Romeo and Juliet Mafia - Capulet Victory. +Paris+John

[edocsil]

*awauts BW on edoc*

More likely it will be a no lynch at this point, ironic that I asked for the deadline. Ah well there is always tomorrow.

This needs another day to rehash these arguments. Anyhow.

[TheGeneral2112]

f*ck it, PMC forced my hand.

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[edocsil]

f*ck it, PMC forced my hand.

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Well, that is out so may as well ask the questions I wanted, SG and Sparta, can you point out why they are Cap, I have it written as well, but can't reference from where. I am also going servants over the wives, but it is the same thoughts. I also know one of the last pieces, Juliet so I can put the puzzle together with another name or two.

Alt, you care to weigh in where you are in this? If you are on our side you best speak up fast.

[alt1978]

I think general's list is speculative at best...but to answer the question as best I can edoc...I don't think I'm going to end up being on your side. When edoc was revealed by zimmah day one...that was not the color that zimmah used.

I think this manipulation makes me a little suspicious. I'm going to look back at the early pages...and I implore someone...anyone with better color vision than me to check and double check me...but day one it sure looks to me that edoc is clearly in the house of montegue...and not alligned third party or with general. I have the quote here but the color did not come through...it is page 6...2nd post down.

In the early evening, Brother John decided to have a talk with edocsil. It became clear that edocsil is alligned to the house of montagues.

"as the night fell and the fights mostly ceased, some people refused to sleep. One particular duel was very intense, but luckily everyone made the day in good shape.
even though in the house of capulet"

I think general and edoc have some explaining to do. The general's list is suspect for a number of other reasons that I am not going to get into just yet (not because it's a secret but because the shady color coding takes precedence).

Before drawing any further conclusions or going down that road any further...I would love to see if anyone else sees this color thing the same way I do. Let's just say I have labels in my clothes with the colors written on them.

[jgordon1111]

here is why I think edoc is romeo,right out the gate as soon as I claimed and said to edoc we were aligned he vehemently denied this,at that point he had no reason to say so,unless he had an alternate WC that didnt fit with the montague family and he is not our vig.

That is really what got me to thinking about not killing him,and looking at a possible win condition we may not have known about.

And I say to everyone go back, think about the time frame zimmah got this game going,and what he said. Really read what he said,the implications are there, Its like a doc in a different type of game dropping hints about his role if you look.

[jgordon1111]

And dazza this is the better win. Dont switch sides

[shieldgenerator7]

general's right, I'm a capulet. No one took notice (hehe) but I breadcrumbed my exact role in a post a while back. I am not vig.

I would like to have peace but I'm okay with destroying the montagues. At this point it looks like we're going to have a no lynch, so I won't bother voting. But I'd like to say that I do not want to lynch saf.

See you on the other side of daylight

-SG7 ( )

[dazza2008]

And dazza this is the better win. Dont switch sides

A win is a win to me buddy. I don't really care who with. Looks like this will be a no lynch though so we will see what happens tomorrow.

[jgordon1111]

ok so here is how it stands edoc is outted in montague blue,but when general outs himself looking for R&J edoc starts talking to him and they start confirming an alternate WC, edoc has no reason at this point to go with general unless there is an alternate WC we dont know about.

Why because on page 12 Zimmah confirms the role colors are correct and has prior to that confirmed generals role as friar Lor.

In other words Edoc is a montegue his color (blue) is correct but he has a win condition that is compatible with the general who is (green).

Are any of you going to go back and read what has been said since page 1.

If not vig edoc tonight and get this game over with.

[pmchugh]

here is why I think edoc is romeo,right out the gate as soon as I claimed and said to edoc we were aligned he vehemently denied this,at that point he had no reason to say so,unless he had an alternate WC that didnt fit with the montague family and he is not our vig.

That is really what got me to thinking about not killing him,and looking at a possible win condition we may not have known about.

And I say to everyone go back, think about the time frame zimmah got this game going,and what he said. Really read what he said,the implications are there, Its like a doc in a different type of game dropping hints about his role if you look.

It is pretty obvious Edoc is Romeo if you read through day 1. Then he admits it himself when I call him romeo and then no one counter claims, that is pretty much 100%

And dazza this is the better win. Dont switch sides

The "better" win is the more likely one. My win will happen quickly and decisively as soon as everyone wakes up.

