Political Mafia -- Liberals Win

[madmitch]

@ / What do you already win as a lyncher? you won,t win if we vote you out will you? Steaker maybe you should call for another vote and see what happens

[Streaker]

@ / What do you already win as a lyncher? you won,t win if we vote you out will you? Steaker maybe you should call for another vote and see what happens

Mitch, / won the game when Tonka was lynched. Even if he dies, he would still win.
If / is telling the truth, us Cons are pretty f*****ed this game. That's why HOWEVER IS PERFORMING THOSE NK'S NEEDS TO START TAKING DOWN CULT INSTEAD OF LIB/CON. Preferably a lib cult lol.

Honestly what good would a round of voting do right now?

[Ragian]

Nothing. We are being picked apart.

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mmkay, it seems like the majority of us are not opposed with working with cult. Ideally, everyone alive can win if we all cooperate.

What we know so far; libs and cons seem to be mirror images in roles, by process of elimination, we can determine what's still alive.

Con Leader: Got Tonkaed (Dead) ---------------------------------------------- Lib Leader: /
Con Double Voter: ???-------------------------------------------------------------- Lib Double Voter: dakky21 (Dead)
Con Filibuster: Ragian (probably, based on what he said yesterday)--Lib Filibuster: Endgame422 (Dead)
Con Whip: ??? -------------------------------------------------------------------------Lib Whip: JemesKer1 (Dead)
Con Vote Thief: virus90 (Dead)---------------------------------------------------Lib Vote Thief: ???
Con Politician 1: HotShot53 (Dead)--------------------------------------------- Lib Politician 1:???
Con Politician 2: BGtheBrain (Dead)---------------------------------------------Lib Politician 2:???

Cult Leader: Secret for now
Survivor: Epitaph1

Form a meta perspective, there probably aren't any more third parties. That means, in all likelihood, either Epi is SK, Cult Leader has a kill, OR, the killer is the conservative whip, possibly turned cult already.

Since we actually have the whip narrowed down to 3 people (2 actually, since I know who the cult leader is) I would like to ask the whip to claim whether or not they are the killer. If they are the killer, I would like to call a truce, no kills each night, no lynches during the day, everyone gets recruited one by one.

[Streaker]

'everyone get recruited one by one and everyone win'

You can't possibly be serial about that? Also with the information you have, you probably have the SK zeroed down to 1 or 2 possible suspects. Who made you the cult pathmaker, /?

[Streaker]

Also fishing alert, whip should NOT out himself.

[Army of GOD]

why is / so sure there's a cult? has there been any evidence of one?

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'everyone get recruited one by one and everyone win'

You can't possibly be serial about that? Also with the information you have, you probably have the SK zeroed down to 1 or 2 possible suspects. Who made you the cult pathmaker, /?

Haha, well, if you want to go down fighting, I won't get in the way, it will probably be more fun that way.
But still, I have a feeling that everyone can win with cult based on its strange nature.
I should elaborate.
Normal cult: you get recruited, you know who everyone is, you plot at night like mafia, you win when you outnumber town.
This Lobbyist cult: You get recruited, you know who the boss is, you don't talk at night, you are otherwise as blind as cons or libs.
In other words, since cons don't win by numbers, and libs don't win by numbers, I don't think cult wins by numbers either, ergo, it's down to the last man since cult can accidentally lynch cult at any time.

why is / so sure there's a cult? has there been any evidence of one?

Um, because I am cult... technically.

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I should also mention, based on the flavor text, there's not much of a reason that the cult shouldn't dissolve if the leader dies...

Meh, I don't really care anymore, I'm just giving the surviving libs the highest probable win methods out of gratitude. Figuring out if the whip is the killer at this stage would make it numerically impossible for a SK Epi to get rid of everyone before endgame.

[Epitaph1]

I was just about to ask if the cult members would die if the leader were to get killed. I've seen that in games, but idk if it would be the case here. If the cult recruited the SK, they are on easy street if that is the case because I don't see the leader getting lynched unless the remaining libs and cons unite.

Btw, NoS suggested IB is the cult leader, but I don't think that's that case since GoT considered the leader a friend of the conservatives.

[NoSurvivors]

I was just about to ask if the cult members would die if the leader were to get killed. I've seen that in games, but idk if it would be the case here. If the cult recruited the SK, they are on easy street if that is the case because I don't see the leader getting lynched unless the remaining libs and cons unite.

Btw, NoS suggested IB is the cult leader, but I don't think that's that case since GoT considered the leader a friend of the conservatives.

He didn't know there was a cult I dont think. He just saw "3rd party" likely.

I dont know who the cult leader is. I dont think epi is the killer. I will claim if / wants me to, but only if he does (although I guess it only helps the cult if they know who is who out of the remainder of us).

