Prison Mafia TOWN WIN !!

[pershy]

oh great - our cop died and didn't even try to defend himself. I don't get that.

Also Josh wasn't found curled up in a ball with white hair in a scene - but is talking gibberish. I guess it's a given but I don't understand why it wasn't stated in the scene.

I was untrusting of actor and cdbridges as neither of them are on the vote to lynch hal - but both were town after all. We've had 2 town kills by townies it seems - we must be careful in the future - but having said that I probably would also have targeted actorday or he would have been one of the ones I would have considered.

I visited him in the night to do my action on him to reveal something about himself today but he was already dead.

Ok - so I am pretty much more confused than ever now that these 2 have turned up innocent and there was no mafia kill apparently.
I still have my top suspects but need to read through again. Maybe I'll be back on Jmac's back.

Will vote pixar too happily. I like the lil guy but still don't think he's town.

This game is messing w my head - I love it!

fastposted by max - another reason to vote pixar. I'm in - but I wanna seriously discuss who else could be scum before we rush a lynch- there are not a lot of obvious possibilities left imo looking at the D2 voting list.

[Ragian]

You never handed the shank to Pix; Josh must have dropped it.

Correct. But we still don't know if he intentionally visited pixar.

My thought on pixar is that it's true that he's a ghost. It fits with people's hair turning white and being unable to speak after visiting him, and being unable to night kill him.
Based on that, and that he was here before the rest of us arrived, I think it's more likely that he's third party than town. I don't know if there's a "standard" way to deal with 3rd party. Back in the Harry Potter game, I was strongly in favor of an early lynch of an admitted 3rd party, (at least it would have been a lynch that we know was not town) but couldn't get it done. The 3rd party was able to win with the scum, and screwed the town in the end.

On the other hand, I agree with him that he did not have to say that he got the shank. Even if Josh intentionally visited him, he would not necessarily have known what happened to it.

Yes, the thing about 3rd party is that their win condition is basically to survive. They don't give a shit about who wins as long as they're alive. And I have to agree that Pix looks better now that I know that you're handing them out. When I thought it was Josh handed out shanks, it seemed inevitable that the shank in Pix's possession would emerge as info.

Trigger finger

However, we need to know how Max has come about this information (if he has said, I can't recall) because experience tells me that information can be tampered with by various roles (like the ones Deg mentioned earlier).

I only know that something nefarious involving Pixar happened during Night 1, that he's still alive, and that I was thereafter silenced. Nothing else.

Can't that just be that he's a ghost? Can't it be that something was tried done to him? I can't see that your intel condemns Pixar. I more likely to think that the attempted murder on you was scum trying to orchestrate a lynch on Pixar for "getting rid of you" if he can't be nightkilled.

FP'ed by pershy. Reading.

[Maxleod]

My thought on pixar is that it's true that he's a ghost. It fits with people's hair turning white and being unable to speak after visiting him, and being unable to night kill him.
Based on that, and that he was here before the rest of us arrived, I think it's more likely that he's third party than town. I don't know if there's a "standard" way to deal with 3rd party. Back in the Harry Potter game, I was strongly in favor of an early lynch of an admitted 3rd party, (at least it would have been a lynch that we know was not town) but couldn't get it done. The 3rd party was able to win with the scum, and screwed the town in the end.

On the other hand, I agree with him that he did not have to say that he got the shank. Even if Josh intentionally visited him, he would not necessarily have known what happened to it.

That makes sense... I'm switching from Pixar =99% Scum to 50% Scum/3rd Party.

Unvote Pixar Vote Ragian

[degaston]

Also Josh wasn't found curled up in a ball with white hair in a scene - but is talking gibberish. I guess it's a given but I don't understand why it wasn't stated in the scene.

Did you miss this?

joshzam is found curled up crying under the staircase, his hair has turned white
He is speaking gibberish.
You will not get anything out of him today on day 4

[Ragian]

Nice change of heart there. Would you care to provide a reason?

FP'ed by Deg catching pershy in skimming

[Maxleod]

:lol:

Nice change of heart there. Would you care to provide a reason?

I assume you're talking to me? Only Scum and maybe whoever saved me knew about that night kill attempt on me. Odds are you're Scum. I still think Pixar Pixar is scum, I'm just more certain about you..

[*Pixar*]

You never handed the shank to Pix; Josh must have dropped it.

Correct. But we still don't know if he intentionally visited pixar.

My thought on pixar is that it's true that he's a ghost. It fits with people's hair turning white and being unable to speak after visiting him, and being unable to night kill him.
Based on that, and that he was here before the rest of us arrived, I think it's more likely that he's third party than town. I don't know if there's a "standard" way to deal with 3rd party. Back in the Harry Potter game, I was strongly in favor of an early lynch of an admitted 3rd party, (at least it would have been a lynch that we know was not town) but couldn't get it done. The 3rd party was able to win with the scum, and screwed the town in the end.

