The Thing TOWN WINS!

[SoN!c]

Actually nobody fully agreed to that plan, except you, Sonic.
I actually said it was a good idea, if the reasoning behind the vote made sense. This clearly does not.

...and don't take my word for it.
Please, re-read everything Ragian actually had to say about me. It's all just flavor-hating and personal dislike, as far as I can see.

Best to name BT and lynch targets D3 too if you want. Without it the game is lost

And then here you go, piling it on deeper, still pushing your idea to pre-select all the BTs and lynches for the whole game.
Are you signing on for that too, Ragian? Have you got any names ready to add to Sonic's list? I mean, 'your' list.

What else can I say except... Lynch Sonic.

Yes pre-select the names but not for the wole game. Just for D3. Do the math. No way we can survive D3 without pre-designated names. We need those names to win.

You going for me the entire time that headstrong is just the same as Ragian going for you. You say you can't understand Ragian going for you but i can't understand you going for me that way.

[Extreme Ways]

Great job Ragian, you've taken your dumb vendetta against me all the way to a lynch vote...
...and look who is the first person to jump on your bandwagon...Sonic!!!

Hopefully you're feeling a little embarassed right now.

Man, you and EW seem to defend each other like crazy.

Votanic: it was agreed we would follow the BT one if he tested negative

I have plenty qualms with Votanic's posts, but a large part of Rag vs Votanic feels personal and not game-related to me. Feel free to pair me with Votanic for today though, just remember that tomorrow everything changes again.

I still much prefer a Traf lynch. Or heck, a Sonic lynch. Guess who's laughing on the sidelines?

[SoN!c]

Great job Ragian, you've taken your dumb vendetta against me all the way to a lynch vote...
...and look who is the first person to jump on your bandwagon...Sonic!!!

Hopefully you're feeling a little embarassed right now.

Man, you and EW seem to defend each other like crazy.

Votanic: it was agreed we would follow the BT one if he tested negative

I have plenty qualms with Votanic's posts, but a large part of Rag vs Votanic feels personal and not game-related to me. Feel free to pair me with Votanic for today though, just remember that tomorrow everything changes again.

I still much prefer a Traf lynch. Or heck, a Sonic lynch. Guess who's laughing on the sidelines?

Not me. And tomorrow we are dead if the lynch is not on The Thing today, because just like the BT on Traf: i don't see the predesignated names happening either. Not even when they do get posted. They won't be followed just like today we are not following Ragian after his BT. .

Happy it's Ragian who can decide the last town lynch.

[Charle]

I must say, I am not sure if the vote against Votanic was not personal? I really would like to hear what Deg, Traf and Strike has to say, they are very quiet.

[Ragian]

Scummy to chummy (in case reading previous posts is too much of a hassle):

Votanic
Son!c
Extreme
Traf/swang/charle
dega
Strike
Ragian

Now, why don't you get off this piggyback and give us your own reads?

[degaston]

I don't know why people are so interested in my reads - no one wanted to follow my lead when I was confirmed town.

FWIW, I'll vote with Ragian if he's sure that's what he really wants.
But my preference hasn't changed. I'd rather vote for Sonic. I don't have a strong read on anyone, and don't have time to re-read the whole thread, but his play style has seemed manipulative from the start.

[SoN!c]

Scummy to chummy (in case reading previous posts is too much of a hassle):

Votanic
Son!c
Extreme
Traf/swang/charle
dega
Strike
Ragian

Now, why don't you get off this piggyback and give us your own reads?

More then happy to.

Traf is the Thing. He is silent like hell after his emotional lash out and has been on the defensive since day one. Sheeping behind Deg and saying that he deliberately stayed away from the wagon on Ragian because others suspected him. It's all so unlike Traf; he is calculated and now he did not even intervene once...

If that does not says it all then i don't know what will. Traf knows D3 is theoretical and we need to find the Thing on D2. And he wants to win any game he plays. He can't stand losing.

And not once he participated in any BT or actual real search?? Do you guys really believe this? Not one vote from Traf all game long. Not one search. Nothing

Then the 40:
Charle and Swang coasting along. And Deg and Ragian BT negative. That is my 40%

That leaves 30% unaccounted for:

EW: zigzagging all over the place. Could be but i don't see him as The (original) Thing. He would not be zigzagging like he is doing all game long (even on D1). But i don't know for sure. Well played if he his.

Votanic: Don't think so. Recruited yes; that would explain a lot. But not The Thing.

Strike : way too silent but so was Deg. So again don't think so.


It's Traf

[SoN!c]

I don't know why people are so interested in my reads - no one wanted to follow my lead when I was confirmed town.

FWIW, I'll vote with Ragian if he's sure that's what he really wants.
But my preference hasn't changed. I'd rather vote for Sonic. I don't have a strong read on anyone, and don't have time to re-read the whole thread, but his play style has seemed manipulative from the start.

