New Jedi Order Mafia MOZ & VONG WIN

[wicked]

you're the reason I had to roleclaim IC, I was on a speed lynch to a certain lynch.

You never got past Lynch-3. I was at Lynch -1 and you don't see me claiming, do you?

well that's your own stupidity then. you weren't at lynch-1, unless mandy counted wrong. you might want to re-visit that claiming thing now, b/c it still looks to be headed that way.

[AK_iceman]

As of right now, I am not planning on revealing my true role unless I have to to avoid being lynched. The mafia already have more than enough info today thanks to wicked.

This part makes my scumdar ping. Wicked was close to a lynch thanks to you, and had to reveal her role only because of you. You say all this was to catch bandwagonners but I find it way more credible that you did it to get infos on Wicked and possibly getting her lynched in the process.
Your case about Exile seems good, but to give you a free pass for this far-fetched and dangerous act feels pretty risky to me right now.

Wicked can BS better than most, I really didn't expect her to claim and quote her role from Mandy. Unless it's a made-up quote/role, that was her mistake to post it.

[AK_iceman]

you're the reason I had to roleclaim IC, I was on a speed lynch to a certain lynch.

You never got past Lynch-3. I was at Lynch -1 and you don't see me claiming, do you?

well that's your own stupidity then. you weren't at lynch-1, unless mandy counted wrong. you might want to re-visit that claiming thing now, b/c it still looks to be headed that way.

Mandy did count wrong. It would have been a lynch if Skoffin had unvoted before voting me. And weren't you saying something earlier about how claiming on Day 1 isn't good for the town, but now you want me to claim?

[wicked]

I had no reason to lie IC, unlike you. If I was caught lying, I'd be lynched pretty quickly. no IC, my claim was all your fault, everyone here but you sees that.

It's kinda hard to claim this early on unless you're town, which is the reason I suspect you haven't claimed and said you won't. All the more reason to finish your lynch. No one can trust you after that stunt.

[MountainLion]

As of right now, I am not planning on revealing my true role unless I have to to avoid being lynched. The mafia already have more than enough info today thanks to wicked.

This part makes my scumdar ping. Wicked was close to a lynch thanks to you, and had to reveal her role only because of you. You say all this was to catch bandwagonners but I find it way more credible that you did it to get infos on Wicked and possibly getting her lynched in the process.
Your case about Exile seems good, but to give you a free pass for this far-fetched and dangerous act feels pretty risky to me right now.

Excellent point, ga7.

If you're telling the truth AK, it would have been a good plan if wicked hadn't roleclaimed. You should have been more careful.

Fine, Can I at least Role-Claim?
Of course you can. However, many roles will face quick and ignoble death (not Mod-Kill, but “natural” causes ) if they claim. So, Mass role-claim = Mafia wins.

If anyone is forgetting this part of the game rules, take a look. Roleclaims are risky according to Mandy.

AK, did you see this rule?

[MountainLion]

wicked, did you see that rule too?

[wicked]

Mandy can you elaborate on your role claim rule if you haven't gone to bed already?

[wicked]

I did see that rule, but thought it was only bad for mass role-claims. you've got to be able to role claim in mafia, so I'm not really understanding that. hopefully mandy can clarify.

[pancakemix]

That's the post we've been waiting for all this time? Half of it was stuff we already knew, and the actual defense starts with "I lied". The rest after that is just trying to shift attention to exile. It's a good point, yes, but not a point one would want to make in your situation.

[AK_iceman]

If you're telling the truth AK, it would have been a good plan if wicked hadn't roleclaimed. You should have been more careful.

Yeah, um... ok... Next time I'll post a message only to wicked to let her know that it isn't a good move to roleclaim and post your role PM. I'll just ask that nobody else read it so that the plan will work.

That's the post we've been waiting for all this time? Half of it was stuff we already knew, and the actual defense starts with "I lied".

Heh, isn't that the whole point of mafia? You're supposed to lie to find out who the bad guys are. If everyone just told the truth, it'd be a boring game where the mafia always win.

[Huckleberryhound]

Anyone who is on the darkside....say 'aye' now

[pancakemix]

That's the post we've been waiting for all this time? Half of it was stuff we already knew, and the actual defense starts with "I lied".

Heh, isn't that the whole point of mafia? You're supposed to lie to find out who the bad guys are. If everyone just told the truth, it'd be a boring game where the mafia always win.

Yes it is the point, but you don't tell everybody you lied. And town generally has no reason to. Only scum lie.

