Prison Mafia TOWN WIN !!

[PepeAtila]

I am really confused about who can be mafia, but I will vote (this time) what majority decide.
But I want to tell you, for me the main souspicious are those with the 'voting machine-gun' , I mean those who quickly change their vote. This behavior make me thing they just know what 4/5 names are their team.
So I hope we can do a good election this time but please assemble your votes.

Any preference on if I should use the shank tonight? granted if I don't get lynched.

choose wisely, I don't want any town killed with shank.

[Dunk90]

Any preference on if I should use the shank tonight? granted if I don't get lynched.

Do we trust someone that has a shank and can use it on anyone?

[DukeHazzard]

Duke seems to be claiming some kind of supercop (or direct link to God)

why will you STILL not reveal what you asked on N1 & N2?

I have. So confession time... I made up the "note" that I found in my cell. That's my lie. That's what I've been trying to hide. I did it to try to give everyone the info WITHOUT revealing my ability. N1 I asked if Pix was Mafia. Answer, no. N2 I asked if Pepe was Mafia. Answer, no. Nobody seemed to believe the note anyway so I dropped that idea. Just a noob still trying to figure this shit out.

On day 3, you said:

And pershy agreeing with him? Is he also scummy?

I guess that's my scummy list right now

General Bax
pershy

Don't know why some of you are still riding on the Pepe train. I think the note I got clears him. And he can't defend today. Does that point toward his accusers as possible scummy?? Or am I just being a noob in fully trusting my note?

If pershy was the only living name on your scummy list, why did you ask about i-andrei?

I don't exactly remember. Something someone else said or something he said made me decide to go for i-andrei. And NO ONE else had any suspicions about pershy. Nor did anyone agree with me so I figured I was wrong.

Your actions don't seem to fit with what you have posted. Can you explain that?

My actions are all over the board bc I don't know what I'm doing. You say you don't understand my actions but I think this will be the 4th or 5th time I've labeled myself.... NOOB!

Why didn't he ask a question that he knew would be successful, ("Am I town?"), then use his day question to find out if a near lynch is town and stop a bad lynch? Repeat each day, and town should win easily.

My day question has to be asked fairly early in the "day". I don't think it would be useful in this way. Although, I didn't think of it to be honest. Maybe I should try it tonight??

[Maxleod]

I was not sure wether I should share iy or not but here we go:

I already said I'd received death threats:

Sent: Fri May 05, 2023 2:54 am
From: Razorvich
To: Maxleod
A message enters your mind....


"To be killed by a shank would be a rough way to end your time here, wouldn't it?
You haven't done much to prove to me you bleed town. DO BETTER"

But after that, the same day, I was slipped a note:

Sent: Fri May 05, 2023 10:34 pm
From: Razorvich
To: Maxleod
In the corner of your cell you see a folded paper

You have recieved a message.

"Pixar is mafia and that is for sure."

Please pay attention to the the terminology:

One message "enters my mind"
The second one is a "folded paper"

So that would mean it was two different persons who sent me these messages. I wonder what the author of the second message (Pix is mafia) was trying to achieve, seeing as I've been saying from the beggining (and was the first one to say it) that*Pixar* is mafia. Or 3rd party. but definitely not town.

[degaston]

I have. So confession time... I made up the "note" that I found in my cell. That's my lie. That's what I've been trying to hide. I did it to try to give everyone the info WITHOUT revealing my ability. N1 I asked if Pix was Mafia. Answer, no. N2 I asked if Pepe was Mafia. Answer, no. Nobody seemed to believe the note anyway so I dropped that idea. Just a noob still trying to figure this shit out.

Do you see why people say "lynch all liars"? How are we supposed to know whether you're lying about Pix and Pepe to protect fellow scum, telling the truth about them because you're scum trying to get town cred, or telling the truth because that's what really happened (or maybe something else is going on)? How do I know if I just wasted a couple of days worth of discussion because your story didn't smell right, or if you've finally found a suitable lie?

Though I'm still wondering...

I got this note during day 3. That's what prompted me to check the forum as I was unaware that day 3 had started.

Now you say there was no note, so this was a lie, too?

As for the "note",

I read that as Pepe and Pixar. pershy isn't capitalized. So they could be town or 3rd party. I don't know where the note came from. From what I have read, I think Pix is town. Pepe, I'm not so sure and he can't even defend himself today. I'm not sure who to vote for at this point, but I'm not voting P at this time.

I suppose you were just adding the "not sure about Pepe" for flavor and/or plausible deniability?

[*Pixar*]

Lol can confirm I was first message, whoever sent you that second message is a lie! Also Duke visited me N1 and can confirm I'm not mafia (If his role is true). Whoever sent you that message has tried to kill me at night my guessing and failed so the only way they can get me out is trying to convince you I'm scum and voting me. .

