New Jedi Order Mafia MOZ & VONG WIN

[Koesen]

Jake, I don't mind you trying when you're actually in the game, but when you're not, you need to shut up.

Anarkistsdream: you forgot to unvote.

Doc: I say you should protect Wicked.

AK Iceman: if you survive this day, you will become a case study at Scum University. I'm impressed you're still alive. I've seen people get killed for a quarter of the stuff you pulled off

[ga7]

Bugger off Jake, you're not in this game.
Although I'm very confused by his earlier posts and his seemingly mindless defending of Ak, I don't find Nag suspicious at this point.
As for the Han solo claim, well I think it might be the only authentic element of Ak's long thread of BS; at least I find it plausible that he would be 3rd party to screw with us.

[Serbia]

Forgot to put my Unvote in blue.

VOTE: Fircoal He's disappeared. And MM, quit goofing off, or you'll start getting compared to NES.

Hey, Mr. Mod, I unvoted and voted Fircoal, see?

Where's lifesaver been?

[Koesen]

I think Nagerous' identity is really pretty obvious now. He dropped enough hints for a blind horse to pick up.

The only question I have for Nagerous is, how sure are you the jedi won his duel? Absolutely, positively 100%? If not, you're asking us to take a huge risk.

[Anarkistsdream]

Unvote

Vote: Iceman

[AK_iceman]

And the reason I claimed cop is because I thought you had dropped the hammer on me. Mandy would have announced it anyway, so why not tell you in advance so you can discuss your options for the night and the following day?

Nah a real cop would've claimed before the hammer was dropped. You were probably hoping there was a mayor type that could save a lynch so fake claimed after the lynch in a last ditch effort to save yourself. And probably hoping someone would counterclaim to out the real cop. Then of course you'd say, well there can be two cops in a game this big. The fact you only roleclaimed after you were dead and took an awful long time while at lynch-1 to produce a name is why I'm leaving my vote where it is.

What? I didn't understand the part in bold... Why would I lie about my role after I'd been hammered? Mandy would just post the lynch scene and tell you my role anyway. I didn't even notice that moz hadn't unvoted until I went to do a Final Vote Count so that you could see everyone that had been on my bandwagon, and by then I had already told my role.

[Serbia]

She's suggesting that you intentionally lied about the vote count, and claimed cop then, acting like you'd been lynched but KNOWING that you needed one more vote, in the hope that a mayor would jump in and save you.

[wicked]

IC you know how mayors work and how scum will still fake claim after death to be saved. Don't play the noob card, doesn't work for ya.

[AK_iceman]

I've been thinking about it, and I still think AK is the most suspicious one. Let's go over what happened:
1. AK, out of the blue, says he investigated Wicked and got a scum result, 100% garantueed. He then disappears.

It's called work. A job. Some of us do it for a living. Sorry I couldn't stay home and play games all day.

2. A bandwagon develops against Wicked, which AK later claims he didn't expect, or at least not to that extent. Yeah right.

I didn't expect wicked would claim her role. I expected the bandwagon, which was kinda the whole point! I figured they wouldn't lynch her until they had heard from me again, so she was safe.

3. Wicked offers a convincing roleclaim, and the bandwagon switches to AK. Another thing he says he didn't see coming. Sure. That's only the second most likely thing to happen after an accusation like that.

I wasn't sure if the bandwagon would switch to me, and I certainly didn't expect it to get to Lynch -1. If I had posted my big post that night, it wouldn't have been so close.

4. Just before dying, AK promises a big post, then disappears for most of the day.

Sleep is good. I had typed for an hour on that post, then lost it because of a power outage. I was tired and frustrated, so I went to bed after letting you all know I had a big post coming.

5. AK confesses to lying about his role and Wicked, saying he wanted to see who jumped on the bandwagon, claiming he didn't expect his 100% garantueed remark would nearly kill either Wicked or himself.