Vote AK

[AK_iceman]

That's the post we've been waiting for all this time? Half of it was stuff we already knew, and the actual defense starts with "I lied".

Heh, isn't that the whole point of mafia? You're supposed to lie to find out who the bad guys are. If everyone just told the truth, it'd be a boring game where the mafia always win.

Yes it is the point, but you don't tell everybody you lied. And town generally has no reason to. Only scum lie.

Vote AK

I told you about my plan because I believe either wicked or myself would have been lynched today, and we're both pro-town. And no, scum aren't the only ones that lie. If you know how to play, which I believe you do, you would realize that pro-town members lie all the time.

[AK_iceman]

Btw, can we get an accurate Vote Count Mandy?

[Anarkistsdream]

Well, Trestain, you just gave that part away to me... Which is unfortunate, because other people may now pick up on it too that are as dense as me.

And just because I am on the Jedis side doesn't mean that I am a Jedi, or in any way know how the Jedi BS stuff works... Why would you make that assumption, unless you were fishing?

I believe that you used Wickeds attack on me to try and start something that would get me out quickly.

Vote: Trestain

[trestain]

Well, Trestain, you just gave that part away to me... Which is unfortunate, because other people may now pick up on it too that are as dense as me.

And just because I am on the Jedis side doesn't mean that I am a Jedi, or in any way know how the Jedi BS stuff works... Why would you make that assumption, unless you were fishing?

I believe that you used Wickeds attack on me to try and start something that would get me out quickly.

Vote: Trestain

can whoever has the power investigate me tonight please.

care to elaborate which part i gave away to you??

[Aimless]

I'll have a big comment about this later (after I re-read), but for now I think we should hold off on lynching AK; at least for tonight.

I think he had a good idea in terms of trying to generate a couple of large bandwagons to look for the vote happy; unfortunately, I'm having trouble trusting him now based on the Lynch All Liars principle.

Ideally, I'd want to get some confirmation from him that he's town.

So, AK, can you give us anything (partial roleclaim, etc.) to make us trust you?

Once again, my natural instinct is that no scum would stick his neck out that far on Day 1, so I want to trust you here.

[trestain]

oh and i wasn't fishing as you put it, i was hoping to catch you out on another lie about your claiming earlier in the game.

[freezie]

Well well...Here what we have :

Ak scolding Wicked for half role-claiming, which is what saved us from killing the most powerful Jedi, if the one who said that is speaking the truth ( I didn't bother going throught Wikipedia for that ).

Ak doing a fake claim, almost killing Wicked. Then saying he did so to start a bandwagon.

Anark and Trest Still going at each others.

Ak, you were the one responsible for Wicked's claim. I was the one who brought her to claim, I won't deny it, but without you lying, there wouldn't have been one. If I had not told her to do, she could have been dead as we speak.

Many thing happened....But my vote stands as for now.

[wicked]

Ank, Tres picked up on clues I dropped, so for now, I'm not thinking he looks scummy. It would seem there are non-jedi pro-town roles who wouldn't have picked up on those clues. I think you guys are on the same side and shouldn't be fragmenting votes.

[trestain]

Also anarkistsdream this is the second time you have tried to attack a player who has suspicions on you and claimed they were mafia. scummy in my book

[AK_iceman]

Ak, you were the one responsible for Wicked's claim. I was the one who brought her to claim, I won't deny it, but without you lying, there wouldn't have been one. If I had not told her to do, she could have been dead as we speak.

Many thing happened....But my vote stands as for now.

That's a contradiction if I ever saw one. Wicked is the only one responsible for claiming, she didn't put up much of a fight beforehand, and she wasn't really that close to a lynch anyway. And without me lying, all we would have right now is wicked and Anark arguing about whether or not they were joking. 2 bandwagons is plenty of evidence to base a guess off of, not to mention some of the other posts that have been highlighted.

Btw, I can reveal my character name without giving away any role information. I'm Han Solo.

[MountainLion]

This has been one hell of a Day 1. I think we can get a lot of leads here...although I'm not sure yet who to vote. I would be more likely to vote AK than wicked, but his plan is very puzzling. Exile is worth a look, but can we trust AK? I was suspicious of trestain earlier, but not completely sure.

I will be offline for a while, but I will try to get back later tonight, re-read some things and try to decide on a vote.

[ga7]

Once again, my natural instinct is that no scum would stick his neck out that far on Day 1, so I want to trust you here.

There's still the lyncher possibility though.
I'll leave my vote as it is, the whole thing certainly doesn't convince me of AK's towniness.

[wicked]

and you could've have given us your name 3 pages ago? sheesh.