On the other hand, I agree with him that he did not have to say that he got the shank. Even if Josh intentionally visited him, he would not necessarily have known what happened to it.

Yes, the thing about 3rd party is that their win condition is basically to survive. They don't give a shit about who wins as long as they're alive. And I have to agree that Pix looks better now that I know that you're handing them out. When I thought it was Josh handed out shanks, it seemed inevitable that the shank in Pix's possession would emerge as info.

Trigger finger

However, we need to know how Max has come about this information (if he has said, I can't recall) because experience tells me that information can be tampered with by various roles (like the ones Deg mentioned earlier).

I only know that something nefarious involving Pixar happened during Night 1, that he's still alive, and that I was thereafter silenced. Nothing else.

Can't that just be that he's a ghost? Can't it be that something was tried done to him? I can't see that your intel condemns Pixar. I more likely to think that the attempted murder on you was scum trying to orchestrate a lynch on Pixar for "getting rid of you" if he can't be nightkilled.

FP'ed by pershy. Reading.

Exactly what I'm thinking, Max is trying to frame me for something he failed on. If you all want to lynch me and think it will help with the next day's actions I'm all for it to help town. Just not sure what happens to the shank is all.

[i-andrei]

I guess it could be a scum role, but Josh isn't scummy in my book so far, so I would think it's not a scum role. Could be any alignment really. I can't tell you why he would target you. It doesn't make sense to me, but hey, maybe I don't know Josh as well as I thought

Anyway, he can't tell us until tomorrow.

Chana was found in his cell dead. No mentioning of a shank, so I would presume that it was a mafia kill.

Good "point" So josh decided to hand off the shank to you instead of using it Night 2. So who is handing out shanks?

I received something else last night but won't say what until i know who gave it to me, just so it can be confirmed.

Why would you want a person able to give out whatever you have to out themselves? Surely, that would make them a target for the night (for scum and any 3rd party out there...in here).

Cause we don't know who we can trust..
Also what does FP by andrei mean?

[fusibaseball]

This is quickly unraveling and whoever's scum is doing a good job of making this thread impossible to keep track of.

It wasn't Josh handing out shanks, it was me. But maybe he tried to use one on pixar, though that wouldn't make much sense since he stated that he couldn't be night killed, and everyone who visits him gets silenced.

Are you willing to say how many shanks total are in play right now to help Town gain clarity? You said shanks, not shank, so there is truth to there being more than 1 and they can be used to kill players?

[i-andrei]

This is quickly unraveling and whoever's scum is doing a good job of making this thread impossible to keep track of.

It wasn't Josh handing out shanks, it was me. But maybe he tried to use one on pixar, though that wouldn't make much sense since he stated that he couldn't be night killed, and everyone who visits him gets silenced.

Are you willing to say how many shanks total are in play right now to help Town gain clarity? You said shanks, not shank, so there is truth to there being more than 1 and they can be used to kill players?

Would also ask when were they delivered. Quite important if it's n1 or if he started n2.

[Ragian]

Nice change of heart there. Would you care to provide a reason?

I assume you're talking to me? Only Scum and maybe whoever saved me knew about that night kill attempt on me. Odds are you're Scum. I still think Pixar Pixar is scum, I'm just more certain about you..

Sigh...

YOU said that the target was you. I just stated that there must have been a failed mafia kill because the only murdering done last night was by me.

@i-andrei, FP'ed just means that you've posted something while I am writing my post, so whatever is written in my post until the FP doesn't take what you've just written into account.

FP'ed by Fusi

[Ragian]

If it's in anyone's interest, I received my shank N1. Didn't use it N2 because I wasn't sure who to target.

[degaston]

This is quickly unraveling and whoever's scum is doing a good job of making this thread impossible to keep track of.

It wasn't Josh handing out shanks, it was me. But maybe he tried to use one on pixar, though that wouldn't make much sense since he stated that he couldn't be night killed, and everyone who visits him gets silenced.

Are you willing to say how many shanks total are in play right now to help Town gain clarity? You said shanks, not shank, so there is truth to there being more than 1 and they can be used to kill players?

Yes, there's more than one, and Ragian has proved that they can kill players. I don't think I need to say much more than that right now. I don't know if the information that's already out there is better for town or scum.

[Maxleod]

Nice change of heart there. Would you care to provide a reason?

