[Exp] CYOC! #4 Endgame! Town wins, you filthy animals

[Metsfanmax]

You have a point. I wasn't really considering night actions. A lot of it depends on how strong he considers JOAT (Many consider it more mid-tier than high tier) or if they wanted to go after known quantities or unknown (Likely in this case, eliminating an SK would be higher priority)

I don't consider JOAT high-tier, there are other main roles I'd rather kill if I could -- but it's a pretty solid role to target, versus the chance of a complete unknown. Especially in this game when it was always going to be likely that weird things were going to happen. OK, so I'll concede that maybe someone else would have made a different choice from me -- but it's at least weak evidence that IB's not scum.

Though this does bring a thought, Would IB as mafia let End live? Night 1 sure. Let him be a potential mislynch tomorrow but N2? It was a bit clearer by the end of D2 that it was really too late in the game to expect End to be lynched by town and with him being a possible SK/gifter that made him a bigger target. I mean even as a believed Gifter, I can't see town lifting a finger to protect a third party.

I'm not sure. I think IB was pretty convinced End was the gifter, more so than most, and I think there's a good chance that scum IB would have killed End even if he's third party. But I'm not certain of it, there's a good case to be made that you focus on town rather than third party. So this is a wash for me.

Of course even if they passed up the kill on me, why pass up the role block?

Yes, also a good point. I agree that again it's not proof of anything, but all of this at least weakly points in defense of IB, whereas we have nothing at all positive on HS and at least some reasons to be suspicious of him.

Is it a slam dunk? No. But also keep in mind that if HS is being truthful then we don't need him around anymore anyway, and with three confirmed town and only one kill left, we're not at MYLO. If we lynch HS and he flips town, then I'm probably going to be dead tonight, and we go into D5 with two confirmed town (ptlowe + PCM) and two uncertainties (IB + SW -- note that I'm assuming only one of them is scum). It will all come down then to whether PCM and ptlowe choose to lynch IB or SW, because the other one will certainly line up with them. Plus there'll be a gift to be used. So town chances are decent even if I'm wrong.

[Metsfanmax]

At this time, I request that the person who received my gift on N3 to identify themselves. Please do not at this point say what it was, just confirm that you got it. If you believe I am town, then please just trust me on this.

[Iron Butterfly]

Other than getting it mixed up whether IB had defended Tim or voted him. It's a. Pretty close b. The role cop claim. Joat, Watcher, Cop, Role cop=very strong investigative town. Role cop is one of those where he could tell the truth about his actions and still be scum. C. The name. This is a small one but as you pointed out he messed up the character name. Normally I would probably look past this altogether but there was a recent mafia game where we caught a mafia under a similar slip.

Thats a good call on the name. He must have picked his character how the heck would he get the name wrong.

I missed that comment.There is a very rational explanation. Call it a brain fart.I have been known to do this with names.

[strike wolf]

IB I could see your reasoning on Mets (if you thought it was likely I had investigated him N1) Why did you investigate me N1? And why Mitch N3.

[HotShot53]

HotShot: let's assume for the moment that there's only one scum left out of IB and strike wolf. Which would you lynch?

I think they are both scum, so it doesn't really matter the order they are lynched in. If we are lucky and only one is scum, then it still doesn't matter much which order, since if we get it wrong today we can lynch the other tomorrow. Since no-one is going to be really following my lead today anyway, I'm willing to vote for whichever of them the rest of you decide on.

[strike wolf]

That is the most decisive answer ever to be posted on cc.

[pancakemix]

I have thoughts about these folks but they're still percolating. For now I just want to point out that in Blade Runner, the character's name is Rick Deckard.

^^This occurred to me after I started watching Blade Runner last night.

Can I have one tonight?

I'll strongly consider it. No promises though. I want to see what happens based on who we lynch.

Uuuuuhhh why? He's a pgo...

You claimed wolverine who has three metal claws on his hands. You're also a claimed PGO who kills each person who visits him. The victim was slashed to death when visitING the attacker. What about that doesn't sound like you?

