The Thing TOWN WINS!

[strike wolf]

Traf, do you really think Son!c is scum? And can you give better details on your thoughts on other players? You have felt somewhat passive in this game and as much as I don't like Son!cs play style, I do agree with him on you feeling scummy.

[Charle]

I actually agree with Strike. Traf, can you also please just let us know why you never participated to any BT or Lynch Votes? That is my only reason why you are on my scummy list.

EW because he tried very hard to move the BT vote away from him.

Votanic only because he becomes very aggressive when people vote against him. That sounds very scummy to me as well.

The rest of the guys seems Town to me so far.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Sure I can give my insight into everyone.

Apologies last week for being absent, but was a quite a busy week for me. had 2 Concerts, had to do the planing for Clan League, and was last week before an election and unfortunatelly the outcome was not the best one. And also I was getting tired of all the nonsese.

Anyway, why am I voting Sonic? - Mainly 2 reasons: I think he has changed his playstyle a bit from D1 to D2. Even tho his target is the same (Me). In D1 he said things like:

But a combo of that strategy and finding something "off" should get a slightly better result. Hence my vote for Traf.

For me it's Traf or Deg.

Traf because he jumped away from the BT.

Only Traf really wanted to avoid the BT, that is all we have after 6 days.

I do want to know the Traf situation however. Atm Its 10 % im right for sure.. but i believe its more like 18%..

I still have that feeling Traf is very invested in this game because he might be the Thing. And the argument saying "im not the Thing so a BT on me is a wasted one for town" is exactly what the Thing would say too..so sticking to that argument is the real bs.

And all of his post on D1 were like it. Always on me, but as you can see, saying it was more of hunch or just cause why not or whatever.

But on day 2:

Look Traf is the only player that made strange moves to me.

First he was active until his "lets not BT Pixar but somebody else" post.

Traf is always very calculated and wants to be sure on anything before he acts.

But he admitted later that he had no idea 'to be honest" who that other person to BT should be?

This is not Traf his style. Why would Traf say something like that "test somebody else" if he doesnt even know who that "somebody else is"?

It's by itself very unlike Traf. Saying "test somebody else" but not knowing who or why.

It does not make any sense to me Traf says something like this, unless its a strategy meaning he is the Thing and he wants to score good creds.

Then later on he had an emotial outburst. The only time i notice emotional outbursts on Traf is when he is about to lose a game..Why did he have that emotional outburst?

Then after that he went through different stages : being very silent, making fun of the comments (what is also a very good defence strategy) before finally sheeping behind Deg. Also he could have hammered me on the lynch vote but he did not.

I think he did not because he knows he would be hammering himself for BT on D2 that way.

And why would you be afraid of a BT?

Also, by elemination, i don't think the others are the Thing either.. And if you think 9 are not and it's only 10 players then..yes again it must be Traf.

For all these reasons i wanted to BT Traf today. It was a good choice to me: if he is The Thing we would have won and if he's not we have an experienced player that can plot the lines for D2.

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So we go with the Plan (with the designated names for D3 / D4 to be made today by Deg or tomorrow by the BT'one) or we dont go with the Plan but then we need to lynch today i say.

And i don't see the consensus on The Plan so Lets lynch Traf. And If im wrong you can lynch me tomorrow. Short and sweet.

vote Traf

Like if someone is town and you dont have real indo why would you say something like If "I'm wrong you can lynch me tomorrow" If you know you are town and you miss you gonna get 2 townies killed. Of course I dont expect Sonic to be all logical, but this is very silly to me.

I'll post about the others in another post as this has got too long.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

So is Sonic the recruiter - I don't think so. is he the converted one. Maybe.

If Sonic is the converted one I think the only player that would have converted Sonic is Charle. As u can see that he always agrees with Sonic, even when he does not make sense. My guess is they got to trust each other from the Tick game and maybe feel like this is a continuation or whatever.

Next on my list is EW. To sly and went from a more active role to a more passive one. perhaps trying to reduce spotlight on himself.

Votanic - I do think people like to look into flavour - I don't see nothing wrong with it as long as u know game its not the same as the original source. And Regian lying about the movie was something to look at. So I dont think its Votanic, but if Rag says its Votanic and can say its not out of spite, then might vote him.

