[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[jonty125]

Jonty125 picked you, cause i have not talked to you much. not sure what is on your mind.

Meth.

Yet a town, went onto that vote (Neb). (i know i'm town) And a mafia went on to someone that voted Super (PCM on Virus). Makes me think it was more of a a "TOWN" wagon than a "mafia opportunity"

There were 4 votes. Two of these people have flipped, one scum one town. We cannot comment on yours and virus' alliance, it could easily be 3 scumsters and 1 townie or 1 scumster or 3 townies, so you cannot call it a "town" bandwagon, as if that excuses all members of it, a bandwagon is a bandwagon.

Jonty125 since you are "looking at betiko" Does him saying "this super vote looks funny" What do you make of that comment now? Several people dismissed the option. "because of how it looked" not if "super looked town or scum"

He actually said wagon, and in my opinion it was a bandwagon of minimal substance which likely suggests that there are scum and/or lazy/bloodthirsty town. Neither of these are overly good, but I can live with bloodthirsty town.


In other news, cooldeals has drawn my eye with this:

I get a town vibe from Betiko and think maybe this is more than just a hunch of Betiko's

Is this because he has a strong opinion? Because in that case X-Stor-X is a stool pigeon with the list of mafia and is trying to guide us to them. FOS cooldeals.

[StorrZerg]

Betiko, got an opinion on super or greg?

[superkeener]

That really is a desperate attempt to get some of the little attention that's on you over to me instead. Poor assumptions in general, to be honest. Perhaps I don't like being straightforward because it leads to dead discussion, whereas if I'm unclear a lot - but comfortably town from my point of view - it helps me, and hopefully others, to get reads on more people.

A “dead discussion” at least lets us know that the discussion in question is now not productive to the game.

Also, you can’t expect someone who doesn’t really know you or your meta to just sit back and think, “That is just how caff is, no reason to worry about it”

I base all of my information about you in regards to this game from what you actually put into this game. This vague or passive approach you have is not pro-town. A more straightforward answer from you could stop a day's worth or dialogue that is going in the wrong direction, just because you find it “fun” to use bread crumbs that might just lead us away from what we really need to know.

[virus90]

@ betiko, ok im sorry read back till page 35 or 36 or something alike (my previous big post) and since then i mainly got the third party part of the case. it is also what others are quoting, and i believe its the reason that some are voting aswell. that case is not strong. the case you mention i will have to take another look into that.

and about my spelling of the words. in my language it is mafia so excuse me for that. im trying to do my best on the english spelling and sentences, but it not being my native language makes it hard to express myself sometimes, there will definately be errors in spelling.
Not an excuse for mob daily / deathly i just got that wrong in my head:P
got the same with xstorx i type xvotex all the time coincidently or maybe thats just my gut telling me to vote him.

[TheForgivenOne]

TFO: why did you unvote caff? you were basically agreeing on my case, him being scum. Then from his reply I kind of understood he was softclaiming third party ("I am far from a threat to town"). He was not; so you unvoted. The case in the first place was him being scum... and it got deviated by this misunderstanding regarding a possible thrid party softclaim. It doesn't change anything to the original case; so what made you change your mind?

I was more along the lines of him soft claiming third party. Not that my vote mattered, as I don't have a vote for today (I lost it n1).

[betiko]

Betiko, got an opinion on super or greg?

super: I pretty much agree with all his posts so far, so pretty neutral/good vibe, nothing much to add.
greg: it feels like he saw that he was getting into trouble for the lack of posting and opinions that were not just postponing stuff vaguely and saw the caff wagon forming so he jumped on it. he replied just after mob:

thanks for those notes of concern, but yes i am still here, had a project take longer to finish than i thought it would.
anywho, i can understand rodion wanting clarification of CD's word use, it was a reasonable question, and then it got blown out of proportion, i don't think a vote is warranted yet but i'll keep this in mind
as for MOB's case on caff, well i didn't read caff's orginal post that way but with the above i see MOB's point, caff's post definitely looks like he was soft-claiming third party, then caff said he hadn't, this now seems to me to be a case of LAL so vote iamcaffeine

so is he skimming through stuff to make it look as if he's up to date? he's acting as if mob is building something new when mob is basically agreeing on the same stuff about caff that I had already said 2/3 times earlier. So he got a bit nervous there in my opinion with the pressure. I can't really make conclusions out of this.


what about you; what do you think about the whole caff case xstor? do you think there is something to dig there, or you are leaving him alone only because you are more interested in greg?

virus: no prob, I totally figured that in dutch it would probably be spelled "maffia" as that's what you wrote 100% of the time and now you write "mafia" in dutch!!! lol. and you still got it wrong: mob deadly; not mob deathly!!

fastposted.
huh??? you never said that before TFO, or did I miss that?