I assume you're talking to me? Only Scum and maybe whoever saved me knew about that night kill attempt on me. Odds are you're Scum. I still think Pixar Pixar is scum, I'm just more certain about you..

Sigh...

YOU said that the target was you. I just stated that there must have been a failed mafia kill because the only murdering done last night was by me.

And I'm supposed to believe you if you say killing a townie was a honest mistake? Not to mention that you're part of this "shank" theory that's passed to another person after every night...

[Ragian]

Agree. Let's not divulge any more information unless it's to the benefit of town. The fact that Max says that he was targeted last night (I don't know how he knows, but we can always discuss that) indicates to me that he is not mafia. His play right now, however, rubs me the wrong way. He leaves Pixar alone based on my points and then votes for me, saying that I've said something that he has said.

FP'ed by Max

No, you're not supposed to do anything other than going for your win condition. I don't know what it is. If you're town, you're in the dark about everyone else's alignment, so you need to figure out whom you can trust. I've done that and even put that information out there. Amongst others, I trust Josh and Dega. Therefore, I believe Dega's story about the shanks, and I can corroborate that I've received a shank. If you don't believe that me killing off actorday was an honest attempt at working in town's favour, by all means, vote away. It just took you a while to come up with that reason. I know others have voiced their mistrust in actorday, so it's not like I went rogue and targeted someone random. But hey, if your number one pal in here was actorday, I can see why you would mistrust me. Was he? Did you not suspect him at any level?

[Maxleod]

Agree. Let's not divulge any more information unless it's to the benefit of town. The fact that Max says that he was targeted last night (I don't know how he knows, but we can always discuss that) indicates to me that he is not mafia. His play right now, however, rubs me the wrong way. He leaves Pixar alone based on my points and then votes for me, saying that I've said something that he has said.

Now THAT is a blatant lie. YOU were the first to mention that failed kill. That's here in this thread for every on to see. I was actually waiting/hoping that some scum would do that mistake to try to make whoever saved me out himself.

[fusibaseball]

This may be town-on-town violence like Andrei and I ran into yesterday.

We need more concrete intel on who attempted the kill onto Max to frame Pixar.

Pershy and Darin have information-gathering roles. Pershy used his on actorday which is unfortunate timing between Ragian & Pershy. Darin: Can you share who you visited and what you learned to help Town?

[Ragian]

Agree. Let's not divulge any more information unless it's to the benefit of town. The fact that Max says that he was targeted last night (I don't know how he knows, but we can always discuss that) indicates to me that he is not mafia. His play right now, however, rubs me the wrong way. He leaves Pixar alone based on my points and then votes for me, saying that I've said something that he has said.

Now THAT is a blatant lie. YOU were the first to mention that failed kill. That's here in this thread for every on to see. I was actually waiting/hoping that some scum would do that mistake to try to make whoever saved me out himself.

No, it's not. I said that there was no mafia kill. You said that you were the target. Let me refresh it for you.

by Ragian on Wed May 03, 2023 1:54 pm

Yes, I killed actorday with a shank that I believe was given to me by josh (he said, "shank you very much," which I took to be a clue). This also means that there was no mafia kill (well, it means that to me, not to anyone who thinks I'm mafia). [edited out reasons for murder]

At no point do I say that you were the target.

by Maxleod on Wed May 03, 2023 2:51 pm

Ragian, how do you know there was a failed mafia kill attempt? I know that because I was the target, but how do YOU know?

And whoever protected me DO NOT REVEAL YOURSELF, or even give a hint. Under no circumstances.

Here, you volunteer that it was you who were the target (how you know that, I have no clue).

Postby Ragian on Wed May 03, 2023 3:06 pm

Look guys, you need to read the thread

I've admitted to killing off actorday with a shank. That was the only death. I.e. there was no mafia kill.

Immediately after, I explain it to you. A fair few posts after, you vote for me with no explanation at all, and when I press you for one, you go back to say something that has already been explained.

by Maxleod on Wed May 03, 2023 4:53 pm

I assume you're talking to me? Only Scum and maybe whoever saved me knew about that night kill attempt on me. Odds are you're Scum. I still think Pixar Pixar is scum, I'm just more certain about you..

I never stated that the nightkill was attempted at you. YOU stated that, and when I point that out to you, you say that it's a lie. I don't know how else to explain it to you, but maybe someone else should.

by Maxleod on Wed May 03, 2023 5:42 pm

Agree. Let's not divulge any more information unless it's to the benefit of town. The fact that Max says that he was targeted last night (I don't know how he knows, but we can always discuss that) indicates to me that he is not mafia. His play right now, however, rubs me the wrong way. He leaves Pixar alone based on my points and then votes for me, saying that I've said something that he has said.