Most experienced players will wait to hear a defense before lynching someone. I didn't think anyone would die until I had a chance to post again and explain.[/quote]

6. AK presents us with a vote count, putting himself at lynch -1.
7. Moz, we all believe, hammers.

The vote count was correct. Several people were on at the time of moz's vote, and nobody noticed he hadn't unvoted until later.

8. AK says he's really the cop, and since we all believe he's dead, we all believe he's telling the truth.

Since Mandy was going to post my role soon anyway, I claimed early so you all could discuss your night options.

9. Oh, looky, AK's votecount was incorrect and he's not dead after all. Immediately the bandwagon dissolves, although the question rises if AK perhaps realized all along he wasn't really dead, and perhaps created the misunderstanding to gain some badly needed credibility. From this point on, people still believe he's the cop, because he somehow hangs on to the credibility gained from his supposed death.

Not at all. I honestly thought I was dead as did several other players. Only when I went back to do a Final Vote Count for the day did I notice moz hadn't unvoted.

10. More discussion, leading to what amounts to roleclaims from Moz and Nagerous. Now, thanks to AK, four people have essentially claimed, even though Mandy clearly stated this would be bad for town.

Wth? How are you going to blame moz's claim on me? Wicked's maybe... but nobody else had to claim based on my actions. What was nagerous's claim? I might have missed that part...

So what did we gain from this stunt?

- One self confessed liar
- Four roleclaims
- Dozens of pages of confusion
- One vague lead againt Exile, whose main crime seems to be that he isn't a jedi.

And what will we get tomorrow?

I bet there will be another post from AK, saying he investigated Soandso and he turned out scum! Really! No, honestly, no lies this time around!

Sound farfetched? Perhaps, but would anybody have believed it if you had been told AK would pull a stunt like this on Day One and live this long?

I'm not sure just what AK is, but I am sure what he's not, and that's credible. It might be a mistake, but I just don't find myself willing to lynch anybody on his say so.

Do you see the glass as half-full, or half-empty? I'm going to guess the latter. No matter what the situation, you'll find the negative and hold on for dear life. I did make up a story about my role, and my investigation earlier, and that was to procure some evidence for the town. Everything after that I have told the truth, and if I'm lynched today, or night killed, or whatever... you'll believe me after Mandy posts the scene. But just remember what you'll be losing in order to gain that trust.

[Fircoal]

WOW! That was a lot to read. For those who are getting on me for not posting. How can I post when I'm at school? I can't now can I? And then I have to read through all of the posts that happened.

First of all I think Moz's claim is a bit odd, but it does explain why he would have lynched AK. Though lynching him for being retarded and so scummy could of also been valid in my book.

I think AK could of rigged it in a way where he knew that he didn't really die. But then again, maybe not because if you remember he only said his role after Pancake told him too. There is a chance of Moz and AK working together to try to further themselves, and to get that fake cop claim of AK's in. But the chances of this are unlikely as the game started with day, resulting in no time for the mafia to talk.

Still I have a feeling that AK is scum. so Vote: AK

[AK_iceman]

The more i read your posts the more i believe that you are lying. Either was it a very bad strategy from the beginning on (which I believe less considering your experience in mafia games), or you have been lying all/most of the time. And I agree with MM, lynching you will reveal the most information to us. Based on the info we will get we can make most conclusions about other players like moz ( i assume he is saying the truth), wicked ( i'm pretty sure she is what she claimed) and exile (as i posted before he is most probable mafia). And with a much smaller probability, if you are really a cop, you deserved to be lynched with that kind of play.

For mandy: I posted my corrected vote for AK_iceman before, but saw you didn't count it, so again

Unvote
Vote: AK_iceman

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I think Exile is scum, you think Exile is scum. Why not lynch him, and if he's scum then you'll know that I'm not.

[Skittles!]

Interesting.

Firstly, to the people that FOS'ed me, the reason I'm not in this as much is because I have a friend over and he keeps telling me to get off the comp so we can do something else, which necessarily makes me not have big posts.