[StorrZerg]

i need to spend more time on caff. 2 people high up on my scum list are jumping on caff and not adding to the case.

[TheForgivenOne]

@Betiko, I completely forgot about it to be honest (I think I mentioned I'm sick). I remembered when I looked at the vote count after I unvoted and noticed I wasn't on there.

But yeah, I lost it for today after I got some meth during the night.

[cooldeals]

@Betiko, I completely forgot about it to be honest (I think I mentioned I'm sick). I remembered when I looked at the vote count after I unvoted and noticed I wasn't on there.

But yeah, I lost it for today after I got some meth during the night.

So both Anark and jonty have dropped hints about Meth. I'm guessing they both did/do it as flavor and obviously Anark flipped town.

Now we have TFO's vote stolen also with a reference to meth. Not having watched the series myself I'm lost on the flavor and basically just ignored all jonty's remarks so far etc, but if someone with more knowledge could explain the whole meth connection I would be interested to hear. I almost plain out asked jonty why he's softclaiming someone who uses a lot of meth but now that TFO's vote was stolen by meth it makes the flavor seem more important.

I'm NOT saying jonty did this. My best guess with no knowledge of the show is I would assume mafia distribute meth right? So maybe mafia have a vote stealer who can slip a townie some meth. The users of the meth seem likely to not be mafia after what we saw from Anark. I just am pointing out all the uses of the word I see in the thread.

The existence of a vote stealer seems significant to me though. Who would target TFO? and does this mean TFO is likely townie to have his vote stolen.

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Also, waiting to hear a iAmCaffeine claim I think we have enough pressure now to warrant it.

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Lastly, on the Rodion thing I am getting a town feel from him. He may not realize I was feeling him out too in that argument trying to determine if he was trying to take pressure of Caffeine with his case or if he really thought he found some kind of scum slip and got very excited. I call this the MoB because more than once I've seen MoB take a careless townie comment and try to force it as a scum slip with reckless abandon. Being on the receiving end of this recently quite possibly makes me want to rub it in by labeling it a "MoB". All that aside I think he was a townie searching out a scum slip, but scum doesn't play like that. At least in our clan games I've never seen a "scum slip" that wasn't a townie mistake unless scum had already had to claim and slipped validating the story of their actions/fakeclaim. Every time we chase our tails on things like Rodion has brought up we get 5 pages of town v town fighting while the scum go back to sleep. I put a lot more weight into things like PCM distancing himself from Caffeine than I do these trivial comments.

[strike wolf]

Official vote count

iAmCaffeine (5)-betiko, Cooldeals, Superkeener, Mob Deadly, Gregwolf
Rishaed (1)-Virus90
Gregwolf121 (1)-X-Stor-x
Cooldeals (1)-Rishaed
Superkeener
Theforgivenone
mob deadly
betiko
x-stor-x
metsfanmax
rodion
virus90
iron butterfly
Rugbirn
Jonty125

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is Monday, March 17th.

Alright so slight distractions have kept me from doing it earlier but expect an activity check to go out in the next 24 hours.

[betiko]

town and mafia sell meth from what I know, since we got lydia as mafia and badger as town (not third party or anything)
Strike already answered earlier in the game. This is much more straight forward that what we had been speculated and it's mostly about the first seasons.
I think this is only about the "good guys" from a scenario point of view (walt and jessie's gang+walt's family, including hank?), mafia is gus's gang as speculated and demonstrated with lydia; third party are most likely salamanca gang or todd gang or DEA (including hank?). Also, I really don't know if we should expect mike as being with gus (mafia) or with walt (town) given his "alignment" change in the show.