Now THAT is a blatant lie. YOU were the first to mention that failed kill. That's here in this thread for every on to see. I was actually waiting/hoping that some scum would do that mistake to try to make whoever saved me out himself.

No, it's not a lie. I'm talking about a failed nightkill. You're accusing me of saying that you were the target. In the post immediately above, however, you're changing your tune to saying that I was the first to talk about a failed nightkill. Yes. I've said that over and over again. It was you who kept banging on about me knowing that you were the target when you provided that information yourself, which is what I'm saying that you're saying that I'm saying

Hopefully, this clears it up.

[Darin44]

This may be town-on-town violence like Andrei and I ran into yesterday.

We need more concrete intel on who attempted the kill onto Max to frame Pixar.

Pershy and Darin have information-gathering roles. Pershy used his on actorday which is unfortunate timing between Ragian & Pershy. Darin: Can you share who you visited and what you learned to help Town?

Let me read the 4 pages, and get back I do have info

[Dunk90]

Ok, so General Bax not saying anything before getting lynched while being a cop is unusual.
1. was he really a cop or we just see him as a cop after he died?
2. does he know how to play the game?

I am back at my original opinion and I think we should lynch Pixar, but i want to see what Pepe has to say about why he was muted and if/why he visited Pixar.

Also, whoever visited me last night I think is confirmed town so you may confirm the visit.

I visited you but there was someone else present. Message didn’t say who it was

[Darin44]

Ok, so General Bax not saying anything before getting lynched while being a cop is unusual.
1. was he really a cop or we just see him as a cop after he died?
2. does he know how to play the game?

I am back at my original opinion and I think we should lynch Pixar, but i want to see what Pepe has to say about why he was muted and if/why he visited Pixar.

Also, whoever visited me last night I think is confirmed town so you may confirm the visit.

I visited you but there was someone else present. Message didn’t say who it was

I visited i-andrei and saw you pass something him. what was it?

[Darin44]

I forgot my point on the no mafia kill...

DON'T mention it in order to get town cred, but if you protected someone tonight, there's a chance that that someone was targeted by mafia. That means that you can safely assume that the person you protected is non-mafia (can't rule out third party). Anyway, you can lean towards that person (but do it secretly).

I would to say. How is it good for town if someone is handing out shanks( degaston).and if you are town why would you use it.Maybe you use it for the mafia kill. to throw town off. Plus giving out shanks sound scummy to me. now *Pixar* has one

[Ragian]

I forgot my point on the no mafia kill...

DON'T mention it in order to get town cred, but if you protected someone tonight, there's a chance that that someone was targeted by mafia. That means that you can safely assume that the person you protected is non-mafia (can't rule out third party). Anyway, you can lean towards that person (but do it secretly).

I would to say. How is it good for town if someone is handing out shanks( degaston).and if you are town why would you use it.Maybe you use it for the mafia kill. to throw town off. Plus giving out shanks sound scummy to me. now *Pixar* has one

Why does it sound scummy to hand them out? Do you find that Dega's choices of handing them to Josh and me is a bad choice? Do you feel that using it on actorday was unwarranted?

[*Pixar*]

I forgot my point on the no mafia kill...

DON'T mention it in order to get town cred, but if you protected someone tonight, there's a chance that that someone was targeted by mafia. That means that you can safely assume that the person you protected is non-mafia (can't rule out third party). Anyway, you can lean towards that person (but do it secretly).

I would to say. How is it good for town if someone is handing out shanks( degaston).and if you are town why would you use it.Maybe you use it for the mafia kill. to throw town off. Plus giving out shanks sound scummy to me. now *Pixar* has one

Why does it sound scummy to hand them out? Do you find that Dega's choices of handing them to Josh and me is a bad choice? Do you feel that using it on actorday was unwarranted?

I do feel like there was better options than actorday in my opinion. We had a slight idea actorday was some sort of messenger

[Darin44]

I forgot my point on the no mafia kill...

DON'T mention it in order to get town cred, but if you protected someone tonight, there's a chance that that someone was targeted by mafia. That means that you can safely assume that the person you protected is non-mafia (can't rule out third party). Anyway, you can lean towards that person (but do it secretly).

I would to say. How is it good for town if someone is handing out shanks( degaston).and if you are town why would you use it.Maybe you use it for the mafia kill. to throw town off. Plus giving out shanks sound scummy to me. now *Pixar* has one

Why does it sound scummy to hand them out? Do you find that Dega's choices of handing them to Josh and me is a bad choice? Do you feel that using it on actorday was unwarranted?

Yes I do. It just don't set right with me, handing out shanks doesn't help town it just makes it easiest for scum to take out town

fp'ed by *Pixar*