Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

by **StorrZerg** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:38 am

those of you that don't have a vote out... wtf is going on in your head? please place a vote...

by **Streaker** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:57 am

Ok that was a LOT of catching up for 2 days.

My feelings about what is going on right now could be summarized shortly:

I feel that we are overcomplicating things. Not saying this discussion is worthless, au contrair. However, I find it amazing that there is so little interest in lynching the lovers right now... And I'm not even talking specifically Ultra here. Can everyone just take a step back, and look at this from another perspective? We have THREE friggin claimed lover pairs. Let me say that again, THREE.
First of all, this needs to be verified. Chances are still that mafia is trying to pull something here (little chance though). What is certain is that at least 2 of the lovers are showing some very noticable inconsistencies. Not gonna repeat the whole discussion here, but i'm talking specifically about Ultra and dd. While I feel that dd is playing much better then PYP mafia, there are still things that don't add up.

For the sake of information and clarity, it should be pretty obvious that it will be either one of these 2 that should be lynched today. In case of Ultra lynch I'd like to ask virus to NOT protect him. @Virus, if you protect him we lose the information that we're looking for.

With what we gain from lynching these guys, we can go to D2 and start putting up the pressure on AoG. This guy is taking up the third spot in my top 3 scum read. I agree with wolf that we need to look into Storr D2 as well.

by **Zivel** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:30 am

Streaker wrote:
For the sake of information and clarity, it should be pretty obvious that it will be either one of these 2 that should be lynched today. In case of Ultra lynch I'd like to ask virus to NOT protect him. @Virus, if you protect him we lose the information that we're looking for.

And so sack two townies? WTF?

by **dd515087** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:36 am

StorrZerg wrote:
That depends on your interpretation of the DD case. I would assume there is probably a scum on it whether DD is town or scum. The fact of the matter is though, DD's claim doesn't seem to match up with the flavor of other roles in the game. I know you don't like going by flavor but flavor in a claim that does not fit the game is a legitimate method of identifying a fake claim. As far as the people on that wagon, I would agree with Mtam right now that AoG has been very scummy and I am getting to the point where I expect him to flip scum regardless of what DD flips. As far as the Zivel statement, I am willing to accept that answer.

Incorrect, his flavor does match. Since its julia x romeo or w/e that was pointed out. It seemed like it didn't match at first. and while your right flavor on claims can have benefits, its more often than not due to error on mod for the claim being weak. Thus, not something that the player has done to indicate their scummy behavior. So with that strike, those pushing DD for the claim, who was actually pushing because they thought dd5 was scum.

Be specific. Because his ideas really did seem to go off of yours, even a lot of the ones that you had expressly said and "you respond to things as if you hadn't seen the new information and then also respond to the new information on top of that. Makes you seem like you're adding stuff to make your posts very long so that people will just skim through" might as well have been a quote from you.

What else is there to be specific about??? dd5 straight up sheeping my reads, or coming up with them on their own doesn't matter compared to what pcm was doing. The difference is, he responded to a new post, which no one else responded to. PCM was responding to stuff in the thread, that largely had all ready been addressed. You really are grasping at the last bit.

Uhh not sure, may be forgetting something, but your reads on me went from town to sketch to me sheeping your posts real quick. Like faster than a Veyron (bugatti's fastest for anyone who doesn't know...).
The only thing you have going for you IMO storr is the amount of posts you have, content is iffy. You seem scummy except that you have too many posts to be "laying low". Which in turn is an argumetn for/against me... I realize that. I am not an expert at mafia. This is maybe my 5th game. Like I know that's no excuse in this game, but if my post seem inconsistent (yes i said inconsistent posts were a scumtell earlier,,,) but oh well. I dont really give a shit at this point. Lynch me for all I care. You lose 2 town. Doesn't hurt me, one less thing I have to give a shit about. Your mess, not mine.
I tried to respond to PCM's posts earlier, but I took too long and it logged me out and deleted everything. I will respond to PCM's comments on me when I'm sober and care

Wow... Just previewed that shit and it makes little to no sense... Total drunk post (it is a Friday night after all). I want to post this either way. If you can't follow it just ask me to clarify it. PCM I'll get back to on your comments tomorrow

by **Streaker** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:51 am

Zivel wrote:
Streaker wrote:
For the sake of information and clarity, it should be pretty obvious that it will be either one of these 2 that should be lynched today. In case of Ultra lynch I'd like to ask virus to NOT protect him. @Virus, if you protect him we lose the information that we're looking for.

