Civilization Mafia - Town Victory!

[dakky21]

of course there is a picture,pyramids and Cleo

Weird cause this game is based off of civ V and everyone's civ picture has been based off of civ V(As far as I'm aware) and Civ V egypt has Ramesses II as it's leader and Cleopatra in Civ VI.

You skimmed through my post where I said I am Hojo Tokimune from Civ VI.

[Samlen]

Rip thought I was onto something.

[Djfireside]

yeah it appears that they may not be sectioned off to a single game judging by that. I am from Civ 5 though.

[Ragian]

So... who wasn't on the hotshot and the benga lynch? I know I wasn't on the first one.

[Ragian]

I can only come up with dakky... He has no gun, though. A little help, please...

[strike wolf]

On second look, it appears that my character is supposed to be washington. The hair just looks different.

[dakky21]

I can only come up with dakky... He has no gun, though. A little help, please...

I was on the benga lynch while you were not. I wasn't on the hotshot lynch while you were. It makes us pretty much the same, only I am confirmed civilized.

[Ragian]

You were? Brilliant. I only know you don't have a gun. How do I know you are civilised?

[dakky21]

You were? Brilliant. I only know you don't have a gun. How do I know you are civilised?

You are right and you just given me a thought... maybe Arsenal is required to have a "gun". Maybe not having the gun doesn't clears one up, but just confirms the arsenal wasn't built?

[strike wolf]

I thought about that too but it would be rather misleading if it was based not on some way of determining town vs scum but only who had built an arsenal. I wouldn't say not having a gun clears you entirely as there may be a way for scum to come out negative but it does have to in some way indicate scum vs. Town to be of any use in the game.

[Fircoal]

I think we all know who I am.

Anyway night action chart:



A couple of notes. I know what Strike did N2 or well N1, but I figure it isn't in the town's interest to out that. If you're in the know you should know.

In what was probably easy to figure out I watched Frenchie-chan Night 2. Both Skittles and Tim had visited him. As it turns out both of them claimed that with their actions which does make me believe them more than not. That said I'm a bit confused. If Tim had been blocked would I have been able to see him there? It was said his action was unsuccessful. Is that something different entirely? Given what we know that's what I'm lead to believe.

On NIght 3 I watched Nag and no one visited him. Sadly no one claimed to visit him last night, I was hoping to catch some lying scum.

Anyway that's what we got.

I wonder if we should make a chart for country claims as well. Probably couldn't hurt I imagine, although if done I still advise against posting it until it's complete.

[Fircoal]

I thought about that too but it would be rather misleading if it was based not on some way of determining town vs scum but only who had built an arsenal. I wouldn't say not having a gun clears you entirely as there may be a way for scum to come out negative but it does have to in some way indicate scum vs. Town to be of any use in the game.

This is my thought, if it was town vs. scum then it'd be way too good for it's cost. Considering the real thing costs 2 days, something that can do that with 1 day seems a bit too much. Besides Barbarians are BARBARIANS. Not skilled gun members. This is mafia but it doesn't have a mafia theme. If you had a gunsmith in a werewolf gave, the theme would either have to be edited or they wouldn't find anything.

So then what might it do? Well it might be a way for other members with an arsenal to be able to check each other and see that if they have one or not. As how it stands those are the ones that make sense to have the guns.

[nagerous]

You were? Brilliant. I only know you don't have a gun. How do I know you are civilised?

You are right and you just given me a thought... maybe Arsenal is required to have a "gun". Maybe not having the gun doesn't clears one up, but just confirms the arsenal wasn't built?

You realise you are incriminating yourself so to speak? If we discount the no gun evidence as per civilisation lore on barbarians as maybe a mod trick all we are left with is the fact that it is known that you visited skoffin in the night as per the chart.

[strike wolf]

Disregarding the gun thing, Dakky probably still would be my no. 1 choice.

[dakky21]

You realise you are incriminating yourself so to speak? If we discount the no gun evidence as per civilisation lore on barbarians as maybe a mod trick all we are left with is the fact that it is known that you visited skoffin in the night as per the chart.

I don't see how. I did visit skoffin and blocked her, so what? Does that makes me barbarian roleblocker? Or I didn't carry a gun (or didn't have the Arsenal) and had a candlestick as mitch would say? Incriminating or not, I guess it's up to you to judge.

On the other hand, Samlen confirms ga7 is town, does that make them both town or they're both scum? In a game like this where buildings give actions, it is possible to have multiple investigations and therefore scum can lie about their actions. No one can counterclaim since we don't know what building they built. If Skittles blocked ga7 N2 then it leaves Samlen as possible killer that night. Think about that before going after me.

