strike wolf wrote:I do want to clarify that if Traf flips town and there's no vig kill on Son!c, it does mean that MacReady was likely the N1 recruit but does not necessarily mean that Son!c is the recruiter. BTing him and if it comes clean, he can tell us who he believes is the recruited MacReady is the better play. Otherwise, I think I'd be in favor of Bting Extreme.
Or maybe it was a one-shot vig.
Unlikely but possible. If I remember the movie right, the Flamethrower does eventually run dry and I guess it's not impossible that DDS factored that in.
Gee strike, thanks for this attempt at showing up the hypocrisy behind Ragian's lynch vote on me.... but I doubt it will have any effect. An advocate of a double standard can always come up with a reason for justifying its existence.
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:Voting the recruit is a good thung if we dont know who the thing is. Easy
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:If we fail to get recruiter is game over regardeless of hitting a recruit..
If these quotes less then an hour apart does not get your eyes open then keep sleeping in the land of the bliss and say "gg Traf".
Goodnight, sweet dreams
I come to the conclusion that either you can't read or u deliberately and with ill intet manipulate quotes. I said in the lynch and Vig scenario failing to get the Recruiter means gg as its what 4v3 gets, while in the 5v3 scenario we dont need to get the recruiter to have one more chance. But sure lets see if anyone bites what you post
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:Voting the recruit is a good thung if we dont know who the thing is. Easy
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:If we fail to get recruiter is game over regardeless of hitting a recruit..
If these quotes less then an hour apart does not get your eyes open then keep sleeping in the land of the bliss and say "gg Traf".
Goodnight, sweet dreams
I come to the conclusion that either you can't read or u deliberately and with ill intet manipulate quotes. I said in the lynch and Vig scenario failing to get the Recruiter means gg as its what 4v3 gets, while in the 5v3 scenario we dont need to get the recruiter to have one more chance. But sure lets see if anyone bites what you post
So because your active all the sudden we have to forget your "absence" (while you have been reading every post in that time period)? Or did you miss turns in your games then?? Dont think so.
Sorry, you brought this on you for good reasons. And time and time again. For weeks. That you were on the defensive and silent for so many weeks is very clear, now the question is why?
And you can never answer the questions or change subjet. Or even worst manipulate things. So now for real wont answer you anymore so people can vome to their own conclusion.
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:And you can never answer the questions or change subjet. Or even worst manipulate things. So now for real wont answer you anymore so people can vome to their own conclusion.
Ps. I still defend the no vig tonight
If you are the Thing like im sure you are what does the "no vig" matter if they lynch the Thing (you)?
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote: So now for real wont answer you anymore
Had to quote this
Lmao
Just concede. Say "gg" and lets play another game. You got unlucky as the Thing. So on the contrary. Nothing wrong with trowing the towel when the game is lost
Votanic wrote:Letting a negative BT, whomever that turns out to be, decide the lynch does make sense.
However, I would like to hear the reasoning behind the lynch decision before jumping on the wagon. Afterall, some players (at least one) do have a reputation for coming up with some screwball theories.
Lynch Votanic
You get to choose that was the agreement.
And you can change your lynch vote anytime too. I'll keep following your vote
Best to name BT and lynch targets D3 too if you want. Without it the game is lost
Lynch Votanic[/quote]
This is my last vote. Im pretty sure (but yes i wanna switch to Traf but a word is a word..)
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Lynch Vote: (2) Votan - Ragian, Sonic (3) Sonic - EW, Votan, Traf (1) Traf - Swang
With 9 alive, it takes 5 for majority!
Corrected.
Ok I have to change my vote to sonic here right? You have such absolute conviction that Trafalgar is the Thing, to where you're so sure that you're right that you're agreeing to get lynched or viged if wrong, but you're not voting him? like wtf is this. even at the height of Sonic's nonsense in the Tick he was still playing to win. Here it feels like he's not even trying to win? No explanation except he's scum and botching it? Me voting sonic puts him at -1 so I'll just hold off a little bit. extreme and ragian did say they need to catch up.
Finally--how hilarious would it be if Trafalgar is the Thing and he recruited sonic N1? Only for sonic to go all out attack against him. There's no way this is the case because I don't see why Trafalgar would ever convert sonic, but I'm laughing just thinking about the possibility.
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Lynch Vote: (2) Votan - Ragian, Sonic (3) Sonic - EW, Votan, Traf (1) Traf - Swang
With 9 alive, it takes 5 for majority!