Secondly, the part involving IC/Moz/ whomever else, it's all a big circuit with twists and turns. I'm not too sure about anything at the moment. Funny enough that IC is posting more now than before he role-claimed, is that because he's pulled something huge off, and struggling to get from the hole of lynchs?

Moz.. He claim seems solid. The information that he gave us against IC turned the spotlight on IC again.

Also funny how Exile has started posting more after he got a few votes. What's with that and everyone? Oh well, I'm going to unvote him and see anymore info.

[Koesen]

AK, you may be town and you may be scum, but if people have a hard time trusting you now, you only have yourself to blame. It's not about half full or half empty, it's about you radically changing your story and behaving in a way no cop should, in my opinion.

If you turn out to be a cop, I'll reconsider your ideas, but for now, you're past the point where I'm just going to take your word that this time around you're not lying.

[pancakemix]

Moz's post is a little weird. Knowing Han Solo isn't town is pretty odd, but I suppose nothing is impossible in this game. The fact that AK lied is still a lie, and if he isn't lying, he shouldn't have done what he did. If a cop is going to risk himself and a person who is likely to be town to find bandwagonners, maybe he shouldn't be the cop.

Unvote (if necessary)

Vote AK

[trestain]

right then anark, this is getting us no-where if anything it's just blinkering me from the rest of the game and for now there is a lot more going on that needs looking at sounvote.(i think i was still voting you).

ok exile says he knows that the mafia have fake role claims. we know for a fact that he did not get this info from this thread, also i believe mandalorian said exile has no more info than the rest of us. he was also the main lead from AK's bandwagon tactic.

AK has admitted to lying to the town to start a bandwagon, causing several role claims and then claimed to be our cop hans solo, which moz says is a independant looking after his own needs, maybe a cultist role and not cop because of his characters ability.

now i think that moz is probabley telling the truth which means the only true words that have come out of AK's mouth all day is his characters name, but we are going to have to rely on some quite big coincidences in Moz's story, (being he was given info on hans solo one of only 2 people in a 31 player game that have claimed names in this thread). while one of these is definately lying i don't want to make the wrong choice as one of these players has definately got a very helpful power for the town. so my vote will be going on exile as all the arguments against him cannot be refuted.


vote the1exile

[Skittles!]

The more i read your posts the more i believe that you are lying. Either was it a very bad strategy from the beginning on (which I believe less considering your experience in mafia games), or you have been lying all/most of the time. And I agree with MM, lynching you will reveal the most information to us. Based on the info we will get we can make most conclusions about other players like moz ( i assume he is saying the truth), wicked ( i'm pretty sure she is what she claimed) and exile (as i posted before he is most probable mafia). And with a much smaller probability, if you are really a cop, you deserved to be lynched with that kind of play.

For mandy: I posted my corrected vote for AK_iceman before, but saw you didn't count it, so again

Unvote
Vote: AK_iceman

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I think Exile is scum, you think Exile is scum. Why not lynch him, and if he's scum then you'll know that I'm not.

The whole "Don't lynch me, lynch him, because we both think he's scum" tactic. Very amusing.

[AK_iceman]

one more thing which I wanted to emphasize again:

AK,

first you posted a vote count which was not usual, and actually a wrong one
about 40 minutes later than moz voted you
about 15 minutes later you claimed to be cop
than others started to unvote you
than suddenly it was realised that you made a miscount and you were not lynched actually

I highly suspect that you made a miscount on purpose, with the aim of roleclaiming a cop later, so that at least some of the players will unvote you very quickly!

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My big post contained 4 seperate Vote Counts, all of them were correct and the whole point was to emphasize the players that were on the different bandwagons. Moz voted me, but he had forgotten to unvote, which is the only thing that saved me. Yeah, I missed that part as did several other players and I did roleclaim under the belief that I was dead. Maybe you should be looking at Aimless, jnd94, Koesen, freezie, Fircoal, pancakemix, ga7, Serbia, and moz976? They were all online when moz voted, and they didn't catch it either.

