date, but since i like to reread big parts to form opinions, and post huge posts like this, i am not always posting when im reading.

I voted him because I wanted to ensure the lynch, sure I knew I was gonna take some heat for it, but my reasons for lynching stand as such:
WCS: VT
BCS: SCUM
Also, if you didn't notice, i stated VT claims get lynched 90% of the time, simply because they provide the most information. I admit that if there had been a different lynch option apart from no lynch, I might have voted differently, but we only got one claim D1. It was worth testing, and was worth getting information from. Also, I misread Nark's initial comment, but by the time that was cleared up decided that the benefits to town on lynching him were greater than going the no lynch route.
If you didn't notice I was still hoping to get a claim around the time i voted mets, I believe I already said that earlier in response to CoolDeals
*Fixed on voting mets.
I will state that if Rugbirn gets more disruptive my opinion on that might change, but its his first game/first time on CC forums it seems like so I can deal a bit of slack.
As for PCM I'm inclined to believe that delayed PGO wouldn't work, but it was random targeting (within a sense) by a third/fourth faction. Could be a strongman since it talkes about the person breaking down the door. I would think that it wasn't a vig, since many of us considered PCM to be town. As for X-Stor-X, I think that the kills avoided him because of the thought that he'd be too hot in the night. Losing Neb is bad, but I think that with a game of 18 there are bound to be more protective roles out there.
Virus some of the things in your summary make it sound like you are skimming to me, I always state my reason for voting when I vote.

Heres the easiest way to fix my post, remove everything not relevant and leave what I am responding to. If you feel thats scummy that I deleted the VC's in virus's post, fine. Its just that with the huge wall of text, combing through it to find the errors would be strenuous and a waste of time when I can do this.

[jonty125]

the first jokevote on himself to be present and absent at the same time,

I know you voted caf for this amongst other things betiko, but seriously, you call voting for yourself in the jokevote stage, scummy to some degree. Care to elaborate more, you could be right, and I could be on meth, but still elaborate,

[betiko]

the first jokevote on himself to be present and absent at the same time,

I know you voted caf for this amongst other things betiko, but seriously, you call voting for yourself in the jokevote stage, scummy to some degree. Care to elaborate more, you could be right, and I could be on meth, but still elaborate,

It's nothing by itself, it's just with the other clues. basically, it can be interpreted as someone participating in the jokevotes (active) but at the same time not bringing any fuss towards him to avoid the typical jokevote OMGUS. No one comented my new read on him being third party after his reply, that I would tend to judge as honest, and preparing us to anounce a third party role. I don't think third parties are a bad thing, but it's probably harmless to ask for a claim to understand some mechanics.

[jonty125]

I don't think third parties are a bad thing, but it's probably harmless to ask for a claim to understand some mechanics.

Third parties aren't inherently evil, but without a role that helps town, they'll be lynched, due to their wavering loyalties. And I don't think IamCaffeine was softclaiming 3rd party, that's generally not a good thing to do if you want to live.

[iAmCaffeine]

I don't think third parties are a bad thing, but it's probably harmless to ask for a claim to understand some mechanics.

Third parties aren't inherently evil, but without a role that helps town, they'll be lynched, due to their wavering loyalties. And I don't think IamCaffeine was softclaiming 3rd party, that's generally not a good thing to do if you want to live.

Although he can't spell my handle, he is correct.

There are still a few players we haven't heard from yet. I'd like them to voice up before going further.

[cooldeals]

It's been about a full day since the scene. I know we have a few yet to hear from but they may post in the next 24 hours but I'm convinced no one has a smoking one or they would have come out by now. I still would love to hear from everyone.

I think PCM's post saying he thinks Caff is scummy plus Caff's earlier non-commital play on D1 makes me think he is the one to pressure today. He has ignored Betiko's question about whether he is soft-claiming 3rd party too.

vote iAmCaffeine

Plus I personally am reading Betiko as town ( I know several of you say he always seems townie) but the way he has approached Day 2 makes me think we should be following him on this lead on Caff.

[TheForgivenOne]

It's been about a full day since the scene. I know we have a few yet to hear from but they may post in the next 24 hours but I'm convinced no one has a smoking one or they would have come out by now. I still would love to hear from everyone.

I think PCM's post saying he thinks Caff is scummy plus Caff's earlier non-commital play on D1 makes me think he is the one to pressure today. He has ignored Betiko's question about whether he is soft-claiming 3rd party too.

vote iAmCaffeine

Plus I personally am reading Betiko as town ( I know several of you say he always seems townie) but the way he has approached Day 2 makes me think we should be following him on this lead on Caff.

Actually, based on Caffeine's last post, I think he admitted to softclaiming a third party.

Vote: iAmCaffeine If you're going to soft claim third party, you may as well as tell us what/who you are.