TFO; please give us more details of the flavour you got regarding the vote stealing message.

caff at l-3, might be a good time to claim!

[TheForgivenOne]

town and mafia sell meth from what I know, since we got lydia as mafia and badger as town (not third party or anything)
Strike already answered earlier in the game. This is much more straight forward that what we had been speculated and it's mostly about the first seasons.
I think this is only about the "good guys" from a scenario point of view (walt and jessie's gang+walt's family, including hank?), mafia is gus's gang as speculated and demonstrated with lydia; third party are most likely salamanca gang or todd gang or DEA (including hank?). Also, I really don't know if we should expect mike as being with gus (mafia) or with walt (town) given his "alignment" change in the show.

TFO; please give us more details of the flavour you got regarding the vote stealing message.

caff at l-3, might be a good time to claim!

I was given some meth, which gave me a night action. Basically I lost my vote in exchange for a night action.

[gregwolf121]

@ greg
I must say greg; you admit to not reading the case thoroughly but you are happy to vote iamcaffeine. besides the case was already rolling when you replied last weekend (march 8 my local time, page 36) so why did you not join it at that time, at that point you said you did a thorough reread, then you said sun 9, page 37; that you wanted to wait for caffeine to respond. and i quote "i'm not going to vote until i believe some one is scum" so now you do believe he is scum?
so FOS gregwolf. (only problem i have with that, is that this is typicaly his meta, but it makes him so damn hard to read, and i think my point is valid)

when i first posted on page 36 i said that i had caught up, meaning i had read all of day 1 and what had been posted on day 2, i never said i did a thorough reread, i read though most everything once, excepting parts of day 1 that i had to reread, at that time i didn't read his post as a softclaim, as i said, and at the time he said he would provide more info, so i waited for that info, at this time i do believe that, which is why i voted

greg: it feels like he saw that he was getting into trouble for the lack of posting and opinions that were not just postponing stuff vaguely and saw the caff wagon forming so he jumped on it. he replied just after mob:

thanks for those notes of concern, but yes i am still here, had a project take longer to finish than i thought it would.
anywho, i can understand rodion wanting clarification of CD's word use, it was a reasonable question, and then it got blown out of proportion, i don't think a vote is warranted yet but i'll keep this in mind
as for MOB's case on caff, well i didn't read caff's orginal post that way but with the above i see MOB's point, caff's post definitely looks like he was soft-claiming third party, then caff said he hadn't, this now seems to me to be a case of LAL so vote iamcaffeine

so is he skimming through stuff to make it look as if he's up to date? he's acting as if mob is building something new when mob is basically agreeing on the same stuff about caff that I had already said 2/3 times earlier. So he got a bit nervous there in my opinion with the pressure. I can't really make conclusions out of this.

no im not skimming, but neither am i reading through the posts dissecting every word. and i'll say again when i first read caff's post i didn't catch the softclaim, then when i read through it again, in mob's post, i saw it, i had waited for caff's response he responded, and he seemed to completely change what he had said, though i feel my first post said all this,

[betiko]

town and mafia sell meth from what I know, since we got lydia as mafia and badger as town (not third party or anything)
Strike already answered earlier in the game. This is much more straight forward that what we had been speculated and it's mostly about the first seasons.
I think this is only about the "good guys" from a scenario point of view (walt and jessie's gang+walt's family, including hank?), mafia is gus's gang as speculated and demonstrated with lydia; third party are most likely salamanca gang or todd gang or DEA (including hank?). Also, I really don't know if we should expect mike as being with gus (mafia) or with walt (town) given his "alignment" change in the show.

TFO; please give us more details of the flavour you got regarding the vote stealing message.

caff at l-3, might be a good time to claim!

