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Postby kwanton on Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:56 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Bul ... 8comics%29

Bullock is definitely good. But if mandy is a cop, he is not sane. Here are the options as far as I see it:

Mandy is lying. Koesen is town.

Mandy is telling the truth but is paranoid. Koesen is either town or mafia. No way of knowing.

Mandy is telling the truth but is insane. Now I've heard of two different versions of the insane cop. One is that the cop gets opposite roles. If that is the case then Koesen is town. The other is that the investigation turns out random. If that is the case there is no way of knowing.

So the evidence automatically tells me not to vote for Koesen without anything else to go by. Am I right?
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Postby Huckleberryhound on Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:17 pm

So, what's the point of an insane cop investigating anyone ?
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Postby MountainLion on Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:18 pm

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kalishnikov wrote:True, but the night log said 2 figures were reported talking by the bushes where the coin was found. I'm not sure the SK would be colluding with someone else. Thats why I suggested he was part of a 2 man team as seems to be the tendencies so far with the mafia groups unless I'm misreading the night scenes, which is a possibility.

there might be a cult and two face was joining it


Also true, I hadn't considered that.


But if Two Face is mafia, the Cult Leader would die if he tried to recruit a mafia member, right?

Mandy, I tend to think that was possibly too soon a roleclaim, but I agree this game appears to be going nowhere for Gotham's side and I did nudge you a little bit there...sorry.

Vote koesen

Since koesen is an obvious choice for a lynch, I do think we should keep getting more information as long as we can. Talapus didn't set a limit on this day, so let's use it to give us more clues.
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Postby kalishnikov on Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:19 pm

kwanton wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Bullock_%28comics%29

Bullock is definitely good. But if mandy is a cop, he is not sane. Here are the options as far as I see it:

Mandy is lying. Koesen is town.

Mandy is telling the truth but is paranoid. Koesen is either town or mafia. No way of knowing.

Mandy is telling the truth but is insane. Now I've heard of two different versions of the insane cop. One is that the cop gets opposite roles. If that is the case then Koesen is town. The other is that the investigation turns out random. If that is the case there is no way of knowing.

So the evidence automatically tells me not to vote for Koesen without anything else to go by. Am I right?


First, every version of the insane cop I've played with gets the opposite results on the investigation. Random results would be a bitch....

Second, I agree with parts of your logic, but not overall.

We've got someone who claimed a cop, with no counter-claim. We've got no reason to believe that he's insane (yet), he said he wasn't sure about his sanity and I gather from mandalorian he looks at all possibilities when making an accusation. I think he's just being careful by mentioning he might not be sane, but again we don't know yet.

The only way we're going to find out is if we either lynch Koesen or mandalorian dies.

My vote stays.
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Postby n8freeman on Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:22 pm

we need something to go on
the only way to find out wat mandy is to
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Postby kalishnikov on Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:24 pm

Huckleberryhound wrote:So, what's the point of an insane cop investigating anyone ?


The cop doesn't know if he's insane or sane. When he gets the pm from the mod, it just says "Cop". Its up to the mod what results he gets.

It just adds another layer to the game.
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Postby kwanton on Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:24 pm

You overlooked one thing kalish:

1)XenCobra - A.K.A. ā€œCommissioner Gordon/Chief Of Policeā€ – Pro-Gotham/Cop

We already had a cop die. And I would bet my ass that gordon was the sane one. If everyone chooses to go after koesen however, I won't go against the town.
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Postby kalishnikov on Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:37 pm

kwanton wrote:You overlooked one thing kalish:

1)XenCobra - A.K.A. ā€œCommissioner Gordon/Chief Of Policeā€ – Pro-Gotham/Cop

We already had a cop die. And I would bet my ass that gordon was the sane one. If everyone chooses to go after koesen however, I won't go against the town.


That is true. When I was writing that last post I wasn't really thinking about the fact that Gordon would be the sane cop, almost for sure.