Corrected.
Ok I have to change my vote to sonic here right? You have such absolute conviction that Trafalgar is the Thing, to where you're so sure that you're right that you're agreeing to get lynched or viged if wrong, but you're not voting him? like wtf is this. even at the height of Sonic's nonsense in the Tick he was still playing to win. Here it feels like he's not even trying to win? No explanation except he's scum and botching it? Me voting sonic puts him at -1 so I'll just hold off a little bit. extreme and ragian did say they need to catch up.
Finally--how hilarious would it be if Trafalgar is the Thing and he recruited sonic N1? Only for sonic to go all out attack against him. There's no way this is the case because I don't see why Trafalgar would ever convert sonic, but I'm laughing just thinking about the possibility.
I agreed i would vote with Ragian if Ragian tested negative. I keep my word. Always. So i hope Ragian switches to Traf but Ragian can decide whatever he wants.
Unvote (Was I voting?) I'm caught up, but there are several things that I feel that I have lost track of, so I'm probably in dire need of rereading the entire thread again. Shoot me.
--- Hope you're feeling better, EW :* ---
strike wolf wrote:I do want to clarify that if Traf flips town and there's no vig kill on Son!c, it does mean that MacReady was likely the N1 recruit but does not necessarily mean that Son!c is the recruiter. BTing him and if it comes clean, he can tell us who he believes is the recruited MacReady is the better play. Otherwise, I think I'd be in favor of Bting Extreme.
I gotta say that I've been of the thought that Strike is so town that he reeks. Everything he says is well thought out and balanced. This, however, strikes *giggles* as too planned. It involves Traf, Son!c, whoever MacReady is, and Extreme. It closes the game if wrong - for instance if Strike is The Thing - but if e.g. MacReady is (already) recruited just that would f*ck things up. It is not unthinkable that Strike is The Thing because he is damn good at this game. I'm just saying that this is dangerous and the might be the first time where I start to suspect Strike.
@Strike, have you voted to BT anyone or lynch anyone?
strike wolf wrote:Oh good. I'm not the only one Starting to wonder of EWs idle comment about Son!c and Traf both being cult was right. Thought I was just going crazy.
Elaborate, please.
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Votanic wrote:
strike wolf wrote:
Extreme Ways wrote:
strike wolf wrote:I do want to clarify that if Traf flips town and there's no vig kill on Son!c, it does mean that MacReady was likely the N1 recruit but does not necessarily mean that Son!c is the recruiter. BTing him and if it comes clean, he can tell us who he believes is the recruited MacReady is the better play. Otherwise, I think I'd be in favor of Bting Extreme.
Or maybe it was a one-shot vig.
Unlikely but possible. If I remember the movie right, the Flamethrower does eventually run dry and I guess it's not impossible that DDS factored that in.
Gee strike, thanks for this attempt at showing up the hypocrisy behind Ragian's lynch vote on me.... but I doubt it will have any effect. An advocate of a double standard can always come up with a reason for justifying its existence.
Seriously...stop it. Surely, you know the difference between flavour speculation that makes sense in a context and flavour speculation with little to no relevance in order to appear productive. Strike's point is related to any limit to the vig (and his litote even indicates that it is unlikely), so here Strike takes someone's argument, which he starts out by calling unlikely, but then he admits that it could be possible depending on how much DDS has looked at flavour.
Here's my reply to you looking at flavour. Please notice - in the spoiler - that you even agree that you won't find any answers there.
Well, I've seen the film [well, this is a lie, but maybe I have seen it while I was ill. I haven't, but maybe], and I have played flavoured mafia before. You won't win the game by guessing what the mod has used. It's just flavour. You even agree that you won't find any clues in it. So leave it and look at people's play.
You want to BT Sonic just because you don't want to lose to him? Weak. I'm on your case now. BT Votanic
FP'ed by Votanic
Also, please notice the other point that you've ignored (I've added the red colour). You wanted to BT Sonic because you basically would feel foolish if you were fooled by his foolishness. The rest of your post mentions a few players, but it doesn't really say anything besides you not knowing what to say about them. It's all of this in unison that made me want to BT you because I have seen it so many times [people looking at flavour and not at play in order to appear active] where they turned out to be scum. Obviously, I don't hate flavour. Especially not in the beginning of a game.
Now, you will see that I have unvoted you - even though I think my points for suspecting you are valid. I've unvoted you because Strike's point that you're probably not the recruiter is good. And Sonic's point - yes - that it is weird that you wanted to BT me fully aware that I was on your case and knowing that I would be cleared (if you were The Thing).