[StorrZerg]

cool ill update the biggest inactive
aka no post towards the game

Vote Gregwolf121

[cooldeals]

Actually, based on Caffeine's last post, I think he admitted to softclaiming a third party.

Vote: iAmCaffeine If you're going to soft claim third party, you may as well as tell us what/who you are.

Oops I missed that. Want sure what he was agreeing with. I definitely agree with you. If you claim 3rd party better claim the whole thing.

[gregwolf121]

okay i'm finally all caught up, yes it took longer than i thought it would, but to be honest day 1 was a bit confusing so i had to go back and reread several parts of it, i usually find that games have a certain flow that makes them easier to follow, day 1 though was very choppy and had lots of different tangents, mostly from x-stor, good job keeping the discussion going though, umm as for my reads i'm still formulating most of my opinions, meaning that i try not to form lasting impressions of players from one or two posts,
now from the players who are left alive
x-stor-x stood out the most too me, mostly cause i've never played with him before and his playstyle is completely different than what i'm used to seeing on this forum, and in reply to his numerous times asking about me, i was rereading and figuring out what i could from the game.
ummm most of the other players seem to be playing the same as always, the only deviations that i can remember, rodion was a bit quieter than i remember him being but it was said that he usually was on D1, virus not quite sure his posting seems different from how he posted in other games, i need to recheck this at sometime,
as for the NK's umm i've never watched this show so i'm not familiar with the flavor, but i think we have either two scum groups , or a scum group and a SK, i would suggest a vig but most players with a vig role don't kill on N1, not sure why neb was targeted, but as for pancake i think it was mostly because he is an experienced player and who ever killed him didn't want to deal with him later.
i think thats everything i wanted to say so...

[virus90]

well xstorx you got your result, gregwolf posts. so if add another you come with more information greg ?

[virus90]

in other words (sorry for the double post), maybe i was to sarcastic to get my point made.
Greg you have been rereading and all you come up with is this?
"xstorx i dont know because i havent played with him
and virus - well i dont know, maybe its different from usual?"
and then some speculation about the setup...
thats all ? ....

[StorrZerg]

Yep as virus said... ...

[gregwolf121]

sorry were you expecting me to be able to give you the names and roles of all those left alive? i'm not that good.

[StorrZerg]

nope i was expecting you to give reads on if you think X person is Town or Y person is Scum and Why. What did they do that you liked, what did Y person do that you didn't like? Why does what Y person do make you think they are mafia?

You said a little about me but did not actually say what you think i am. I am new, i am different, my play style is weird. How ever you did not comment if you think i am Scum or if i am Town. (hint im town)

[gregwolf121]

no i didn't say whether i thought people were town or not, mostly because i still don't know, most of those i've played with before seem to be playing normally, meaning i think they are town but i'm not sure, the ones that were different i pointed out what seemed different, do i think those differences make them scum, not at this time, i will continue to observe and to look into their actions and respond accordingly, there are several players in this game who i've never played with, such as yourself, i don't have a good read on any of them, because i don't have enough prior knowledge.

[StorrZerg]

do you understand how much of a cop out that is?

If everyone said that about everyone else we would get no where....

I have a scummy read on you. Partly because of the person you replaced. And now that you have come into the game, imo you have had plenty of time to do something. This game involves LYNCHING someone during the day, to not have an opinion on the matter at hand is baffling.

btw not opposed to the caffeine crap. Seems kinda weird tbh.

[gregwolf121]

yes in order for the game to progress we must lynch someone, but we should try to find scum, not just lynch whomever, i'm not going to vote until i believe some one is scum. as to my opinion on the matter at hand well my first posts here were a general summary of my thoughts on the game as a whole, i decided to spend a bit more time looking back at the current cases before adding to them, i usually find it helpful to read the case then go do something else as i think on it, but if i remember right the case is that some believe that caffeine soft claimed third party, but in the quote below i take caffeine's statement to mean that he didn't claim third party, and caffeine said he will say more later, i want to wait and see what he has to say.

I don't think third parties are a bad thing, but it's probably harmless to ask for a claim to understand some mechanics.

Third parties aren't inherently evil, but without a role that helps town, they'll be lynched, due to their wavering loyalties. And I don't think IamCaffeine was softclaiming 3rd party, that's generally not a good thing to do if you want to live.

Although he can't spell my handle, he is correct.

There are still a few players we haven't heard from yet. I'd like them to voice up before going further.

[superkeener]

(I am writing this in real time as I read through D2 dialogue, so bear with me if I touch on something that has already been addressed or my opinions changes throughout this post. I will try my best to edit it for a smooth flowing read.)

N1 Actions Thoughts.
Neb, The Doc was killed. Lucky mafia hit if you ask me. Plain and simple.
Pancake being Mafia. Lucky (2nd) Mafia Faction hit or SK role. Not so plain and simple. However, I think it had to be a luck for who/whatever ordered the kill.

D2 Dialogue Thoughts.