Swang and Strike - Both not much intel but i trust them a bit more than the above.

Deg - No recruiter
Rag - town for today not recruiter.

[Extreme Ways]

I am hoping to have a good night's rest tonight and partake again in either 12h or 24h.

[Charle]

So is Sonic the recruiter - I don't think so. is he the converted one. Maybe.

If Sonic is the converted one I think the only player that would have converted Sonic is Charle. As u can see that he always agrees with Sonic, even when he does not make sense. My guess is they got to trust each other from the Tick game and maybe feel like this is a continuation or whatever.

Wow, that is really not true Traf, if you go back and look, in this game I mostly agreed with Strike and Swang, their posts made more sense to me than any of the others in this game. I am also new to this game, but I do not think Sonic is scum (he might be converted but not the Thing) and I can assure you I am definitely not. Welcome to BT me D3.

[SoN!c]

Sure I can give my insight into everyone.

Apologies last week for being absent, but was a quite a busy week for me. had 2 Concerts, had to do the planing for Clan League, and was last week before an election and unfortunatelly the outcome was not the best one. And also I was getting tired of all the nonsese.

Anyway, why am I voting Sonic? - Mainly 2 reasons: I think he has changed his playstyle a bit from D1 to D2. Even tho his target is the same (Me). In D1 he said things like:

But a combo of that strategy and finding something "off" should get a slightly better result. Hence my vote for Traf.

For me it's Traf or Deg.

Traf because he jumped away from the BT.

Only Traf really wanted to avoid the BT, that is all we have after 6 days.

I do want to know the Traf situation however. Atm Its 10 % im right for sure.. but i believe its more like 18%..

I still have that feeling Traf is very invested in this game because he might be the Thing. And the argument saying "im not the Thing so a BT on me is a wasted one for town" is exactly what the Thing would say too..so sticking to that argument is the real bs.

And all of his post on D1 were like it. Always on me, but as you can see, saying it was more of hunch or just cause why not or whatever.

But on day 2:

Look Traf is the only player that made strange moves to me.

First he was active until his "lets not BT Pixar but somebody else" post.

Traf is always very calculated and wants to be sure on anything before he acts.

But he admitted later that he had no idea 'to be honest" who that other person to BT should be?

This is not Traf his style. Why would Traf say something like that "test somebody else" if he doesnt even know who that "somebody else is"?

It's by itself very unlike Traf. Saying "test somebody else" but not knowing who or why.

It does not make any sense to me Traf says something like this, unless its a strategy meaning he is the Thing and he wants to score good creds.

Then later on he had an emotial outburst. The only time i notice emotional outbursts on Traf is when he is about to lose a game..Why did he have that emotional outburst?

Then after that he went through different stages : being very silent, making fun of the comments (what is also a very good defence strategy) before finally sheeping behind Deg. Also he could have hammered me on the lynch vote but he did not.

I think he did not because he knows he would be hammering himself for BT on D2 that way.

And why would you be afraid of a BT?

Also, by elemination, i don't think the others are the Thing either.. And if you think 9 are not and it's only 10 players then..yes again it must be Traf.

For all these reasons i wanted to BT Traf today. It was a good choice to me: if he is The Thing we would have won and if he's not we have an experienced player that can plot the lines for D2.

___

So we go with the Plan (with the designated names for D3 / D4 to be made today by Deg or tomorrow by the BT'one) or we dont go with the Plan but then we need to lynch today i say.

And i don't see the consensus on The Plan so Lets lynch Traf. And If im wrong you can lynch me tomorrow. Short and sweet.

vote Traf

Like if someone is town and you dont have real indo why would you say something like If "I'm wrong you can lynch me tomorrow" If you know you are town and you miss you gonna get 2 townies killed. Of course I dont expect Sonic to be all logical, but this is very silly to me.

I'll post about the others in another post as this has got too long.

What a lot of bs.. Im not the thing but im recruited? And your gonna vote for the recruit then instead of the recruiter..??? Huhuh. Smart Traf play.. "Changed playstyle a bit D1 / D2 but still voting Traf" makes you think im recruited??. Is that the best you can come up with? Either you lost your whits and became donkey dumb overnight or you just want to silence me up on D2 for pointing at you. You never searched for The Thing because you did not needed to search..