And so sack two townies? WTF?

You have proof they are town? Because they are my top 2 scum.

by **Zivel** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:59 am

Streaker wrote:
Zivel wrote:
Streaker wrote:
For the sake of information and clarity, it should be pretty obvious that it will be either one of these 2 that should be lynched today. In case of Ultra lynch I'd like to ask virus to NOT protect him. @Virus, if you protect him we lose the information that we're looking for.

And so sack two townies? WTF?

You have proof they are town? Because they are my top 2 scum.

If virus can sacrifice himself for ultra then he is town. So he should save him always cause that will confirm ultra town. Not saving him will kill them both.

by **mtamburini** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:02 am

When is day over and why isn't aog lynched yet.

by **anamainiacks** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:13 am

The main 3 cases we seem to have right now are on AoG, Ultra and dd.

Between Ultra/virus and dd, I believe dd's claim more than I believe Ultra's.

dd
dd's Lover/Mason inconsistency with the rest regarding the night talk does fit the his claimed character, and the commuter claim not only fits his character, but is verifiable.

I do realise that dd could've well be scum provided with a fakeclaim, but a commuter role is rarely scum-aligned, so if we are able to verify his role claim, it should also clear him as town and not a possible Mafia Commuter.

Flavourwise, it's already been established that Romeo x Juliet is an existing manga, so I don't think it's a valid argument there. The inconsistencies from the source material (regarding Tybalt especially) are a valid concern, but unless everyone can confirm that their role PMs bear no inconsistencies from the source material, then there is a decent possibility that the mod did modify it or made a mistake with it to give some logic to a commuter as an assigned role. If he were using it as a fakeclaim, I don't think he would've added superfluous information about Tybalt when he claimed his role. I do understand that scum do make mistakes, but at this point I don't believe this to be one.

I just realised something though - commuters are usually X-shot commuters, since it'd be unfair to let them commute every night, with no night actions being able to affect them. dd hasn't told us anything about X-shot or anything along those lines. Why would he be hiding such information? Did he not fakeclaim properly?

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Ultras
My issue with Ultra is that he has not been forthcoming with information, and I find it hard to believe that he has no other abilities other than his Lover/Mason ability. It strikes me as an inconsistency more pertinent than dd's night-only discrepancy. His play has been scummy from the start, since advocating the NL, and there has been some rash, erratic and confusing play on his part when he claimed and even advocated a lynch on himself.

He did, however, seem to pull a decent case together on dd when he was asked to defend himself instead of asking virus to take the bullet for him. Doesn't clear him as scum, since scum would definitely be trying to start cases on others when they're under pressure as well, but at least he started to get his act together. He still strikes me as the scummiest between the 3 lover pairs.

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AoG
Reading through his posts again, it does seem he's very fixated with Ultras. He first declared that "Ultra is giving me the strongest townie read", then later placed his vote on Ultras, acknowledging "I know I'm flipping on my town read from Ultra before, but it wasn't terribly strong."

After the Lover/Mason claim, he then removes his vote, saying, "I'm gonna invite [sic] because right now out of the 3 lover pairs, ultra and virus seem the least possible for scum." Which is crappy reasoning, because I do believe it was mentioned repeatedly why Zivel coming out with his claim made the least sense between the 3 pairs. That said, AoG has been known to stubbornly stick to flawed reasoning despite being told otherwise (see: NL vote on D1), so it doesn't make it a strong scumtell for me, though it does still make him lean scum at this point.

He also makes a long post (viewtopic.php?f=213&t=208245&start=450#p4580526) which seems like it might have lots of content, but in essence he's just summarising (or restating, since it was far from short) the situation of the Mason/Lovers. Seems to be fluff to pretend that he's contributing to the game.

He then (finally) substantiates why he believes Ultra/virus aren't scum:

Army of GOD wrote:Virus came out as ultra's lover AFTER you [Zivel] and dd both claimed lover so that doesn't make any sense. Virus willingly threw his name out there.

And even because you counterclaimed him, it doesn't mean squat. Scum could very easily " claim" lover while not being so. Hell, I could claim lover right now and no one would know (not actually claiming, just making a point).