--- I find that Charle's latest posts have been somewhat insightful. He has earned himself some brownie...townie points for now. ---
When I find time outside catching up at work, I want to have a look at Strike's posts to see if he voted anyone during the game and to see his reads on anyway. I feel like he's a tad late to the party, and it is rubbing me the wrong way.
I have voted for Bt on Dega D1 and EW D2 but was convinced to unvote (the rest of early D2 I went into a bit of an inactive and reflective period and didn't get around to revoting anyone for BT before you were BTed). I also voted to lynch Son!c D1 (may have voted Swang at some point D1 too? Cant remember). I have yet to vote anyone today as I was fine with the idea of voting alongside you on Vot but wanted more discussion first.
My basic reads in short:
1. Me-town. 2. Dega-confirmed town D1. WAY too quiet today and his excuse for why being very flimsy. Possibly recruited. 3. Ragian-Confirmed town 4. Vot-D1-Seemed to be genuinely questioning things, pulling strings to see what unraveled. D2-hes seemed more aggressive. Maybe just because he's been under pressure or maybe because he's been recruited. 5. Charle-his D1 play was a bit erratic but throughout both days, I feel he's had some good insights and is probably town. 6. Swang-I felt he was a bit on the passive side D1 and while he's been more active and pressing today, that was also after being called out for coasting D1. 7. EW-kind of similar feelings towards him as you have towards me. He's mostly said the right things but overall has come across a bit wishy washy at times. He was fairly quick to put up a BT vote D1 which is something that could be legit town but could also be something to make him feel like town and it felt a bit aggressive for him in comparison to his Tick game play. If it was anyone else, I'd probably be fairly convinced he was town but EW is a smart player and capable of making posts to make himself seem town and the things I might otherwise be able to look past, like the discrepancies in why he didn't think Son!c would be a good cult recruit or BT lynch but then said the opposite when he put his vote on him to lynch towards the end of the day, stick out more. His play feels consistent though. So I think he's either town or the recruiter at this point. 8. Son!c-is erratic and at times has felt too much like he wants to completely guide the game from D1 on. He's been eager to prove he's willing to be lynched or BTed almost to the point it feels like a bluff but if it was a bluff than D1 where he got all the way to L-1 and didn't flinch means he's pretty nervy. He's been very tunneled onto Traf even though, early on he Said is confidence was as low as 18%. He also has at times as Traf pointed out taken things out of context to make them say something that they are not actually saying. This isn't 100% out of line with his Tick play but I believe pushing the willingness to be lynched is (I also can't discount the possibility that he thought voting for himself would give him townie points and it backfired but he got stuck with it because backing out would have been scummier) and while he was sometimes tunneled in The Tick Mafia, he would also sometimes switch on a dime with no clear indicator. That hasn't been the case here. 9. Traf-I still don't know if the actual emotional outburst is alignment indicative. It was odd for Traf but if you look back at the final day of The Tick Mafia and his post game comments directed at Son!c, you can probably see that there was a lot more snark there than earlier in the game. That said, Son!c is right that he's been pretty passive on Bt and lynch votes and his big vote right now on Son!c as a possible recruit feels rather OMGusy. Combined with increased activity when under pressure looks pretty scummy.
My list is based on me not being certain I will be town to say all this tomorrow and being pretty convinced that the top 5 are not the recruiter. I will amend my plan that we should not commit to BTing EW specifically and instead leave it open for him or Swang at the least. That way if Swang is Cult, he'll be pretty much forced to recruit EW so that a potential Bt on Ew comes up dirty and directs the lynch away from Swang and vice versa if EW is the recruiter. They could then not recruit the other to wifom town into thinking that they're not the recruiter because "obviously I would have recruited them to get the lynch off" but then they'll be dealing with another confirmed townie and an increased chance to be lynched that day.
My traf Sonic scum pair theory is a bit more out there and I'll save it for another post as I'm running out of steam here.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
Fair enough. It was a long post. Again with some useful insights. I have a few questions, though. (Sorry!)
1) Why do you think Votanic is aggressive? I see him more as reacting rather than acting. 2) If you were forced, at gunpoint, to lynch someone, who would it be?
Ragian wrote:Fair enough. It was a long post. Again with some useful insights. I have a few questions, though. (Sorry!)
1) Why do you think Votanic is aggressive? I see him more as reacting rather than acting. 2) If you were forced, at gunpoint, to lynch someone, who would it be?