Also you said something real funny, you think im the thing or the recruit but you said

"Part of me want to be lynched just to see what Sonic says when he realize I'm town "

Now think on that: if you say this then you know im town and not the thing nor the recruited one ..

Its called a mistake Traf


"Part of me want to be lynched just to see what Sonic says when he realize I'm town "

If i would be the Thing this cant be true. And you said it like you know im town. Only the Thing knows who is town

[SoN!c]

Part of me want to be lynched just to see what Sonic says when he realize I'm town :lol

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You can't explain this any other way then knowing im town. So saying this and at the same time voting for me as The Thing/recruit can't be true.

[strike wolf]

My suggestion is we lynch traf. If he flips town, we vig Son!c. If he flips recruiter, we just need to look for the recruit, Dega and Vot still on my shortlist for that. I still have mixed feelings on EW and Swang but Swang has been feeling more townie to me recently.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Part of me want to be lynched just to see what Sonic says when he realize I'm town :lol

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You can't explain this any other way then knowing im town. So saying this and at the same time voting for me as The Thing/recruit can't be true.

Not really I got to the point where one of the following situations will bring me joy anyway.

Fact - I am town.

Scenario 1 - People lynch me I'm town and you are town and end up like a fool for pushing so much without 0 info but acting like you do.

Scenario 2 - People lynch me I'm town and you are one fo the bad guys. So u got away with a kill but at what price?

Scenario 3 - People lynch you and you flip town. Well this one would be the less unfortunate one but really getting tired here. so would not consider it great loss.

Scenario 4 - People Lynch you and you are one of the bad guys and I spotted it. This one is certainly best case scenario.

If you are town - then justify - "If I am wrong lynch me" - I know you will be wrong. So why you say this?

[SoN!c]

Part of me want to be lynched just to see what Sonic says when he realize I'm town :lol

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You can't explain this any other way then knowing im town. So saying this and at the same time voting for me as The Thing/recruit can't be true.

Not really I got to the point where one of the following situations will bring me joy anyway.

Fact - I am town.

Scenario 1 - People lynch me I'm town and you are town and end up like a fool for pushing so much without 0 info but acting like you do.

Scenario 2 - People lynch me I'm town and you are one fo the bad guys. So u got away with a kill but at what price?

Scenario 3 - People lynch you and you flip town. Well this one would be the less unfortunate one but really getting tired here. so would not consider it great loss.

Scenario 4 - People Lynch you and you are one of the bad guys and I spotted it. This one is certainly best case scenario.

If you are town - then justify - "If I am wrong lynch me" - I know you will be wrong. So why you say this?

So active all the sudden? How convenient

[SoN!c]

Do you want me to post the "Fact - I am town" aswell?


Fact - I am town.


This is the most dumb thing to say if you ask me. Why would you even say this when you have nothing to hide?


"Fact - I am town"

Hello? Does anybody want to say he is the Thing? Or do we all say " I am town" (without the "fact" part even)

[TrafalgarLaw01]

So you can't answer my question but instead keep posting nonsense

[SoN!c]

So you can't answer my question but instead keep posting nonsense

The 60% theory remember? I said posting the 60% theory is accepting being included in the 60% in order to exclude one steering it.

Its not nonsense. You are caught on saying contradictions..

And now your super active all the sudden?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

So you can't answer my question but instead keep posting nonsense

The 60% theory remember? I said posting the 60% theory is accepting being included in the 60% in order to exclude one steering it.

Its not nonsense. You are caught on saying contradictions..

And now your super active all the sudden?

Still can't answer the question?

[SoN!c]

So you can't answer my question but instead keep posting nonsense

The 60% theory remember? I said posting the 60% theory is accepting being included in the 60% in order to exclude one steering it.

Its not nonsense. You are caught on saying contradictions..

And now your super active all the sudden?

Still can't answer the question?

? I said posting the 60% theory is accepting being included in the 60% in order to exclude one steering it. That is your answer and that was explained D1 Traf, im sure you know like anybody else but you seem desperate to pretend you do not. Whats next? Your recruit confirming your side of it? Why so active all the sudden? Feeling the heat?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

So you can't answer my question but instead keep posting nonsense

The 60% theory remember? I said posting the 60% theory is accepting being included in the 60% in order to exclude one steering it.