Caf is the first to be brought up into question. Not for sure how I feel about him yet. I do believe it is too early in the day to request a claim. However, I am inclined to see something in this wagon.

X-stor’s Vote post. Good information listed, but finding out where the scum are lurking could be tricky with such a spread out vote. However what stood out to me i: x-stor has been very “aggressive” in almost all fronts and issues in this game. However, when the caffeine wagon gets a little steam (perhaps the biggest D2 play as of yet), all we get from the thread’s leading poster is:

btw not opposed to the caffeine crap. Seems kinda weird tbh.

I would just expect a lot more from x-stor on this, since he has been very vocal in basically everything else. He quickly disregards the caff wagon and just dives straight back into greg.

Gregwolf now has had enough time to post. I will not hold him accountable for a “Lack” of D1 posts. D2 is now upon us and he has started posting. Nothing really substantial yet.

I do not like virus’s vote on rishead. I feel it to be too early in D2 to be justified. It seems like he is just trying to throw his vote somewhere, just for the sake of voting. (Rishead’s response was all confusing to read because of the format of his post, still would like a clarification on it)

IB still has my FoS lingering from D1. Not warranted of a D2 vote atm.

So here is my "questionable" reads in order from highest to lowest.
IB, Virus, caff, x-stor

[betiko]

Caff is being enigmatic to say the least and I'm looking forward to read more from him. I don't really like the fact that we are giving him too much time to make up a story if ever he's doing that. xstor is barely interested in that case..
Personally, if he turns out third party I would believe him, and I would go scumhunt elsewhere. The third parties are very probably a lot in this game, and lynching third parties just like that will send the wrong message for a possible town-third party alliance. So I'd rather get this sorted as soon as possible today so we can moveon to another case; caff probably has some good flavour mechanics information to share.
But yeah, from other games I feel like you always have to push greg to post and when he does he takes the less risks possible with just very vague positions and promises of more to come later. so I really don't mind if xstor is on his ass like that..

And yeah... the virus-rishaed thing.... huuuuuge posts there, basically a lot of quoting but not sure I find any acusation there convincing. What do you guys think of it?

[rishaed]

Caff is being enigmatic to say the least and I'm looking forward to read more from him. I don't really like the fact that we are giving him too much time to make up a story if ever he's doing that. xstor is barely interested in that case..
Personally, if he turns out third party I would believe him, and I would go scumhunt elsewhere. The third parties are very probably a lot in this game, and lynching third parties just like that will send the wrong message for a possible town-third party alliance. So I'd rather get this sorted as soon as possible today so we can moveon to another case; caff probably has some good flavour mechanics information to share.
But yeah, from other games I feel like you always have to push greg to post and when he does he takes the less risks possible with just very vague positions and promises of more to come later. so I really don't mind if xstor is on his ass like that..

And yeah... the virus-rishaed thing.... huuuuuge posts there, basically a lot of quoting but not sure I find any acusation there convincing. What do you guys think of it?

First off, I wasn't accusing Virus, just defending myself, Also look for my last post, it shortened things on my part.
Obviously I think Virus has good intentions, but needs to look somewhere else .
Also agree on greg, unfortunately his META is lack of many posts, but also seemingly to scummarine..... not really helpful on either front. That being said where are the rest of our 15, I've seen a few of us recently, but got a nagging feel that a good 6/7 are out there rarely posting like they should be.

[StorrZerg]

@Super you put down some fos on myself for not hammering onto iamcaffine. Care to dive a little deeper in that thought.

[StorrZerg]

Caff is being enigmatic to say the least and I'm looking forward to read more from him. I don't really like the fact that we are giving him too much time to make up a story if ever he's doing that. xstor is barely interested in that case..
Personally, if he turns out third party I would believe him, and I would go scumhunt elsewhere. The third parties are very probably a lot in this game, and lynching third parties just like that will send the wrong message for a possible town-third party alliance. So I'd rather get this sorted as soon as possible today so we can moveon to another case; caff probably has some good flavour mechanics information to share.
But yeah, from other games I feel like you always have to push greg to post and when he does he takes the less risks possible with just very vague positions and promises of more to come later. so I really don't mind if xstor is on his ass like that..

And yeah... the virus-rishaed thing.... huuuuuge posts there, basically a lot of quoting but not sure I find any acusation there convincing. What do you guys think of it?

We are really not "giving him time" and it appears that he will claim. SO rather than waste time and devote all my effort on caff when he all ready has pressure, im going to be looking at other people.

Personally im finding virus play something i can get behind in terms of reading him. cant say i care to much for the "long winded rehash convos" but he does appear to be scum hunting and pushing his reads out. Much better than day 1.

[strike wolf]

Official vote count

iAmCaffeine (2)-betiko, Cooldeals
Rishaed (1)-Virus90
Gregwolf121 (1)-X-Stor-x

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is Monday, March 17th.