I am not in the cult, hell, I dont even know how a cult works. If someone could explain thatd be awesome ...

Mitch wanting a vote right now makes me really suspicious of him.

[Iron Butterfly]

I should also mention, based on the flavor text, there's not much of a reason that the cult shouldn't dissolve if the leader dies...

Meh, I don't really care anymore, I'm just giving the surviving libs the highest probable win methods out of gratitude. Figuring out if the whip is the killer at this stage would make it numerically impossible for a SK Epi to get rid of everyone before endgame.

You want the libs to win but to do so would be at the expense of the cons.

Seeing how the cats out of the bag I happen to know a few things you have left out. I was recruited day one. I started as a VT liberal. Thats right Vanilla Townie. Not everyone had powers.
However two things you did not mention. 1) Our alignment has changed. 2) When we die we will not flip anything special.

Heres the deal / and libs...if you let slip who is cult leader...maybe it's me and maybe its not...but make no mistake...I am cult and want to win. Screw with it and I will see that the cons or SK wins. Cause frankly I will work in whatever way I can to make sure sk gets the right folks AND the remaining libs are killed. We had a fairly certain victory till your sentimental teary heart wanted a win for the home team. You want your remaining buddies to live? We can offer them a case of cash to serve our political cause.*grin* as that is the root of all evil in politics.

You have already won so you don't give a crap per your words. I have no control over the night killer, however if we go with a no lynch today we will hand over a lovely suitcase of cash to a lib tonite. If the sk needs to kill the party with the most that would be us. He can target you. Frankly I think he can win with cult, I am willing to gamble on it.

Screw with us...well I have said my peace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9AH4vG2wA

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[Iron Butterfly]

Yeh I am not the recruiter...I realized in my zeal and annoyance that I said I was VT and maybe I was recruiter. My message still stands.

[NoSurvivors]

The whip is not the killer. He is killing both libs and cons.

Unless he was recruited N1 which he wasn't (unless IB is lying but I don't think he is), the killer is either a 3p or the leader of the cult as a con died N1 if I remember correctly. The con whip wouldn't kill a con. Therefore IDGAF who the con whip is. I want that leader's head on a silver platter, /.
It's either cult leader or epi. I'm going with cult leader. If he flips and there's a NK, we kill epi.

Does my logic make sense?

[Iron Butterfly]

The whip is not the killer. He is killing both libs and cons.

Unless he was recruited N1 which he wasn't (unless IB is lying but I don't think he is), the killer is either a 3p or the leader of the cult as a con died N1 if I remember correctly. The con whip wouldn't kill a con. Therefore IDGAF who the con whip is. I want that leader's head on a silver platter, /.
It's either cult leader or epi. I'm going with cult leader. If he flips and there's a NK, we kill epi.

Does my logic make sense?

No. You think the cult leader would be able to recruit AND kill?? That would be game breaking..think about it. One of the safe guards is that when someone flips their will be no indication that they were Town, which means that in actuality a cult member has already been killed. / will confirm that.

The important person in this game at this point is the SK or whatever they are called. All sides can not win. we can however assure that as many people can win as possible. I am however fairly certain that there are two other cult members besides myself and Mr. Sentimental / .

And here is our insurance card.It may after all be in cults best interest to reveal our cult leader at the end of the day so he is not accidentally shot. If any cult is night killed that tells us that cult needs to be killed as well. It would then be in our best interest to help kill the sk.

So to sum up. SK can win if he plays ball. Epi can win. / has already won. We can see to it that as many win as possible.

So NoS this chatty enough for you now I will now be playing above the radar.

[Streaker]

'everyone get recruited one by one and everyone win'

You can't possibly be serial about that? Also with the information you have, you probably have the SK zeroed down to 1 or 2 possible suspects. Who made you the cult pathmaker, /?

Haha, well, if you want to go down fighting, I won't get in the way, it will probably be more fun that way.
But still, I have a feeling that everyone can win with cult based on its strange nature.
I should elaborate.
Normal cult: you get recruited, you know who everyone is, you plot at night like mafia, you win when you outnumber town.
This Lobbyist cult: You get recruited, you know who the boss is, you don't talk at night, you are otherwise as blind as cons or libs.
In other words, since cons don't win by numbers, and libs don't win by numbers, I don't think cult wins by numbers either, ergo, it's down to the last man since cult can accidentally lynch cult at any time.

why is / so sure there's a cult? has there been any evidence of one?

Um, because I am cult... technically.

You say you know who the recruiter is, and only that. How did you manage to come by the information of cult numbers? Either you lied about what you know, or you lied about the cult setup.
Either way, it's clear you should not be trusted on this.
Also, killing cult leader today would make for a VERY interesting game indeed. So spill, who is it so we can get this show on the road again.