Its not nonsense. You are caught on saying contradictions..

And now your super active all the sudden?

Still can't answer the question?

? I said posting the 60% theory is accepting being included in the 60% in order to exclude one steering it. That is your answer and that was explained D1 Traf, im sure you know like anybody else but you seem desperate to pretend you do not. Whats next? Your recruit confirming your side of it? Why so active all the sudden? Feeling the heat?

wtf are you on about thats it no answer to my question. so I will write it again.

[b]IF you are town - I know you don't have any power, at least not a gather intel power - Why would you say "If I am wrong lynch me" [/b]. cause if you happen to be wrong (And in this case you are) you would get 2 townies killed, can't you really see how stupid this strat is?

[swang918]

My suggestion is we lynch traf. If he flips town, we vig Son!c. If he flips recruiter, we just need to look for the recruit, Dega and Vot still on my shortlist for that. I still have mixed feelings on EW and Swang but Swang has been feeling more townie to me recently.

I like this plan. vigging sonic is a good thought

[swang918]

My suggestion is we lynch traf. If he flips town, we vig Son!c. If he flips recruiter, we just need to look for the recruit, Dega and Vot still on my shortlist for that. I still have mixed feelings on EW and Swang but Swang has been feeling more townie to me recently.

I like this plan. vigging sonic is a good thought

If traf flips town that is

[Votanic]

Votanic only because he becomes very aggressive when people vote against him. That sounds very scummy to me as well.

Thank you for replying with your reason, Charle. Once again, to my chagrin, I seem to be rubbing people the wrong way. I actually thought of myself as playing in a light-heartedm fun manner, with joking, flavor chat, etc... but this does not seem to be how am I perceived. So even though explaining the joke also kill the jokes, I will try to be a responsible town citizen and tone it down a bit.

I definitely think I accidentally pissed off Ragian, first by talking about flavor and then catching him in a lie (probably an inconsequential white lie). That is why he replies like this...

I have been off for most of my life. You can't expect me not to be goaded by unfounded arrogance and misrepresentation.

Maybe I'm not getting his sense of humor, but calling me arrogant an misrepresenting just sounds like he feels like I insulted him somehow...

Even that exchange I had with Strikewolf was meant to come off as a joke, not real anger. It just seemed funny to me that he implied I wasn't even good enough for the Thing to convert me.

Lesson learned: Irony/sarcasm/camp is hard enough to convey in regular online forum chat, in mafia/cult games it may be almost impossible.

Here is another example of humor gone awry that does not involve myself:

Part of me want to be lynched just to see what Sonic says when he realize I'm town :lol

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You can't explain this any other way then knowing im town. So saying this and at the same time voting for me as The Thing/recruit can't be true.

To me, that just comes off as some dry humor, on Traf's part. Besides, we all will often address other people as town even though have doubts.
Additionally, in the case of Sonic, the criticism he has earned as a bad townie is at least equal to that of being potential scum.
I've already admitted I'm voting for him without being 100% that he is a Thing, but unless more solid evidence is presented that directs me elsewhere, he remains my best bet.

So basically if a player doesn't want to be perceived as scum he should never: 1) be among the the loudest 20%, 2) nor among the quietest 20%, 3) tell jokes, 4) talk about flavor, or 5) get into spats with other players, playfully or otherwise. The irony (that again) of all this, is that the Thing probably knows this better than any of us and never does any of these supposed scum-tells.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

My suggestion is we lynch traf. If he flips town, we vig Son!c. If he flips recruiter, we just need to look for the recruit, Dega and Vot still on my shortlist for that. I still have mixed feelings on EW and Swang but Swang has been feeling more townie to me recently.

Oh if you are gonna lynch me don't take the pleassure away from me by vigi Sonic. I want him to mumble things when he sees he is wrong.
So perhaps he learns how to play mafia in the future.

[Ragian]

Sorry guys. I'm ill. I can't wrap my head around this just now. Gimme a day or two. I'm not caught up.

@DDS, I'd appreciate it if any deadline wasn't in the beginning of the week. I need a tiny bit of time.