[TimWoodbury]

so im thinking either strike or DJ.....they both claim to have been building one...

[strike wolf]

Yeah. I don't know what choosing to build the wonder has to do with town vs. Scum, Tim. I would also think that at this point in the game, I've pretty well proven my towniness.

Frankly, I'm still not completely convinced on DJ though rereading how he claimed, it does appear that he had some knowledge of what he was claiming and wasn't just bluffing a random building. Even if he's lying, it should be revealed soon. The two cases that make the most sense to me are:

1. Dakky
Pros:
a. generally has seemed scummy.
b. Seemed quick to unvote Hotshot D3 after Hotshot gave a very weak claim.
c. Voted Aage who is now proven town.
d. Caught visiting someone who died the same night.

Cons:

a. Was early on the Benga wagon.
b. Doesn't have a gun. As has now been pointed out. This does not equate to a cop investigation and it's unclear how much this actually means (though I stick by what I said that if it doesn't have some kind of way of helping to distinguish town vs scum it's useless).

2. Rage
Pros:
a. Did not vote Benga
b. Late to vote Hotshot after it was clear the lynch would go through. (did not vote him D2 and was late on it d3)
c. Does not have much confirmable knowledge about the game.

Cons:
a. Generally hasn't given me a scummy vibe in posting pattern.

All things considered...I would be more comfortable lynching Dakky over Rage. Rage may not have as much confirmable knowledge of game mechanics but he does appear quick to comprehend what others are talking about when they talk about town related abilities. Therefore:

Vote Dakky

[strike wolf]

@Chu's if you're in the know you should know": I feel like we're an elite club. Lol.

[Ragian]

Should we not consider the discrepancy between Tim bring blocked and Chu seeing him visiting Ga7 anyway? Surely, there's something there.

[TimWoodbury]

Yeah. I don't know what choosing to build the wonder has to do with town vs. Scum, Tim. I would also think that at this point in the game, I've pretty well proven my towniness.

you are correct i just reread and its only 1 can compleate not only 1 can build.

Should we not consider the discrepancy between Tim bring blocked and Chu seeing him visiting Ga7 anyway? Surely, there's something there.

we can consider and discuss it id actually really like to know why my track on GA7 was unsuccessful(which i attributed to being blocked) did anyone target me N1 thats not yet claimed?? if not GA7 does one of your buildings affect actions taken on you??

[strike wolf]

Should we not consider the discrepancy between Tim bring blocked and Chu seeing him visiting Ga7 anyway? Surely, there's something there.

Forgot about that as it wasn't mentioned in chus chart. I forget who claimed to block Tim?

[Ragian]

I found it in the chart, though

[strike wolf]

I found it in the chart, though

I don't see it...

[strike wolf]

Tim were you told that you were role blocked, that the action was unsuccessful or did the mod use a different wording?

[nagerous]

Yeah. I don't know what choosing to build the wonder has to do with town vs. Scum, Tim. I would also think that at this point in the game, I've pretty well proven my towniness.

you are correct i just reread and its only 1 can compleate not only 1 can build.

Should we not consider the discrepancy between Tim bring blocked and Chu seeing him visiting Ga7 anyway? Surely, there's something there.

we can consider and discuss it id actually really like to know why my track on GA7 was unsuccessful(which i attributed to being blocked) did anyone target me N1 thats not yet claimed?? if not GA7 does one of your buildings affect actions taken on you??

No one blocked you, the watcher stated that you did in fact visit ga7. It is just that your tracking of ga7 was unsuccessful. Skittles said that he blocked ga7 and Fircoal saw you both visit him.

Maybe you could ask for mod on clarification on what unsuccessful means?

As per the Dakky vs Rag scenario, I am leaning more towards Dakky being scum than Rag now though even though my vote has been on Rag. This is as per being his seen at the scene all the crime.

Looking back I have to view his reaction to myself and others saying he didn't have a gun as quite strange - saying we were looking for town cred by spotting the obvious? He was pretty suspicious the previous day which is why I checked him out for a gun but his reaction made it seem like he found this suspicious that myself and Tim declared him non-gun wielding.

The lynch count is now at 4 to lynch and will be at 3 tomorrow however so time is running out. unvote ragian though I won't vote Dakky quite yet as it will make him -1 in a number of hours and I know what Mitch and Tim are like with their itchy trigger fingers and it would be good to hear others opinions first.