Do you really think the Thing would risk it all by manipulating everybody? The more you post the more you get suspected..? Well thanks all for thinking i could pull someThing like that off.

It was presenting a plan to get united. I said BT Traf D2, and you can lynch me if im wrong. What more do you want? Do you think the Thing would say "lynch me if im wrong"?

You probably would i suppose but then you just do it.. BT one and lynch the other. That is what you needed to do in that case.

[swang918]

Scummy to chummy (in case reading previous posts is too much of a hassle):

Votanic
Son!c
Extreme
Traf/swang/charle
dega
Strike
Ragian

Now, why don't you get off this piggyback and give us your own reads?

Still no reasoning from Ragian on votanic being #1 choice.
I think sonic is playing pretty similar to last game.
so its between trafalgar and extreme for me. between the two I think Traf is more different from last game.

VOTE TRAFALGAR

[degaston]

It was presenting a plan to get united. I said BT Traf D2, and you can lynch me if im wrong. What more do you want? Do you think the Thing would say "lynch me if im wrong"?

If you're so sure about Traf, why are you voting to lynch Votan?

[SoN!c]

It was presenting a plan to get united. I said BT Traf D2, and you can lynch me if im wrong. What more do you want? Do you think the Thing would say "lynch me if im wrong"?

If you're so sure about Traf, why are you voting to lynch Votan?

Because we agreed to follow Ragian if his BT was negative.

And watch that cartoon: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=embed_video&v=1022107378485895

Happy ending for town

[strike wolf]

My read right now is that I don't believe Votanic is The Thing. He could have been recruited N1 but he seemed genuinely interesting in figuring out how the game worked D1 and asking questions and while I think his methods haven't been great, that shouldn't be surprising for someone who hasn't played mafia before. So I think Votanic is either town or the recruit target. I'll vote with Ragian if it comes down to it but I don't see any reason to rush the lynch through at the moment and still want to reread a couple more players day 1 before I post my reads on Traf, EW and others.

[Ragian]

Scummy to chummy (in case reading previous posts is too much of a hassle):

Votanic
Son!c
Extreme
Traf/swang/charle
dega
Strike
Ragian

Now, why don't you get off this piggyback and give us your own reads?

Still no reasoning from Ragian on votanic being #1 choice.
I think sonic is playing pretty similar to last game.
so its between trafalgar and extreme for me. between the two I think Traf is more different from last game.

VOTE TRAFALGAR

I know your MO is coasting along, but at some point you will have to read the posts.

[Votanic]

Scummy to chummy (in case reading previous posts is too much of a hassle):

Votanic
Son!c
Extreme
Traf/swang/charle
dega
Strike
Ragian

Now, why don't you get off this piggyback and give us your own reads?

Still no reasoning from Ragian on votanic being #1 choice.
I think sonic is playing pretty similar to last game.
so its between trafalgar and extreme for me. between the two I think Traf is more different from last game.

VOTE TRAFALGAR

I know your MO is coasting along, but at some point you will have to read the posts.

Yes, indeed. By all means, do your own independent research on this... because this is beyond 'fake' news. It's more like non-news.

[strike wolf]

I feel like Deg or Votanic were the Recruit choice. Deg has been exceptionally quiet and I find his reasoning for staying quiet kind of flimsy. Votanic is acting in a way to me seems consistent from someone who might have been recruited. He seems to have gone out of his way at a couple points today to draw attention to himself and he voted to BT Ragian despite knowing that Ragian planned to push him as his lynch choice. I don't think the recruiter ever does this and would instead find reason not to BT ragian. Town is less likely to do this as they'll want to still want to live even if their life isn't as directly connected to the result. Cult recruit is the most likely to do this as they can essentially help the recruiter by pushing a lot of attention on themselves and making it easier for the recruiter to blend in and while it's not great to lose a recruit. They are essentially replaceable. If Deg was the cult recruit, pretty much anyone could be the recruiter. Who would recruit Vot?

Traf: I don't think the emotional outburst came out of nowhere because there was signs he was getting quite annoyed with Son!c late in the Tick game and it boiled over here. What I'm more interested in is that hes been pretty much background noise or defending himself in most of his posts. I would expect town Traf to be more active scumhunting. Scum read: Mid certainty

EW: hes kind of the opposite for me. Hes been fairly assertive in a way I don't feel he was in the Tick Mafia. We also seem to think fairly alike and this is wifomy, as cult, I would try to play fairly aggressively a. to avoid getting called out for sitting back and b. Because I do feel fairly confident in my ability to direct town. EW having a similar playstyle to me, could aim for the same. There was also what I mentioned earlier about the contradiction in his Son!c vote and his day 1 opinions. That said, he's seemed more townie to me D2 and his explanation for the Son!c vote was pretty good. Scum read: Low certainly.