FP'dd by Deg

[degaston]

Lol can confirm I was first message, whoever sent you that second message is a lie! Also Duke visited me N1 and can confirm I'm not mafia (If his role is true). Whoever sent you that message has tried to kill me at night my guessing and failed so the only way they can get me out is trying to convince you I'm scum and voting me. .

FP'dd by Deg

Not sure what you are talking about here. What is the "first message" and what is the "second message"?

How do you know Duke visited you?

If he visited you, why was he not silenced?

He now seems to be claiming that he never received a message, but made it up as a way to expose his results.

[*Pixar*]

why will you STILL not reveal what you asked on N1 & N2?

I have. So confession time... I made up the "note" that I found in my cell. That's my lie. That's what I've been trying to hide. I did it to try to give everyone the info WITHOUT revealing my ability. N1 I asked if Pix was Mafia. Answer, no. N2 I asked if Pepe was Mafia. Answer, no. Nobody seemed to believe the note anyway so I dropped that idea. Just a noob still trying to figure this shit out.

This?

I was not sure wether I should share iy or not but here we go:

I already said I'd received death threats:

Sent: Fri May 05, 2023 2:54 am
From: Razorvich
To: Maxleod
A message enters your mind....


"To be killed by a shank would be a rough way to end your time here, wouldn't it?
You haven't done much to prove to me you bleed town. DO BETTER"

But after that, the same day, I was slipped a note:

Sent: Fri May 05, 2023 10:34 pm
From: Razorvich
To: Maxleod
In the corner of your cell you see a folded paper

You have recieved a message.

"Pixar is mafia and that is for sure."

Please pay attention to the the terminology:

One message "enters my mind"
The second one is a "folded paper"

So that would mean it was two different persons who sent me these messages. I wonder what the author of the second message (Pix is mafia) was trying to achieve, seeing as I've been saying from the beggining (and was the first one to say it) that*Pixar* is mafia. Or 3rd party. but definitely not town.

And this?

[degaston]

<quoted degaston and MaxLeod>

I don't understand what yo're saying. Are you responding to two different people here?

Duke says that he asks Raz a yes or no question, which doesn't seem like it should involve him visiting anyone. Why are you saying that Duke visited you on N1?

Duke was only talking about a single message that he made up on D3. Why are you quoting MaxLeod, and what does that have to do with anything I was talking about?

Please be clear about what you're talking about.

[degaston]

EBWOP:

<quoted degaston DukeHazzard and MaxLeod>

[*Pixar*]

<quoted degaston and MaxLeod>

I don't understand what yo're saying. Are you responding to two different people here?

Duke says that he asks Raz a yes or no question, which doesn't seem like it should involve him visiting anyone. Why are you saying that Duke visited you on N1?

Duke was only talking about a single message that he made up on D3. Why are you quoting MaxLeod, and what does that have to do with anything I was talking about?

Please be clear about what you're talking about.

Eh meant the same thing about duke, he asked if I was mafia which was a no. As for max he received a message saying I was mafia by someone who is more than likely scum trying to get a lynch started on me.

[*Pixar*]

Also noted that Dunk is the only one who has voted me so far… coincidence maybe maybe not

[fusibaseball]

Pretty sure Pixar and Duke are a tandem 3rd-party alliance. Look at a composite of what Duke has posted so far...

Day 1: Rides Halrob vote train (note Pixar jumps on hours after Duke votes halrob)
Day 2: Continues riding Halrob vote train
Day 3: Makes first post of contribution to the group, which is a now-debunked note trying to alleviate heat off Pixar's name
Day 4: Caught in progressively more lies, and the story keeps getting more elaborate and confusing

If you're Town, no way is that the path you take. Just go back and read all his posts back-to-back as aligned with Pixar and it lines up pretty nicely. And now Pixar is just blindly defending this visitation/yes-or-no questioning thread that makes zero sense....how do you have knowledge to confirm whether another player is broadly asking a yes or no question "Are you Mafia?". That doesn't even count as a visitation.

Of course I'd rather vote for a Mafia member, but I don't have a solid read on who that is at the moment. So I'll vote for Pixar or DukeHazzard and it doesn't really matter to me which one. They both seem to have overloaded roles. I'd lean towards Pixar because I think a lynch on him provides more utility. He has been at the center of much more conversation and, if confirmed 3rd party, would solidify a lot of allegiances I have in my head as "very likely/almost certain" right now which all of us can confirm individually if you go back through and read earlier pages. But I consider Duke more dangerous due to his quieter nature and taking less heat.

I think it's also very possible Josh used his ability/visitation/kill attempt with shank last night on Duke and was silenced for it. If you look at his chummy-to-scummy list, he's had Duke at the top, only behind Halrob since the start. So Duke may have silencing ability as well, it's just not as well-known because he hasn't received any interactions thus far. I think it's more likely Pixar's shank was handed to him by a 3rd-party alliance member.

Seems like a lot of folks like posting overnight in this group. So hopefully a majority vote gets going on 1 of them and I'll vote whoever gets a lynch off (in a perfect world) tomorrow AM. Pick your poison folks.