[Koesen]

We didn't catch it because we trusted your count. Just like many of us trusted you when you said Wicked was 100% scum.

Dude, you can argue all night long and you may even speak the truth this time, but the bottom line is that if you're caught lying once, people will have a hard time taking your word over anybody else's.

[AK_iceman]

IC you know how mayors work and how scum will still fake claim after death to be saved. Don't play the noob card, doesn't work for ya.

I've never played in a game with a Mayor Role. Never seen it used before, so no, I didn't know.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Unvote Vote ice It would make sense that han solo was an independent type character. Even if he was "cop", I'm doubting that he is a "true cop" b/c I think someone posted his bio earlier stating that he became an alcoholic. If that was the case, at worse I'm thinking we lynch a possible not true cop while at best we are lynching either a sk, cult leader, or just a general dumbass in this game.

Jnd, you might be referring to me instead of Skittles for the 20 more pages things but I was actually rereading contrary to the submariners, off the top of my head: Skittles, Life Saver, Fir a bit, LSU (strangely silent)...
Anyway, to serious business.

GA you may have noticed that I haven't been posting all that much in ANY game lately as I'm at school teaching from 7 til 3 each day. Usually I don't get on the internet in the afternoon/evening until about 5 or later while I may occasionally get to check the net on my break period, but not always. I get up for 5am to get ready for work so usually I am in bed sleeping before it gets too late maybe 10 to 1030 and will comment during that time and usually at least read during the morning as I'm getting ready for work to leave for 6.

[wicked]

IC you know how mayors work and how scum will still fake claim after death to be saved. Don't play the noob card, doesn't work for ya.

I've never played in a game with a Mayor Role. Never seen it used before, so no, I didn't know.

I thought for sure you were in one of andy's game with a mayor, but I can't be certain. I do know you've watched a lot of games and we've talked about different roles, so I find your above statement very far-fetched.

[Fircoal]

one more thing which I wanted to emphasize again:

AK,

first you posted a vote count which was not usual, and actually a wrong one
about 40 minutes later than moz voted you
about 15 minutes later you claimed to be cop
than others started to unvote you
than suddenly it was realised that you made a miscount and you were not lynched actually

I highly suspect that you made a miscount on purpose, with the aim of roleclaiming a cop later, so that at least some of the players will unvote you very quickly!

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My big post contained 4 seperate Vote Counts, all of them were correct and the whole point was to emphasize the players that were on the different bandwagons. Moz voted me, but he had forgotten to unvote, which is the only thing that saved me. Yeah, I missed that part as did several other players and I did roleclaim under the belief that I was dead. Maybe you should be looking at Aimless, jnd94, Koesen, freezie, Fircoal, pancakemix, ga7, Serbia, and moz976? They were all online when moz voted, and they didn't catch it either.

W00T! SCUM TRYING TO SPREAD THE BLAME AROUND! LET'S ALL TIME SOME IT'S GOOD!

Why do you think we didn't? I had just been reading through the thread at the time, and only got to post after you had "died." And am I supposed to be keeping track of the votes in my head? I can't even do that in my games. I use excel. Besides you were the one that cared about the Vote count more then your life.

[Skittles!]

Eh, AK trying to squiggle his way out of danger via pushing others to vote for others.

vote AK_Iceman all evidence has been already said.

[wicked]

Im too tired to look back through, but does the losing dueler die? or is his identity revealed? I've been thinking about why IC wasn't worried about being so close to a lynch and the only reason I can come up with is he's unlynchable, i.e. a dueler. And I seriously doubt he's on the town side.

[Fircoal]

IC you know how mayors work and how scum will still fake claim after death to be saved. Don't play the noob card, doesn't work for ya.

I've never played in a game with a Mayor Role. Never seen it used before, so no, I didn't know.

I thought for sure you were in one of andy's game with a mayor, but I can't be certain. I do know you've watched a lot of games and we've talked about different roles, so I find your above statement very far-fetched.

Inquisition Mafia?