Swang-His olaystyle here feels similar to his play in The Tick Mafia where he was scum. He's remained active enough not to get called out on it but hasn't stood out too much on his own. His votes day 1 were also very wishywashy and non-committal. Scum read: Mid Certainty

Son!c: He's been very active and has seemed genuinely irritated by people not following at times. However, he's also pulled some stuff straight out of his ass (like stating that Votanic was hard defending EW in a post where Vot didn't even mention EW) and steering town can also be a scum tactic and he's done a lot of trying to steer town. At times he's even stalled the game despite his stated opinion being that there was some urgency to get to a consensus on a BT. Voting for himself and letting it get to L-1 doesn't 100% eliminate him as cult but would take a lot of nerves to do as cult leader. So how much of a gambler is Son!c? Scum read: Low to Mid Certainty.

[Votanic]

I feel like Deg or Votanic were the Recruit choice. Deg has been exceptionally quiet and I find his reasoning for staying quiet kind of flimsy. Votanic is acting in a way to me seems consistent from someone who might have been recruited. He seems to have gone out of his way at a couple points today to draw attention to himself and he voted to BT Ragian despite knowing that Ragian planned to push him as his lynch choice. I don't think the recruiter ever does this and would instead find reason not to BT ragian. Town is less likely to do this as they'll want to still want to live even if their life isn't as directly connected to the result. Cult recruit is the most likely to do this as they can essentially help the recruiter by pushing a lot of attention on themselves and making it easier for the recruiter to blend in and while it's not great to lose a recruit. They are essentially replaceable. If Deg was the cult recruit, pretty much anyone could be the recruiter. Who would recruit Vot?

No. I voted to BT Ragian because I wanted to know if he was either a Thing.. or else, was his bizarre flavor-complaining just his own personal damage.
There was a fair chance that he was town, but I didn't and still don't consider it at all suicidal... I figured he would have enough sense to realize he didn't have a case...
and if can't get over himself, then the rest of town would still see the obvious: He has no rationale for his vote other than I talked about the flavor of the game...?!
For now, I'm not too worried, ..but who knows, bandwagons can take on a life of their own.
If the rest of the town thinks I'm a better choice to lynch than Sonic (wow)... or some other third party... Well, then there goes another townie.

[Votanic]

If Deg was the cult recruit, pretty much anyone could be the recruiter. Who would recruit Vot?

Btw, this last line of yours (italics mine)...
Is that an insult disguised as a compliment, or a compliment disguised as an insult?
Either way, please accept my most cordial invitation for you to go #%$*€@ yourself.

[strike wolf]

If Deg was the cult recruit, pretty much anyone could be the recruiter. Who would recruit Vot?

Btw, this last line of yours (italics mine)...
Is that an insult disguised as a compliment, or a compliment disguised as an insult?
Either way, please accept my most cordial invitation for you to go #%$*€@ yourself.

It's a genuine question and one you shouldn't take so personally. Anyone might decide to recruit Dega since he's less likely to be a BT or lynch target D2. Not everyone would recruit a newer player and if you flip as the recruit then that info could help narrow down the recruiter. For instance, I don't think Traf would recruit you but I wouldn't put it past Son!c.

[Votanic]

If Deg was the cult recruit, pretty much anyone could be the recruiter. Who would recruit Vot?

Btw, this last line of yours (italics mine)...
Is that an insult disguised as a compliment, or a compliment disguised as an insult?
Either way, please accept my most cordial invitation for you to go #%$*€@ yourself.

It's a genuine question and one you shouldn't take so personally. Anyone might decide to recruit Dega since he's less likely to be a BT or lynch target D2. Not everyone would recruit a newer player and if you flip as the recruit then that info could help narrow down the recruiter. For instance, I don't think Traf would recruit you but I wouldn't put it past Son!c.

Of course, of course, and my invitation wasn't personal either... just cordial...

[strike wolf]

No seriously Votanic. I wasn't trying to insult you or anyone else with that comment. Sorry if my apology was kind of non-existant there. I admittedly was a bit annoyed by your reaction but I really had no ill intent from the comment.

[swang918]

Yea to me it's pretty clear strike was genuinely asking/ thinking out loud, which player is most likely to recruit votanic if they were the Thing.

[swang918]

Also not sure why people think I'm just coasting when I initiated the whole Ragian BT wagon.

[Votanic]

No seriously Votanic. I wasn't trying to insult you or anyone else with that comment. Sorry if my apology was kind of non-existant there. I admittedly was a bit annoyed by your reaction but I really had no ill intent from the comment.

No please, it's totally fine. My reaction was just tongue-in-cheek.... well mostly.

My shooting from the hip is getting me in all sorts of hot water... but I play Mafia, like I play life, as myself for the most part.

Ragging on people, talking about horror movie flavor, etc, etc... those aren't scum-tells. Those are just Votanic-tells.

[Extreme Ways]

Lots of stuff to catch up on but I'm ill. Give me a day or two before you hammer anybody please.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Lets try and keep things cordial. No need to be obscene, please. Game is actually pleasant, let's keep it that way.