I'm going to wait to unvote till we see what Koesen says though.
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Postby n8freeman on Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:41 pm

he could be a backup cop though,
wich would make him sane
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Postby kwanton on Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:41 pm

n8freeman wrote:he could be a backup cop though,
wich would make him sane


I've never heard of a backup cop before.
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Postby jnd94 on Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:43 pm

Dont vote kosen. Its gonna be another progotham if you do. its simple, comissioner gordon should be the sane one, so, if there is another cop then it would have to be paranoid, insane, or naive, which could all mislead us into a lynch. I wouldnt go for this lynch just yet.
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Postby kwanton on Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:45 pm

jnd94 wrote:Dont vote kosen. Its gonna be another progotham if you do. its simple, comissioner gordon should be the sane one, so, if there is another cop then it would have to be paranoid, insane, or naive, which could all mislead us into a lynch. I wouldnt go for this lynch just yet.


Mandy would not be naive. He got a guilty off two people. My bet would be paranoid or insane.
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Postby Huckleberryhound on Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:02 pm

kalishnikov wrote:
Huckleberryhound wrote:So, what's the point of an insane cop investigating anyone ?


The cop doesn't know if he's insane or sane. When he gets the pm from the mod, it just says "Cop". Its up to the mod what results he gets.

It just adds another layer to the game.


All in all the good guys are getting a load of Cack here :P
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Postby n8freeman on Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:04 pm

its kinda like a nurse

if the cop dies, they get to use the cops powers, but they cant use the powers untill the cop dies
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Postby Huckleberryhound on Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:09 pm

unvote vote koesen

Let's get a lynch this turn, and maybe mandy vilified aswell :-s
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Postby kwanton on Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:14 pm

And people are still voting for koesen..... ](*,)

Well if I can't stop you guys I might as well help show you the error of your ways Vote Koesen.

I'm just waiting for him to turn out town so I can lol @ you all for not listening to me.
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Postby MountainLion on Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:07 pm

We should hear from koesen before we lynch him....you never know.

How many votes is that on him? Does anyone else want to get more discussion before we lynch koesen so fast?
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Postby kwanton on Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:12 pm

MountainLion wrote:We should hear from koesen before we lynch him....you never know.

How many votes is that on him? Does anyone else want to get more discussion before we lynch koesen so fast?


I've actually stated some very good points on why to not lynch Koesen. Not many people seem to listen to me so at this point it's turning into a case of "If ya can't beat em, speed up the proccess then laugh at them for not listening to you."
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Postby Koesen on Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:14 pm

Wow, I log in in the middle of a hard day of work and find I have a rope around my neck and people are looking for a tree :)

Obviously, it looks bad if some claims he's a cop and I am scum. I don't know if I can prove beyond doubt that I am town, but I'd like you to consider the following:

1. Some of the votes against me are simply absurd. Like Derfderf's. This is the second day in a row he votes for me for a nonsensical reason. Why?

2. Mandalorian: yesterday, he voted for me for no other reason that that I was trying to identify the bad guys in the picture. How is that scummy? How can the discussion that I was trying to start and he derailed, possibly benefit anybody other than the town?

3. Today he votes for me again, this time claiming he's a cop. He says he investigated two people so far and both were said to be scum. Now, obviously, it's possible he got lucky twice in a row. But what are the odds?

You may call me biased, but I know what I am, and even if I didn't, I would be highly suspicious of any cop claiming he hit bull's eye in both of his first turns. I see several possibilities:

a) He's insane or paranoid, as suggested by others. In this case, a lynch is a loss for the town. I would suggest we let him investigate a third person before lynching on his say.

b) I am, unknowingly, the kind of character that gives the opposite result when investigated (Miller? I forget what they're called). In that case, a lynch is a loss for the town.

c) There's a bus driver who switched me and somebody else. Again, this will result in a loss for the town if I am lynched.

d) Mandalorian is scum himself. Yesterday, he went after me for bogus reasons and failed. Today, he's upping the ante by claiming cop. His cop claim may get me killed, which would be good for the mafia (i.e. Mandy), or it may provoke a counterclaim from a real cop, which would also be very convenient for the mafia (i.e. Mandy).