Virus put his name out there when he KNEW there was a ton of pressure on ultra. That's an extremely stupid play if he's scum and I don't think anyone is that stupid.

Virus putting his name out there as scum wouldn't be stupid if they indeed are scum lovers. If Ultras is under fire, he needed to do what he could as scum to verify Ultras' claim and hope that the pressure on them would be removed. And the fact that AoG has no problem seeing both sides of the town/scum coin for Zivel and dd, but NOT for Ultras/virus, is suspicious.

He later places his vote for dd, which isn't very substantiated:

Army of GOD wrote:Mine's from a manga too.

I've said that I think we should try to lynch either Zivel or dd so this is an easy choice for me: vote dd5

again, my reasoning is that I don't think ultra/virus is scum and I find it unlikely that there are 3 pairs of lovers with 0 scum, so either Zivel or dd would likely be scum.

Nowhere before or after this has he made a push on either Zivel or dd, and nowhere has he stated why he finds Zivel more town than dd. Even if he had ruled out Ultra/virus from his scumdar, some effort should've been made by him to decide whether to vote for Zivel or dd - but there is none of that.

I guess we could infer that his vote was because it wasn't thought that dd's character came from a manga, but he could've stated that explicitly. It's also now been shown that Romeo is from a manga, so his reasoning is now void, but yet he still has kept his vote on dd. This now seems scummy. I also note that AoG's vote on dd was the 4th of 4 votes currently on dd. So it seems like he saw that a wagon on one of the two lover pairs was forming (started by the one he blindly trusts, Ultras), and conveniently jumped onto it. Highly suspicious.

Also, looking at the current vote count, half of the 4 votes on dd are from Ultra and AoG. Maybe there is a connection between them after all? Perhaps, but not necessarily so.

He has not provided reads on ANYONE throughout the entire game other than Ultras. When he was questioned about not making reads on Zivel/dd, his response was:

Army of GOD wrote:I'm staying away from making reads because I know I'm shiite at them. Compared to most of the players here I have very minimal experience. To be honest I'm trying not to act like an idiot, but I think that ship has sailed already.

Even after being called out for it, he makes no attempt to give reads on others.

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Overall, the 3 of them are definitely on my scumdar - but dd is considerably lower on it than Ultra or AoG for me.

I understand why people are pushing for us to lynch one of the lovers, but I do think the night actions and investigative roles can help us get some information regarding that whole grey area. AoG, on the other hand, strikes me as especially scummy.

I can see AoG either as
A. scum trying to blindly defend his scum buddies Ultra & virus, or as
B. scum trying to gain town cred when Ultra is lynched and virus (who will take the bullet for Ultra) flips town.
If AoG is town, then I have no idea why he has decided to completely rule out the possibility that Ultra/virus are scum and to side with them. His play makes little sense as town.

So, I am going to vote Army of GOD.

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@mtam Those comments of yours aren't helping the game at all. I have no idea what you're hoping to achieve by repeating the same thing over and over without bringing anything up to substantiate your push.

by **mtamburini** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:44 am

Well when I get asked the same question I repeat the same answer. I do not need to write a 3 paragraph story to get my point across

by **StorrZerg** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:06 am

dd515087 wrote:
StorrZerg wrote:
That depends on your interpretation of the DD case. I would assume there is probably a scum on it whether DD is town or scum. The fact of the matter is though, DD's claim doesn't seem to match up with the flavor of other roles in the game. I know you don't like going by flavor but flavor in a claim that does not fit the game is a legitimate method of identifying a fake claim. As far as the people on that wagon, I would agree with Mtam right now that AoG has been very scummy and I am getting to the point where I expect him to flip scum regardless of what DD flips. As far as the Zivel statement, I am willing to accept that answer.

Incorrect, his flavor does match. Since its julia x romeo or w/e that was pointed out. It seemed like it didn't match at first. and while your right flavor on claims can have benefits, its more often than not due to error on mod for the claim being weak. Thus, not something that the player has done to indicate their scummy behavior. So with that strike, those pushing DD for the claim, who was actually pushing because they thought dd5 was scum.

Be specific. Because his ideas really did seem to go off of yours, even a lot of the ones that you had expressly said and "you respond to things as if you hadn't seen the new information and then also respond to the new information on top of that. Makes you seem like you're adding stuff to make your posts very long so that people will just skim through" might as well have been a quote from you.