I was given some meth, which gave me a night action. Basically I lost my vote in exchange for a night action.

huh... interesting... CD; you sure you didn't know anything? you're the first who brought it up. I didn't really think there was much to think into it... anark being VT and telling this on day 1.... is there someone distributing meth in the day phase??? and a posting obligation to say that you have taken meth once you chose to accept it?

fastposted by greg

[betiko]

@ greg
I must say greg; you admit to not reading the case thoroughly but you are happy to vote iamcaffeine. besides the case was already rolling when you replied last weekend (march 8 my local time, page 36) so why did you not join it at that time, at that point you said you did a thorough reread, then you said sun 9, page 37; that you wanted to wait for caffeine to respond. and i quote "i'm not going to vote until i believe some one is scum" so now you do believe he is scum?
so FOS gregwolf. (only problem i have with that, is that this is typicaly his meta, but it makes him so damn hard to read, and i think my point is valid)

when i first posted on page 36 i said that i had caught up, meaning i had read all of day 1 and what had been posted on day 2, i never said i did a thorough reread, i read though most everything once, excepting parts of day 1 that i had to reread, at that time i didn't read his post as a softclaim, as i said, and at the time he said he would provide more info, so i waited for that info, at this time i do believe that, which is why i voted

greg: it feels like he saw that he was getting into trouble for the lack of posting and opinions that were not just postponing stuff vaguely and saw the caff wagon forming so he jumped on it. he replied just after mob:

thanks for those notes of concern, but yes i am still here, had a project take longer to finish than i thought it would.
anywho, i can understand rodion wanting clarification of CD's word use, it was a reasonable question, and then it got blown out of proportion, i don't think a vote is warranted yet but i'll keep this in mind
as for MOB's case on caff, well i didn't read caff's orginal post that way but with the above i see MOB's point, caff's post definitely looks like he was soft-claiming third party, then caff said he hadn't, this now seems to me to be a case of LAL so vote iamcaffeine

so is he skimming through stuff to make it look as if he's up to date? he's acting as if mob is building something new when mob is basically agreeing on the same stuff about caff that I had already said 2/3 times earlier. So he got a bit nervous there in my opinion with the pressure. I can't really make conclusions out of this.

no im not skimming, but neither am i reading through the posts dissecting every word. and i'll say again when i first read caff's post i didn't catch the softclaim, then when i read through it again, in mob's post, i saw it, i had waited for caff's response he responded, and he seemed to completely change what he had said, though i feel my first post said all this,

I quoted the exact same thing on the same page for the second or third time. then mob quotes the exact same thing and asks the same questions. so no, this is not about reading exactly, this is about reading every post... do you just read the last post each time? not even what's on the page?

[iAmCaffeine]

First of all, I will claim if people that haven't BW'd me wish so. If only people voting me want a claim, tough.

That really is a desperate attempt to get some of the little attention that's on you over to me instead. Poor assumptions in general, to be honest. Perhaps I don't like being straightforward because it leads to dead discussion, whereas if I'm unclear a lot - but comfortably town from my point of view - it helps me, and hopefully others, to get reads on more people.

A “dead discussion” at least lets us know that the discussion in question is now not productive to the game.

Also, you can’t expect someone who doesn’t really know you or your meta to just sit back and think, “That is just how caff is, no reason to worry about it”

I base all of my information about you in regards to this game from what you actually put into this game. This vague or passive approach you have is not pro-town. A more straightforward answer from you could stop a day's worth or dialogue that is going in the wrong direction, just because you find it “fun” to use bread crumbs that might just lead us away from what we really need to know.

Either you decided to completely ignored what I said or you just don't understand it. By being vague I have generated approximately three pages of discussion. Can you please explain how that isn't beneficial in getting reads on people for town?

@X-Stor-X

In brief. I have town-reads on you and virus. Rodion isn't talking enough which makes me suspicious, because he usually has valuable input even when he doesn't post much, but none has been provided. My main scum-reads are Greg and cool.

[gregwolf121]

i do read every post on the page, if i'm in a hurry i don't read as carefully, the posts i think you are refering too, were at the start of day 1, correct? if so i had just finished reading 15+ pages to catch up on the reading and by that time things started blending together, that and i wanted to hear caff's response, once it was given i just referred back to the closest post on the case.

[rishaed]

I'm a firm believer that lynching day 1 is good for town, and to have someone in the game who is "consistent with no voting day 1" is sort of weird. Just seems like a cop out, possibly makes it hard for scum to find reason to kill you since you didn't do anything day 1, and makes it hard for people to build a case against you or agree with you as well.

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That's where it all started. It helps me win games because it helps me survive, irrespective of whether I'm town or mafia. I'm really glad it has been incorporated to my meta.