[SoN!c]

My suggestion is we lynch traf. If he flips town, we vig Son!c. If he flips recruiter, we just need to look for the recruit, Dega and Vot still on my shortlist for that. I still have mixed feelings on EW and Swang but Swang has been feeling more townie to me recently.

Oh if you are gonna lynch me don't take the pleassure away from me by vigi Sonic. I want him to mumble things when he sees he is wrong.
So perhaps he learns how to play mafia in the future.

You say you noticed a small change in my play style D1 to D2 and that makes you think im recruited (while still going for you)?. First of all, we are looking for the original Thing, not the recruit so why lynching me if you think im just the recruit? Doesn't make sense if your town.

Then how about your change in play style D1/D2? Being on the defensive for so long, not searching for the Thing once, being so absent and quiet after your emotional outburst.. Only Now, when Charle, Strike are thinking to lynch you and Swang already voted to do it, you get superactive all the sudden trying to deflect the lynch on me "as the recruit". Because you know you can't sell it as being the Thing.

You already admitted you don't think im the Thing so no need to say it's not true.

So is Sonic the recruiter - I don't think so. is he the converted one. Maybe.

by TrafalgarLaw01 on Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:04 pm

Just scroll a few post above and read it yourselve.

You keep making little mistakes like saying "a part of me want to be lynched so SoN!c can see he is wrong" adding the smily to sell it more. But saying this means you know im town.
If i was the Thing or recruit that would not be the case. Me "mumble things when i see im wrong" (your quote) can only be true if im town..

But your voting for me so if that is a genuine vote (and a true vote) you must think/believe im the Thing. You would not say " I want him to mumble things when he sees he is wrong." at the same time.



Next mistake:

How could you noticed this small change in my playstyle if you haven't been reading all comments? Being so quiet the entire time??

Pix, Deg were quiet because they were absent. It was clear they did not read all the posts upon return, just a very fast scroll trough at most..

But you were as much silent as them (looking absent) but in your "absence" you noticed this very small change in my playstyle D1/D2??

Your heavily invested in this game Traf, hence the emotional outburst. And now saying you noticed the small change in my playstyle (which is true by the way, just like in the tick switching on D4). That can only mean you have been reading every post thorough the entire time.. But you stayed on the defensive, staying quiet the entire time looking "absent" to others. Why is that? Is that because you want to find the Thing??

is it? Staying so silent and quiet is your way to find the Thing?

I say it's hiding as The Thing

[Extreme Ways]

Ok I'm back later than I said I would, I'll catch up and also put a vote somewhere in the next 1-2 days depending on how I feel about the votes. If you have any questions directed to me, best to put them below this.

[Extreme Ways]

Great job Ragian, you've taken your dumb vendetta against me all the way to a lynch vote...
...and look who is the first person to jump on your bandwagon...Sonic!!!

Hopefully you're feeling a little embarassed right now.

Man, you and EW seem to defend each other like crazy.

Votanic: it was agreed we would follow the BT one if he tested negative

I have plenty qualms with Votanic's posts, but a large part of Rag vs Votanic feels personal and not game-related to me. Feel free to pair me with Votanic for today though, just remember that tomorrow everything changes again.

I still much prefer a Traf lynch. Or heck, a Sonic lynch. Guess who's laughing on the sidelines?

Tomorrow we are dead and you know it..at least your searching..

The lynch D2 is last call in the last chance saloon.

fyi I wasnt meaning you, but Traf with this comment.

Oh Dear. U still continue have 0 proofs but just are shoehorned.

I have given my list of suspects. And I actually eblieve you slightly changed D1 to D2 game play.

I am willing to Lynch Sonic (As jsut mentioned I thing he went for a more aggressive D2 playstile), Charle (Jumping into every bandwagon) or even EW (I agree with strike the thing might try to recruit a smart player) All of them voted for Rag and I think the thing or the converted or both voted for someone to BT as they need it in order to not being bted themselves. I don't think Votanic is the thing but if deadline approach and rag have more insight on him then I might lynch him

It's really difficult to have proof in a mafia game unless there's a confirmed cop.