What else is there to be specific about??? dd5 straight up sheeping my reads, or coming up with them on their own doesn't matter compared to what pcm was doing. The difference is, he responded to a new post, which no one else responded to. PCM was responding to stuff in the thread, that largely had all ready been addressed. You really are grasping at the last bit.

Uhh not sure, may be forgetting something, but your reads on me went from town to sketch to me sheeping your posts real quick. Like faster than a Veyron (bugatti's fastest for anyone who doesn't know...).
The only thing you have going for you IMO storr is the amount of posts you have, content is iffy. You seem scummy except that you have too many posts to be "laying low". Which in turn is an argumetn for/against me... I realize that. I am not an expert at mafia. This is maybe my 5th game. Like I know that's no excuse in this game, but if my post seem inconsistent (yes i said inconsistent posts were a scumtell earlier,,,) but oh well. I dont really give a shit at this point. Lynch me for all I care. You lose 2 town. Doesn't hurt me, one less thing I have to give a shit about. Your mess, not mine.
I tried to respond to PCM's posts earlier, but I took too long and it logged me out and deleted everything. I will respond to PCM's comments on me when I'm sober and care

Wow... Just previewed that shit and it makes little to no sense... Total drunk post (it is a Friday night after all). I want to post this either way. If you can't follow it just ask me to clarify it. PCM I'll get back to on your comments tomorrow

idk what you have been smoking dd5, if anything the reads went from you sketch as f*ck to leaning town. Hence, you should also be looking at my actions, regarding you, do you see me pushing you? how about defending you?

by **StorrZerg** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:10 am

Streaker wrote:
Zivel wrote:
Streaker wrote:
For the sake of information and clarity, it should be pretty obvious that it will be either one of these 2 that should be lynched today. In case of Ultra lynch I'd like to ask virus to NOT protect him. @Virus, if you protect him we lose the information that we're looking for.

And so sack two townies? WTF?

You have proof they are town? Because they are my top 2 scum.

could you explain what information you will get upon the result of an ultra lynch? Since if virus protects ultra, virus dies. so i'm not sure what information you plan on vetting to possibly have them both die.

by **StorrZerg** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:11 am

mtamburini wrote:When is day over and why isn't aog lynched yet.

because 5+ people haven't voted.

by **Army of GOD** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:20 am

anamainiacks wrote:He then (finally) substantiates why he believes Ultra/virus aren't scum:
Army of GOD wrote:Virus came out as ultra's lover AFTER you [Zivel] and dd both claimed lover so that doesn't make any sense. Virus willingly threw his name out there.

And even because you counterclaimed him, it doesn't mean squat. Scum could very easily " claim" lover while not being so. Hell, I could claim lover right now and no one would know (not actually claiming, just making a point).

Virus put his name out there when he KNEW there was a ton of pressure on ultra. That's an extremely stupid play if he's scum and I don't think anyone is that stupid.

Virus putting his name out there as scum wouldn't be stupid if they indeed are scum lovers. If Ultras is under fire, he needed to do what he could as scum to verify Ultras' claim and hope that the pressure on them would be removed. And the fact that AoG has no problem seeing both sides of the town/scum coin for Zivel and dd, but NOT for Ultras/virus, is suspicious.

I don't see how virus throwing his name out there isn't a stupid play if he's scum. Ultra was INCHES away from being lynched D1. If we ended up getting him and he flipped scum then its obvious that virus was scum too and he'd die D2. That would pretty much spell game over with two scum gone in two days. I honestly don't understand how you don't get that its not stupid.

He later places his vote for dd, which isn't very substantiated:
Army of GOD wrote:Mine's from a manga too.

I've said that I think we should try to lynch either Zivel or dd so this is an easy choice for me: vote dd5

again, my reasoning is that I don't think ultra/virus is scum and I find it unlikely that there are 3 pairs of lovers with 0 scum, so either Zivel or dd would likely be scum.

Nowhere before or after this has he made a push on either Zivel or dd, and nowhere has he stated why he finds Zivel more town than dd. Even if he had ruled out Ultra/virus from his scumdar, some effort should've been made by him to decide whether to vote for Zivel or dd - but there is none of that.