Probably still going to be IB lol

[Ragian]

@IB, given my role, I can make sure that there's no lynch tonight. Can you get me on a winning team?

mmmm...politics...

[NoSurvivors]

@IB, given my role, I can make sure that there's no lynch tonight. Can you get me on a winning team?

mmmm...politics...

Just like yesterday?

And yeah IBim being chatty, and I know I'm probably going to be killed, but I'd rather go down fighting than take the wuss way out.

Give me the cult leader or give me death! (Or both!)

[Epitaph1]

I'm confused as well.

/ says the cult members only know who the boss is.

IB says he knows 1 cult member who has already been killed.

Do you guys know the other cult members or not? For those of us who aren't cult, we could probably look back at IB's voting to see if he avoided voting for someone in particular or if he followed someone else's vote.

IB, was the cult member lynched or NK'd?

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IB is just being silly to look cool. See below

:lol: Yeh I am not the recruiter...I realized in my zeal and annoyance that I said I was VT and maybe I was recruiter. My message still stands.

His math doesn't work even if he were the only one speaking, so obviously he isn't the one telling the truth. There have been three nights. IB was recruited night one, I can confirm this, as per my ability to see the list of liberals. (I kept my mouth shut to keep our numbers up during the voting rounds.) Some conservative was recruited night two, I guess? It makes sense as long as the recruiter didn't miss an action. I was recruited last night. IB thinks that second recruit was killed, and also is among us, soo yeah. I'm going to say he doesn't know what he's talking about.

which means that in actuality a cult member has already been killed. / will confirm that.

I am however fairly certain that there are two other cult members besides myself and Mr. Sentimental / .

As for flipping a fake alliance upon death, maybe? I was told my role name didn't change, so I guess it's possible.

Anyways, NoS wants the name, Streaker wants the name, heck even our cultist IB is okay with giving out the name, so who am I to refuse?
If you couldn't guess by process of elimination, or his meltdown at the top of the page; it's madmitch.

[Streaker]

IB is just being silly to look cool. See below

:lol: Yeh I am not the recruiter...I realized in my zeal and annoyance that I said I was VT and maybe I was recruiter. My message still stands.

His math doesn't work even if he were the only one speaking, so obviously he isn't the one telling the truth. There have been three nights. IB was recruited night one, I can confirm this, as per my ability to see the list of liberals. (I kept my mouth shut to keep our numbers up during the voting rounds.) Some conservative was recruited night two, I guess? It makes sense as long as the recruiter didn't miss an action. I was recruited last night. IB thinks that second recruit was killed, and also is among us, soo yeah. I'm going to say he doesn't know what he's talking about.

which means that in actuality a cult member has already been killed. / will confirm that.

I am however fairly certain that there are two other cult members besides myself and Mr. Sentimental / .

As for flipping a fake alliance upon death, maybe? I was told my role name didn't change, so I guess it's possible.

Anyways, NoS wants the name, Streaker wants the name, heck even our cultist IB is okay with giving out the name, so who am I to refuse?
If you couldn't guess by process of elimination, or his meltdown at the top of the page; it's madmitch.

I have madmitch pinned as SK. Though recruiter could make sense just as much, seeing how quick he is to push night phases.
A recruit and NK would be OP. Just like Epi's day kill makes it unlikely he is the SK.

Back to the drawing board

[madmitch]

I am no killer, I am just poor politician trying to win at the polls, I wish someone would offer me money I WOULD JUMP ON THAT DEAL QUICK.

[Iron Butterfly]

/ you know as well as I do the set up. So cut the crap. What you know I know. There is a "chance" that a cult member was killed during a lynch or night kill but we both know that there are 3 of us at least. I am fairly certian we have 4 though. I speak in generalities because when cult dies they flip their original role without appearance of being anything. This is what / was referring to with "Blind cult" We are recruited but have no idea who our members are and they don't flip as cult.

@ragion...winning team..eh? Well we seem to have a Mexican standoff at the moment. I can not speak for other players. Epi and SK would win with us IF they choose to work with us.
I would alsolike to know how your night action works. Seeing how you say you can prevent a night kill.

If I appear antagonistic I am. / ruined our assured victory for loyalty to the libs, whatever the Hell that means, so he better figure away for us to still win.

As it stands ALL of us can not win. I am open to suggestion, I am open to compromise I am not open to losing and with us more people can actually WIN as well.

[NoSurvivors]

I want Mitch's head.

If Mitch dies, will the cult members revert to their original alignment?

[NoSurvivors]

IB I understand you wanting everyone to win as it's easy but then what's the point in playing on?

More fun this way