I also want to say my 2c on the "who would a recruiter recruit". I've been thinking a bit more about it. The entirety of day 1 we have discussed whom of the more experienced players we should BT, and Sonic even came up with his game-solving masterstrat (wording not mine) involving planned BTs among the more experienced and active people. For a recruiter it would make sense imo to recruit a less-experienced player who is less likely to be BTd on night 1, and for night 2 to recruit Dega or Rag.

Hmm I wonder if sonic vs votanic is the Thing and recruit doing a misdirection song and dance? Probably not right? I got to be overthinking it

Vot disagreed a lot with Son!c from day 1. So recruit, recruiter, town that at least has been consistent.

This also could have been a reason to recruit the other, and playing this up to maintain credibilty. Probably overthinking it thuogh, esp with Sonic in the mix.

This is my second mafia game. I learned in the first game that the downside of searching means you get suspected BIG TIME. Got no problem there as im confident i can explain all my actions when needed.
ALSO, not searching is achieving nothing in my book..

But: the n1 question is: does searching outweighs confusing town? Searching (rubbing / scratching) IS attracting a lot of heat..and confuses town a lot apparently.. like Swang and Strike's latest post..

What is the alternative? Not searching , rubbing it and coasting along? Not posting for days/weeks?

That is mostly a you problem tbf. Genuine scumhunting attempts with solid reasoning will help you be read town in most books, like strike. Confusing town on purpose is just not being part of town, and will attract more heat.

I actually agree with Strike. Traf, can you also please just let us know why you never participated to any BT or Lynch Votes? That is my only reason why you are on my scummy list.

EW because he tried very hard to move the BT vote away from him.

Votanic only because he becomes very aggressive when people vote against him. That sounds very scummy to me as well.

The rest of the guys seems Town to me so far.

A bummer this post was after strike had already posted but this is a good post imo, takes a strong stance even if I disagree with plenty of it.
- Highlights Traf's absence in actual participation
- At the same time, mentions me again to not have town forget about me
- also mentions votanic again.

Now I'm town, so of course I want to move the BT vote away from myself. Re: votanic it made me isolate Votanic's posts to see if I agree. I think Vota's been aggressive regardless of whether he was voted or not today and it reads like a "wants it more" when people disagree with his reasoning. Scummy? Don't think so. I also like viewtopic.php?f=213&t=240263&p=5305060#p5305060 even if not all of it has content (ie his opinion on strike, but it's an agreed upon opinion).

Also, @ everyone involved so far, please keep it nice. We're playing a game and in-game behaviour and feelings are different from out-of-game behaviour.

So is Sonic the recruiter - I don't think so. is he the converted one. Maybe.

If Sonic is the converted one I think the only player that would have converted Sonic is Charle. As u can see that he always agrees with Sonic, even when he does not make sense. My guess is they got to trust each other from the Tick game and maybe feel like this is a continuation or whatever.

Next on my list is EW. To sly and went from a more active role to a more passive one. perhaps trying to reduce spotlight on himself.

Votanic - I do think people like to look into flavour - I don't see nothing wrong with it as long as u know game its not the same as the original source. And Regian lying about the movie was something to look at. So I dont think its Votanic, but if Rag says its Votanic and can say its not out of spite, then might vote him.

Swang and Strike - Both not much intel but i trust them a bit more than the above.

Deg - No recruiter
Rag - town for today not recruiter.

Valid thought but I did announce my absence and it's flu season. Wish me well instead of redirecting towards an inactive player!

Part of me want to be lynched just to see what Sonic says when he realize I'm town :lol

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You can't explain this any other way then knowing im town. So saying this and at the same time voting for me as The Thing/recruit can't be true.

This is... true and also seems very tunneled from Sonic. I'm not sure if this is an actual Traf mistake, Sonic grasping at straws and making this bigger than it is, or both. Traf responded to it in depth rather than ignoring it, so I think it's either 1 or 3.

Sorry guys. I'm ill. I can't wrap my head around this just now. Gimme a day or two. I'm not caught up.

@DDS, I'd appreciate it if any deadline wasn't in the beginning of the week. I need a tiny bit of time.

Get well soon
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Remainder of the thread is Sonic v Traf w/ the occasional sensible post from swang, votanic, strike.

Now where does that put me? Sonic and Traf have both been on my list of suspects, Sonic doubly so because he likes to confuse town. I think "lynch traf and if he's wrong vig sonic" is a fine move.