I guess we could infer that his vote was because it wasn't thought that dd's character came from a manga, but he could've stated that explicitly. It's also now been shown that Romeo is from a manga, so his reasoning is now void, but yet he still has kept his vote on dd. This now seems scummy. I also note that AoG's vote on dd was the 4th of 4 votes currently on dd. So it seems like he saw that a wagon on one of the two lover pairs was forming (started by the one he blindly trusts, Ultras), and conveniently jumped onto it. Highly suspicious.

What? I don't understand how to explain my vote on did more clearly.

1. I am guessing one lover pair is scum
2. I don't think ultra/virus are scum
3. Therefore I think either Zivel or dd is scum
4. Granted, I never stated it, but I did think Zivel was less scummy than did
5. There was a wagon on did, since I think he's the scum lover pair, I'm going tovote him

He has not provided reads on ANYONE throughout the entire game other than Ultras. When he was questioned about not making reads on Zivel/dd, his response was:
Army of GOD wrote:I'm staying away from making reads because I know I'm shiite at them. Compared to most of the players here I have very minimal experience. To be honest I'm trying not to act like an idiot, but I think that ship has sailed already.

Even after being called out for it, he makes no attempt to give reads on others.

Because I know I'm gonna get hit with the "oh that's scummy because he's just pandering to the town" or whatever

I can see AoG either as
A. scum trying to blindly defend his scum buddies Ultra & virus, or as
B. scum trying to gain town cred when Ultra is lynched and virus (who will take the bullet for Ultra) flips town.
If AoG is town, then I have no idea why he has decided to completely rule out the possibility that Ultra/virus are scum and to side with them. His play makes little sense as town.

I never completely ruled it out. Why do you think I ruled it out? Just because I think they're not scum doesn't mean I'm going to put money on it. Hell, I could say the same thing about you? Why have you completely decided to rule out Zivel and did as scum? Oh wait, you haven't? Good, because neither have I.

by **Army of GOD** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:23 am

Army of GOD wrote:
anamainiacks wrote:He then (finally) substantiates why he believes Ultra/virus aren't scum:
Army of GOD wrote:Virus came out as ultra's lover AFTER you [Zivel] and dd both claimed lover so that doesn't make any sense. Virus willingly threw his name out there.

And even because you counterclaimed him, it doesn't mean squat. Scum could very easily " claim" lover while not being so. Hell, I could claim lover right now and no one would know (not actually claiming, just making a point).

Virus put his name out there when he KNEW there was a ton of pressure on ultra. That's an extremely stupid play if he's scum and I don't think anyone is that stupid.

Virus putting his name out there as scum wouldn't be stupid if they indeed are scum lovers. If Ultras is under fire, he needed to do what he could as scum to verify Ultras' claim and hope that the pressure on them would be removed. And the fact that AoG has no problem seeing both sides of the town/scum coin for Zivel and dd, but NOT for Ultras/virus, is suspicious.

I don't see how virus throwing his name out there isn't a stupid play if he's scum. Ultra was INCHES away from being lynched D1. If we ended up getting him and he flipped scum then its obvious that virus was scum too and he'd die D2. That would pretty much spell game over with two scum gone in two days. I honestly don't understand how you don't get that its not stupid.

I meant "stupid" not [not stupid".

Too many negstives.

Anyway, I'm getting the feeling that I should claim

by **Army of GOD** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:39 am

Also, and I can't stress this enough, how come everyone is just pushing aside mtam's stupidity from the last few pages? He proved he has just skimmed and has literally added nothing to the conversation. He has just been barking over his obsession about lynching me but its gonna be funny when I die and flip town.

by **mtamburini** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:15 am

Army of GOD wrote:Also, and I can't stress this enough, how come everyone is just pushing aside mtam's stupidity from the last few pages? He proved he has just skimmed and has literally added nothing to the conversation. He has just been barking over his obsession about lynching me but its gonna be funny when I die and flip town.

It won't be funny because your not town and if you are your a useless one this game you have not given many reads and upon me applying pressure to you your responses has been piss poor.