ARRRG. I would give my left nut for my faction to have a kill!

I think this post is very telling, edoc knows that if we band together we have won. Also he calls his group a "faction" the connotations of this suggest a war between 3 factions not a situation where everyone can win.

As for the character list there are a few mistakes in it. Bloodgreen is the mason partner in montegue I reckon, almost everyone else posted prior to the counter claim so it makes sense if it was him.

Also a lot of people are claiming to be capulets; Leehar, spartacus, sg7 and a semi-claim by alt (probably 3rd party). This on top of a vig is really weird. Then there is chapcrap, he was defo scared of claiming, possibly the apothecary.

None of this really matters though, if everyone except the montegues and r&j party vote with the caps we have this won. I am sure everyone will see sense tomorrow in this.

ok so here is how it stands edoc is outted in montague blue,but when general outs himself looking for R&J edoc starts talking to him and they start confirming an alternate WC, edoc has no reason at this point to go with general unless there is an alternate WC we dont know about.

They have the same WC and are part of a separate faction, both of them confirm this in their recent posts. I feel sorry for you jgordon but there is no way you can win this game.

[jgordon1111]

LOL it was seeing if history could be written different I was after. Yes I like to win but this seemed a more noble effort if it was true

[jgordon1111]

there is a definite reason edoc has montague blue and general had green but they have a WC that works you watch.

[edocsil]

here is why I think edoc is romeo,right out the gate as soon as I claimed and said to edoc we were aligned he vehemently denied this,at that point he had no reason to say so,unless he had an alternate WC that didnt fit with the montague family and he is not our vig.

That is really what got me to thinking about not killing him,and looking at a possible win condition we may not have known about.

And I say to everyone go back, think about the time frame zimmah got this game going,and what he said. Really read what he said,the implications are there, Its like a doc in a different type of game dropping hints about his role if you look.

It is pretty obvious Edoc is Romeo if you read through day 1. Then he admits it himself when I call him romeo and then no one counter claims, that is pretty much 100%

And dazza this is the better win. Dont switch sides

The "better" win is the more likely one. My win will happen quickly and decisively as soon as everyone wakes up.

ARRRG. I would give my left nut for my faction to have a kill!

I think this post is very telling, edoc knows that if we band together we have won. Also he calls his group a "faction" the connotations of this suggest a war between 3 factions not a situation where everyone can win.

As for the character list there are a few mistakes in it. Bloodgreen is the mason partner in montegue I reckon, almost everyone else posted prior to the counter claim so it makes sense if it was him.

Also a lot of people are claiming to be capulets; Leehar, spartacus, sg7 and a semi-claim by alt (probably 3rd party). This on top of a vig is really weird. Then there is chapcrap, he was defo scared of claiming, possibly the apothecary.

None of this really matters though, if everyone except the montegues and r&j party vote with the caps we have this won. I am sure everyone will see sense tomorrow in this.

ok so here is how it stands edoc is outted in montague blue,but when general outs himself looking for R&J edoc starts talking to him and they start confirming an alternate WC, edoc has no reason at this point to go with general unless there is an alternate WC we dont know about.

They have the same WC and are part of a separate faction, both of them confirm this in their recent posts. I feel sorry for you jgordon but there is no way you can win this game.

I have a lot to say about the balance of this once I am done. However you speculation of my wording is way off. This is the definition of a faction game. No one faction can win without help from the others.

Also, there are 14 players. It is going to be 5 days of lynching and random NKs, due Paris trying to kill me w/ driving. Nothing is going to be certain about the nights with him here. Hang Paris and then your vigging will never hit the wrong target. I live a bit longer and we can sort out how all this will go in the next few days. If you beat the Montagues bloody at nights what would the harm be with trying my WC? All I need is a NL on the last day to earn a victory for the survivors. If I lie you have your superior numbers to finish the job anyhow.

[pmchugh]

Edoc I don't doubt how you win, I just doubt that I win with you and that is a risk I am not willing to take when we have the win tied up.

As for the busdriver that is easily solved, he doesn't have to take an action tonight as we agreed to lynch you tomorrow. This means you die and he wins with us.