Aggressive may not be the best word. I just meant aggressive in his reaction to people and your vote against him. Maybe antagonistic would be a better word? At gunpoint? Traf would be my first pick. He's been the scummiest in my eyes. I could still be convinced to lynch Vot or Son!c but barring a major revelation, I don't want to vote EW or Swang without a BT on one of them first.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
Ragian wrote:Cheers for the well-wishes, guys <3 ---
Unvote (Was I voting?) I'm caught up, but there are several things that I feel that I have lost track of, so I'm probably in dire need of rereading the entire thread again. Shoot me.
--- Hope you're feeling better, EW :* ---
strike wolf wrote:I do want to clarify that if Traf flips town and there's no vig kill on Son!c, it does mean that MacReady was likely the N1 recruit but does not necessarily mean that Son!c is the recruiter. BTing him and if it comes clean, he can tell us who he believes is the recruited MacReady is the better play. Otherwise, I think I'd be in favor of Bting Extreme.
I gotta say that I've been of the thought that Strike is so town that he reeks. Everything he says is well thought out and balanced. This, however, strikes *giggles* as too planned. It involves Traf, Son!c, whoever MacReady is, and Extreme. It closes the game if wrong - for instance if Strike is The Thing - but if e.g. MacReady is (already) recruited just that would f*ck things up. It is not unthinkable that Strike is The Thing because he is damn good at this game. I'm just saying that this is dangerous and the might be the first time where I start to suspect Strike.
@Strike, have you voted to BT anyone or lynch anyone?
strike wolf wrote:Oh good. I'm not the only one Starting to wonder of EWs idle comment about Son!c and Traf both being cult was right. Thought I was just going crazy.
Elaborate, please.
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Votanic wrote:
strike wolf wrote:
Extreme Ways wrote:
strike wolf wrote:I do want to clarify that if Traf flips town and there's no vig kill on Son!c, it does mean that MacReady was likely the N1 recruit but does not necessarily mean that Son!c is the recruiter. BTing him and if it comes clean, he can tell us who he believes is the recruited MacReady is the better play. Otherwise, I think I'd be in favor of Bting Extreme.
Or maybe it was a one-shot vig.
Unlikely but possible. If I remember the movie right, the Flamethrower does eventually run dry and I guess it's not impossible that DDS factored that in.
Gee strike, thanks for this attempt at showing up the hypocrisy behind Ragian's lynch vote on me.... but I doubt it will have any effect. An advocate of a double standard can always come up with a reason for justifying its existence.
Seriously...stop it. Surely, you know the difference between flavour speculation that makes sense in a context and flavour speculation with little to no relevance in order to appear productive. Strike's point is related to any limit to the vig (and his litote even indicates that it is unlikely), so here Strike takes someone's argument, which he starts out by calling unlikely, but then he admits that it could be possible depending on how much DDS has looked at flavour.
Here's my reply to you looking at flavour. Please notice - in the spoiler - that you even agree that you won't find any answers there.
Well, I've seen the film [well, this is a lie, but maybe I have seen it while I was ill. I haven't, but maybe], and I have played flavoured mafia before. You won't win the game by guessing what the mod has used. It's just flavour. You even agree that you won't find any clues in it. So leave it and look at people's play.
You want to BT Sonic just because you don't want to lose to him? Weak. I'm on your case now. BT Votanic
FP'ed by Votanic
Also, please notice the other point that you've ignored (I've added the red colour). You wanted to BT Sonic because you basically would feel foolish if you were fooled by his foolishness. The rest of your post mentions a few players, but it doesn't really say anything besides you not knowing what to say about them. It's all of this in unison that made me want to BT you because I have seen it so many times [people looking at flavour and not at play in order to appear active] where they turned out to be scum. Obviously, I don't hate flavour. Especially not in the beginning of a game.
Now, you will see that I have unvoted you - even though I think my points for suspecting you are valid. I've unvoted you because Strike's point that you're probably not the recruiter is good. And Sonic's point - yes - that it is weird that you wanted to BT me fully aware that I was on your case and knowing that I would be cleared (if you were The Thing).
--- I find that Charle's latest posts have been somewhat insightful. He has earned himself some brownie...townie points for now. ---
When I find time outside catching up at work, I want to have a look at Strike's posts to see if he voted anyone during the game and to see his reads on anyway. I feel like he's a tad late to the party, and it is rubbing me the wrong way.