How about combining (c) and (d)? Mandy's scummy buddy is a busdriver who switched me with Mandy, so that the investigation results in me showing as mafia. A real cop may be inspired to verify his claim and find mafia too, for the same reason.

Alternatively, Mandalorian is simply lying through his teeth and will claim insanity once I am shown to be innocent.
"Don't lynch me," he will say, "I may be a useless cop but I'm still a townie, honest, Guv!"

I am town. I have a power role that I will claim if I get closer to lynch, but for now, all I want to say is: lynching me would be a loss for town in more ways than just the death of a townie and the loss of a lynching opportunity.

Please consider what I said and give me a chance to roleclaim if the bandwagon moves on.[/i]
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Postby kwanton on Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:20 pm

Actually I've said a lot of those points about not lynching you. B and C seem far-fetched and I doubt that's the case but I've stated repeatedly that mandy's sanity is suspect and I gave the possibility that he is lying. I gave into voting for you after many people DID NOT LISTEN TO ME!!! ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
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Postby Koesen on Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:21 pm

Here's a solid reason why Mandy cannot possibly be the backup cop: he says he investigated someone in the first night. In other words, he claims he had cop powers even before the confirmed cop, real and sane, was dead.

That rules out back up cop.

Would we have two sane cops? I highly, highly doubt it.

Two options remain:

1) He has some kind of mental problem.

2) He's a liar.

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Postby Koesen on Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:27 pm

kwanton wrote:I've stated repeatedly that mandy's sanity is suspect and I gave the possibility that he is lying. I gave into voting for you after many people DID NOT LISTEN TO ME!!! ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)


Well, if you already suspect this is a wrong vote, then why don't you take it back? It's not like we're anywhere near the deadline.

If the deadline comes and I'm the only lynching option, I will understand this kind of argument, but right now, it seems flawed to me.
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Postby Koesen on Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:33 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
MountainLion wrote:
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pancakemix wrote:That's derfderf.


FOS multiple people wearing the same avatar and a minor Fosito on people with similar avatars


Mandy, is this all you have to contribute? Usually you have 3 or 4 paragraphs in your posts.

BTW derfderf has a Green Bay Packers avy.


You want me to add something? Fine, since this game is big and not very productive, so far. I am Detective Bullock. On first night I investigated Gimpy and he showed Anti-Gotham. On this Night I investigated koesen and he too showed Anti-Gotham. But, give the character of Detective Bullock, I am really not so sure of my sanity (plus the fact that I usually suck in power using).

Well, there's only one way to find out: vote koesen


Consider the above. First Mandalorian goes around fossing people for no reason at all, and only when he's prodded, he suddenly comes with his cop claim and accusation.

If you (any of you) were some kind of cop and you had a scummy result on me, is this what you would have done? Wouldn't you have voted of fossed me right away?

I am increasingly convinced Mandalorian is playing a dirty game.
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Postby Skoffin on Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:34 pm

Heh I was going through this and I was actually thinking along the lines of D Koesen. What I don't get is why he claimed when he wasn't even in the line of fire, usually people make such claims when they're nearly at a lynch. Claiming possible insane cop is a good way for scum to lynch off a townie and still look somewhat innocent in the process. But there's still reason to suspect you, but at the same time we shouldn't just take Mandy's word for it. Either everyone needs to look back through and find something concrete or we need to find another suspect for now.
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Postby MountainLion on Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:34 pm

I don't know what to think right now, but like I said before, Talapus hasn't even set a time limit for this day, so please LET'S TAKE OUR TIME.

We haven't even heard from everyone. Let's wait for everyone to post. Maybe someone will say "I'm Bullock," or we could get more clues in one direction or another.

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