[zimmah]

all will be explained in detail at the end of the game. then we can also discusss balance.

right now let's just enjoy the game, i don't want to make any spoilers anymore.

fixed the OP too

[edocsil]

Edoc I don't doubt how you win, I just doubt that I win with you and that is a risk I am not willing to take when we have the win tied up.

As for the busdriver that is easily solved, he doesn't have to take an action tonight as we agreed to lynch you tomorrow. This means you die and he wins with us.

So much for that.

[safariguy5]

Edoc I don't doubt how you win, I just doubt that I win with you and that is a risk I am not willing to take when we have the win tied up.

As for the busdriver that is easily solved, he doesn't have to take an action tonight as we agreed to lynch you tomorrow. This means you die and he wins with us.

So much for that.

So here are my actions. Remember, I only redirect one person onto the other, it's not a two way thing like a true busdriver.

Night 1 I redirected Sg7 towards dazza
Night 2 I redirected Sg7 towards jgordon
Night 3 redirected alt towards dazza

So yeah, so far pmc is the main person to offer me a way to win. Several other people have voted/called for my lynch. If all that's required of me is to vote no lynch and promise not to busdrive anyone, then I'm fine with that. Or better yet, I'll target myself and redirect all actions targeted at me to one person of Pmc's choosing. That way, if the vig tries to take me out tonight, he'll end up hitting someone who isn't on my side. Either way works, but I'll let pmc have the final say.

Also, hat tip to sg7 for at least believing in me.
If it really matters, my character name is in this yellowish-orangish color.

[alt1978]

unvote safari guy.

Looks like I was bus-driven and role-blocked all on the same night...

[alt1978]

sorry for the double post...forgot to go red.

Unvote safari guy

[safariguy5]

unvote safari guy.

Looks like I was bus-driven and role-blocked all on the same night...

Well as I explained before, anyone who targeted you was redirected to dazza. Therefore, I strongly doubt you were roleblocked because if someone had targeted you for one then it would have roleblocked dazza. It doesn't mean that roleblocking dazza was redirected to you too.

Not sure if this is important for one of the factions, but that's my clarification.

[alt1978]

That might be important...I'm new and maybe revealing too much here for my own good...but jgordon said that he role-blocked me night three.

Re: Romeo and Juliet Mafia [14/16] Day Three

Postby jgordon1111 on Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:31 pm
well the person I blocked last night was Alt1978

If that were true...and I have no reason to believe that it isn't...how did dazza complete his night action? Jgordon...if it was gamemanship and I wasn't the one that you roleblocked night three...I don't think it reflects poorly on you at all...but if you did roleblock me (as i tend to believe you did)...I don't understand how if night three I was busdriven dazza could have completed his task. My understanding of busdriving was how safariguy states it...that if i were busdriven...and roleblocked...there is no way dazza should have been able to pull that off.

In my mind...there is either a mechanism in the "modified" part of the bus-driving that I don't understand...Jgordon did not in fact role block me...or safariguy did not bus-drive me night three.

I am really leaning towards the first one...but if anyone has any insight into this...I think there is something important to be gathered from all of this.

[jgordon1111]

I in fact did send my pm for you to be blocked alt,and I never heard until now that something different happened, did you try a night action that was unsuccessful. Because if you did that means saf is the actual vig,and is lying

[shieldgenerator7]

maybe a roleblocker blocked jgordon?

[pmchugh]

All of this is irrelevant. Let sate this unequivically.

People in team Cap:

pmchugh- obvious
leehar- claimed roleblocker for caps
alt- said he was on the side of the caps
dazza- said he was on the side of the caps as a 3rd party
sarifguy - said he was on the side of the caps 3rd party
sg7 - pretty sure he is a cap
spartacus- claimed family member, seemed to say he wanted to trust original WC, this suggests cap

This gives us a minimum of 7, though I suspect chapcrap will be on our side to when he posts.

Other Side:
Romeo- edoc
thegeneral
Juliet

Alive montegues:
mason 1- ghost
mason 2 probs green
jgordon

This means we are up 7-6, probably 8-6. No lynch will be reached today, we kill tonight and we win tomorrow when we lynch romeo.. simples.

BOOM

Any Questions?

[jgordon1111]

could be but at that time wasnt aware the capulets were working against us.