The only thing that doesn't add up is why end died if yoy were never shot at. This would require a. Pancake lying about night 2. Id deem this unlikely even without the claim as I've mostly read him town. B. You misinterpreting your role or C. I am wrong and Hotshot/IB was actually the intended victim. B or C seem the most likely.

I am wolverine and I am PGO. However wouldnt a Paranoid gun owner kill with a gun and not with a claw????

My brain hurts...

K I lied after reading Mets' and SW's exchange my brain REALLY hurts...

There's no question in my mind that PT is an active PGO based on the scene. Tim may have tried to kill him, endgame may have tried to kill him. It's moot. The scene is clear.

Personally, I think it's HS. Strike and IB seem to verify each other, and I can't see a scum SW honestly trying to figure this all out. That and his super noncommittal response on who to lynch.

Vote Hotshot

[Metsfanmax]

The exchange between SW and myself was way more confusing than it needed to be. But the bottom line is that I think ptlowe hasn't been shot at yet and so isn't a PGO, and I think SW concurs. I'm not certain of that, perhaps not certain enough to risk visiting ptlowe, but I said I'd consider it, and I am

OK. So I want to be absolutely clear -- last night, I attempted to give a gift to PCM. PCM, did you receive that gift? If you didn't, then either someone is lying about their role, or strike wolf is lying about who he redirected last night. If you didn't receive the gift, unvote until we figure this out.

[TheForgivenOne]

Just an update. I'm hospitalized at the moment.
I'll answer any questions probably on Wednesday.

[ptlowe]

Just an update. I'm hospitalized at the moment.
I'll answer any questions probably on Wednesday.

Dude get healthy the game can wait.

[pancakemix]

The exchange between SW and myself was way more confusing than it needed to be. But the bottom line is that I think ptlowe hasn't been shot at yet and so isn't a PGO, and I think SW concurs. I'm not certain of that, perhaps not certain enough to risk visiting ptlowe, but I said I'd consider it, and I am

OK. So I want to be absolutely clear -- last night, I attempted to give a gift to PCM. PCM, did you receive that gift? If you didn't, then either someone is lying about their role, or strike wolf is lying about who he redirected last night. If you didn't receive the gift, unvote until we figure this out

There's an additional caveat about my role I didn't mention: my copies also act as decoys. If I'm targeted, they have an equal chance of going to the copy. If they do, they disappear and I lose their vote. Bear in mind that that's any action, not just kills. I kind of wanted to keep that down and try to tank a kill, but c'est la vie.

So in answer to your question, I can confirm I was targeted, but not by whom. I can also tell you I did not receive your gift, but that based on what has been revealed, I had already deduced as much but couldn't concretely say so. Take my vote of confidence in its stead.

Get well TFO :,(

[Metsfanmax]

The exchange between SW and myself was way more confusing than it needed to be. But the bottom line is that I think ptlowe hasn't been shot at yet and so isn't a PGO, and I think SW concurs. I'm not certain of that, perhaps not certain enough to risk visiting ptlowe, but I said I'd consider it, and I am

OK. So I want to be absolutely clear -- last night, I attempted to give a gift to PCM. PCM, did you receive that gift? If you didn't, then either someone is lying about their role, or strike wolf is lying about who he redirected last night. If you didn't receive the gift, unvote until we figure this out

There's an additional caveat about my role I didn't mention: my copies also act as decoys. If I'm targeted, they have an equal chance of going to the copy. If they do, they disappear and I lose their vote. Bear in mind that that's any action, not just kills. I kind of wanted to keep that down and try to tank a kill, but c'est la vie.

I already thought it was clear based on your claim and the night scenes that you would survive a kill tonight, so if I figured it out already, probably so did scum. That's why I concluded that I would be the logical kill target tonight. But I understand why you were being a little reticent.

So in answer to your question, I can confirm I was targeted, but not by whom. I can also tell you I did not receive your gift, but that based on what has been revealed, I had already deduced as much but couldn't concretely say so. Take my vote of confidence in its stead.