Sure he is pushing cooldeals a little, can't tell if its "get the facts right" or "cool deals is scummy cause he keeps messing up the facts"

The facts that I'm trying to get right will determine the scuminess or non-scuminess of my CD read. Right now I'm not liking CD.

What i do find funny about this cooldeals vs Rodion interaction is the "grammar" stuff. I know i have terrible grammar and spelling, yet Rodion has not jumped on me for that.

Hopefully my last post to CD clarified that it had nothing to do with spelling.

I also don't see it as a grammar issue. I see it as a "this doesn't sound right issue" that is potentially being discredited when people reduce it to "mere grammar".


@Rishaed - can you clarify on the hipocrisy of the 2 red-highlighted CD statements?

@IB - funny thing is I REALLY didn't understand what he meant! And that was a nasty day indeed!

Sure. The way that I took his first statement, was that he was saying, yes my case has WIFOM in it, but its still a good case. However he states in the second statement, I will not respond to any case you make against me with WIFOM. By that logic, Caffiene shouldn't be responding to everything on his case which is WIFOM. Also I'm pretty sure that Jonty has a post restriction from his posts, maybe not permanent but I'm almost positive that he has to mention meth in his posts today, if not in the following days.

[betiko]

i do read every post on the page, if i'm in a hurry i don't read as carefully, the posts i think you are refering too, were at the start of day 1, correct? if so i had just finished reading 15+ pages to catch up on the reading and by that time things started blending together, that and i wanted to hear caff's response, once it was given i just referred back to the closest post on the case.

Nope, early day 2 and on the same page as mob. In fact he quoted me to say he agreed.. He quoted me to approve my caff case.. He kind of re-did my case with the exact same things and his own words + quoting my case. A case written 2-3 times on day 2 by myself+ another time by mob... So that was actually the third or forth time this exact case on caff was brough up and you treated it as big news. So yeah, you really don t read carefully at all if something repeated that many times hasn t been noticed at all by you till then.

Anyway... Caff asked a question. For those of you who didn t vote caff.. The man just want your last word to go for his full claim or not.

[StorrZerg]

I do not have a vote on caff. I have made my personal opinion clear about claims.

I would like caff to go into more detail about his latest 4 reads though

[Rugbirn]

Caff, Sorry but I think that you have stepped in it so much that only a full role claim at this point can get this monkey off your back. You and Greg are definately on my watch list and because I haven't voted yet, I'll await your full claim (because although early, I feel you really want to).

[betiko]

Caff, Sorry but I think that you have stepped in it so much that only a full role claim at this point can get this monkey off your back. You and Greg are definately on my watch list and because I haven't voted yet, I'll await your full claim (because although early, I feel you really want to).

he is at L-3; if you vote he will be at L-2 and everybody full claims at that point. an extra vote won't hurt at that point, if what you want is a claim too.

ok; what do you guys think about asking everyone to cast a vote somewhere, for those who haven't yet (let's say on anyone with no vote on them).
This would help us identify meth heads after a vote count done by strike.
I would like to get a full claim from caff quickly to see if this is a good lead or not... and if it's not i'm kind of interested in greg too; on top of decyphering game mechanics with this meth thing.

[StorrZerg]

I always love votes, more the better.

[StorrZerg]

town and mafia sell meth from what I know, since we got lydia as mafia and badger as town (not third party or anything)
Strike already answered earlier in the game. This is much more straight forward that what we had been speculated and it's mostly about the first seasons.
I think this is only about the "good guys" from a scenario point of view (walt and jessie's gang+walt's family, including hank?), mafia is gus's gang as speculated and demonstrated with lydia; third party are most likely salamanca gang or todd gang or DEA (including hank?). Also, I really don't know if we should expect mike as being with gus (mafia) or with walt (town) given his "alignment" change in the show.

TFO; please give us more details of the flavour you got regarding the vote stealing message.

caff at l-3, might be a good time to claim!

I was given some meth, which gave me a night action. Basically I lost my vote in exchange for a night action.

Can you go into more detail?

[superkeener]

ok; what do you guys think about asking everyone to cast a vote somewhere, for those who haven't yet (let's say on anyone with no vote on them).

I agree.