Sure you can accuse me of skimming I'm not gonna read 20 pages of novels written by everyone. I knew one of virus / ultra could save eachother of one was lynched or killed which was the general idea of what was talked about during that time.

by **Army of GOD** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:21 am

mtamburini wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:Also, and I can't stress this enough, how come everyone is just pushing aside mtam's stupidity from the last few pages? He proved he has just skimmed and has literally added nothing to the conversation. He has just been barking over his obsession about lynching me but its gonna be funny when I die and flip town.

It won't be funny because your not town and if you are your a useless one this game you have not given many reads and upon me applying pressure to you your responses has been piss poor.

Sure you can accuse me of skimming I'm not gonna read 20 pages of novels written by everyone. I knew one of virus / ultra could save eachother of one was lynched or killed which was the general idea of what was talked about during that time.

No you didn't, you thought ultra could revive anyone (which is totally wrong becuae its only virus and he can only save ultra)

mtamburini wrote:
Heres the thing, lets combine logic then. We shall lynch AOG if he flips town then ultra can revive him to prove themselves. Although this says nothing about virus we know that ultra will be telling the truth.

(May have got the names wrong but one of them claimed to be a reviver right?

by **mtamburini** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:57 am

And that's the general idea of what happened, someone could prevent the other from dying. Thanks for showing everyone that I had the general idea down that someone could save another. My last sentence there shows I wasn't sure who claimed the time but I knew one of them could save someone I just assumed it could be anyone and would be there mason partner cuz they are town to eachother.

by **StorrZerg** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:29 pm

Army of GOD wrote:Also, and I can't stress this enough, how come everyone is just pushing aside mtam's stupidity from the last few pages? He proved he has just skimmed and has literally added nothing to the conversation. He has just been barking over his obsession about lynching me but its gonna be funny when I die and flip town.

him being stupid isn't alignment indicative imo.

case and point last game. incredibly stupid, yet town

by **StorrZerg** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:30 pm

Aog its very likely you are the lynch today fyi. I assume day ends in under 6 hours

by **Army of GOD** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:36 pm

StorrZerg wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:Also, and I can't stress this enough, how come everyone is just pushing aside mtam's stupidity from the last few pages? He proved he has just skimmed and has literally added nothing to the conversation. He has just been barking over his obsession about lynching me but its gonna be funny when I die and flip town.

him being stupid isn't alignment indicative imo.

case and point last game. incredibly stupid, yet town

But its not stupidity. He is obviously skimming and doesn't add any content yet that is what I'm getting lynched for.

Oh well. My name is Katsuragi Mayuko and I'm a town bus.

by **StorrZerg** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:37 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
StorrZerg wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:Also, and I can't stress this enough, how come everyone is just pushing aside mtam's stupidity from the last few pages? He proved he has just skimmed and has literally added nothing to the conversation. He has just been barking over his obsession about lynching me but its gonna be funny when I die and flip town.

him being stupid isn't alignment indicative imo.

case and point last game. incredibly stupid, yet town

But its not stupidity. He is obviously skimming and doesn't add any content yet that is what I'm getting lynched for.

Oh well. My name is Katsuragi Mayuko and I'm a town bus.

Cool we can lynch this guy!

by **UltrasPlot** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:42 pm

I get mtam's point on AoG and his claim is rather scummy... Townie Busdriver, but it is plausible given that this game is very very non-vanilla. However, mtam is being rather blunt about it... is there the possibility of mtam being a Lyncher against AoG? I still think dd should be the lynch given how his role looked simple af to fake, commuter only shields him from night actions for a day... mafia could just safeguard him. Anyways, in my eye either dd or AoG are scum, since they're directly trying to get each other lynched. dd's play seems opportunistic - jumping on every single safe wagon. Keep an eye on him, I believe he's a suitable D2 lynch candidate, if he's not dead today.

Storr, why does this mean he's a safe lynch? Assuming he can busdrive mafia off the lovers he may well be valuable.

by **HotShot53** on Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:15 pm

I'm about to head out, so this will be my last post of the day... I still think ultra is the best choice for a lynch, but AoG is looking like a good second choice now. I wouldn't be surprised about a town busdriver in a non-vanilla game, but is still more likely a scum role. I did a google search for "Katsuragi Mayuko" and nothing came up... did you get a reference what manga it was from?

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if both ultra/virus and AoG were scum. I would think dd is more likely town.

A vote count would be nice... I will try to check in later if one is posted, and will switch my vote to AoG if dd is in danger of being lynched and AoG has more votes than ultra.