OK, that is enough to answer my question. I still have my suspicions about SW and IB possibly being a scum pair like HotShot suggests, but as tempting as that sounds, playing the odds means lynching HS, yes?

[TheForgivenOne]

I'm home and recovering, but I'm going up in the next couple days to a different city to finish the procedure.

[strike wolf]

Good luck in your recovery TFO.

I am down for a Hotshot lynch. IB could be scum too but I feel fairly confident that scum is Anyone have anything else to say? I'll probably post my vote in the next 12 hours.

[Metsfanmax]

I don't have much else to say, except that I wish Hotshot would make a better case for his innocence than he has so far. If he's not even going to fight it, then I have no choice, and I feel like it shouldn't be this easy.

[HotShot53]

I don't have much else to say, except that I wish Hotshot would make a better case for his innocence than he has so far. If he's not even going to fight it, then I have no choice, and I feel like it shouldn't be this easy.

I don't have much to say really... I have no night action, so I can't help explain any of the interactions other than the deaths last night. For me, it's a matter of elimination; I trust 3 of you, so the other 2 of SW and IB are the scum. Since I get the feeling that whatever I say I'll be lynched today, I hope that there is only 1 scum left or else it'll be game over tonight.

[ptlowe]

I think its more likely ib or strike as well then Hs.

[pancakemix]

Like I said, I just can't see a scum SW trying that hard to sort through all the potential outcomes with Mets the way he did. That, to me, puts him in the clear. Between HS and IB, HS is the less trustworthy based on his being unverifiable. That, and with 2 scum remaining seeming unlikely, HS remains as the logical candidate.

[ptlowe]

Like I said, I just can't see a scum SW trying that hard to sort through all the potential outcomes with Mets the way he did. That, to me, puts him in the clear. Between HS and IB, HS is the less trustworthy based on his being unverifiable. That, and with 2 scum remaining seeming unlikely, HS remains as the logical candidate.

Would be funny if you turned up scum and killed Tim to keep yourself clear. God I hope thats not the case.

Anyways, Im down for an IB or strike lynch. I just dont think HS is scum, maybe im wrong. Especially with how IB is MIA

[strike wolf]

Eh none of this has felt easy to me today though maybe that's because I have been a bit in the spotlight. Well I was hoping PT might actually say more than just preferring me or IB for why he doesn't want to vote Hotshot at this point but he probably felt he would be repeating earlier points I guess.

vote hotshot

[TheForgivenOne]

Vote count:

Hotshot53 - pancakemix, strike wolf (2) L-2

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

[ptlowe]

Eh none of this has felt easy to me today though maybe that's because I have been a bit in the spotlight. Well I was hoping PT might actually say more than just preferring me or IB for why he doesn't want to vote Hotshot at this point but he probably felt he would be repeating earlier points I guess.

vote hotshot

Basically, just seems like the mirror worked for him and if he had the mirror seems like he most likely is town. Maybe not. Just feel his role is less scummy than yours or IBs.

[Iron Butterfly]

Been very sick as well hence the lack of input, though it seems not much has progressed since I was last on.

A question for PCM and his role. Something I found curious. The day we lynched Tim he was going down. He was the best lynch for the day. Why waste two votes/50% chance to stop kills when he was as good as lynched anyways? It struck me as curious. If you had one targeted night one how did you have two to vote Tim?

[Metsfanmax]

He certainly had one targeted N2 because that's why one of the kills failed and killed the double, in the flavor text. So it does seem a little strange that he had two votes on D3. However he said if he survives the night then he gains another copy. He did survive N2. So maybe he lost one and then immediately gained it back.

[Iron Butterfly]

He certainly had one targeted N2 because that's why one of the kills failed and killed the double, in the flavor text. So it does seem a little strange that he had two votes on D3. However he said if he survives the night then he gains another copy. He did survive N2. So maybe he lost one and then immediately gained it back.

I just find it odd that he felt the need to double vote Tim when there was no need to. I would like HIS answer.