[degaston]

My day question has to be asked fairly early in the "day".

BTW, this also sounds like BS.

[fusibaseball]

My day question has to be asked fairly early in the "day".

BTW, this also sounds like BS.

Yeah, a lot of what they're both saying is just a crock of nonsense at this point. Half of what I'm reading doesn't make sense and I'm not spending hours trying to unpack it.

For a couple days there, I thought maybe Duke was a medium and I was coming up with ways in my head to defend his innocence because he has been at least participatory which I like (same with Pix). But...

A) He's asking his questions to the Mod, not a dead person -> not in the role
B) He's using this language of "successful" vs "unsuccessful" which doesn't really fit with the role...
C) He's tried to compensate for this poor choice of wording with this corresponding "day action" to constitutes a success -> not in the role

And with his first unique contribution to the group being a fabricated note trying to clear Pixar's name...that was the last straw for me. They're both definitely not Town, otherwise they wouldn't defend each other so much.

I have no idea what Pixar's role is at this point. He may be a Ghost, he may not.

I'll also say I have received ZERO notes. Zilch. I don't even read what all this note nonsense says anymore because it's either made up or sent by the Spy with the intent to confuse people.

[*Pixar*]

I don’t think I’ve defended duke one post so far? Lol

[fusibaseball]

Also Duke visited me N1 and can confirm I'm not mafia (If his role is true).

Duke isn't visiting you. He's asking a question to the Mod about whether you're Mafia (supposedly)

And if this WAS a visitation, why would you have knowledge of that?

[*Pixar*]

Also Duke visited me N1 and can confirm I'm not mafia (If his role is true).

Duke isn't visiting you. He's asking a question to the Mod about whether you're Mafia (supposedly)

And if this WAS a visitation, why would you have knowledge of that?

By visitation I meant his question to the mod

[fusibaseball]

Ok, great. How are you able to confirm whether Duke is asking a question to the Mod about whether you're Mafia?

[*Pixar*]

Duke seems to be claiming some kind of supercop (or direct link to God)

why will you STILL not reveal what you asked on N1 & N2?

I have. So confession time... I made up the "note" that I found in my cell. That's my lie. That's what I've been trying to hide. I did it to try to give everyone the info WITHOUT revealing my ability. N1 I asked if Pix was Mafia. Answer, no. N2 I asked if Pepe was Mafia. Answer, no. Nobody seemed to believe the note anyway so I dropped that idea. Just a noob still trying to figure this shit out.

On day 3, you said:

And pershy agreeing with him? Is he also scummy?

I guess that's my scummy list right now

General Bax
pershy

Don't know why some of you are still riding on the Pepe train. I think the note I got clears him. And he can't defend today. Does that point toward his accusers as possible scummy?? Or am I just being a noob in fully trusting my note?

If pershy was the only living name on your scummy list, why did you ask about i-andrei?

I don't exactly remember. Something someone else said or something he said made me decide to go for i-andrei. And NO ONE else had any suspicions about pershy. Nor did anyone agree with me so I figured I was wrong.

Your actions don't seem to fit with what you have posted. Can you explain that?

My actions are all over the board bc I don't know what I'm doing. You say you don't understand my actions but I think this will be the 4th or 5th time I've labeled myself.... NOOB!

Why didn't he ask a question that he knew would be successful, ("Am I town?"), then use his day question to find out if a near lynch is town and stop a bad lynch? Repeat each day, and town should win easily.

My day question has to be asked fairly early in the "day". I don't think it would be useful in this way. Although, I didn't think of it to be honest. Maybe I should try it tonight??

Paragraph in bold

[*Pixar*]

Not really confirmed like I said, not sure if he is making that shit up or not.

[fusibaseball]

Ok, see this is the problem everyone has...you just keep lying and lying until everyone can't see straight anymore.

That paragraph in bold is not evidence that you, individually, have the ability to confirm whether Duke asked the Mod whether you're Mafia or not. That paragraph is Duke's admission that he lied about a note written in the thread. That's actually evidence AGAINST you because any reasonable reader up to that point would surmise that you're third party, not Town. How Duke was coming to the magical conclusion Day 3 that you're town and "I won't vote for Pix at this time" I have no idea.

[DukeHazzard]

My day question has to be asked fairly early in the "day".

BTW, this also sounds like BS.

Yeah, a lot of what they're both saying is just a crock of nonsense at this point. Half of what I'm reading doesn't make sense and I'm not spending hours trying to unpack it.

For a couple days there, I thought maybe Duke was a medium and I was coming up with ways in my head to defend his innocence because he has been at least participatory which I like (same with Pix). But...

A) He's asking his questions to the Mod, not a dead person -> not in the role
B) He's using this language of "successful" vs "unsuccessful" which doesn't really fit with the role...
C) He's tried to compensate for this poor choice of wording with this corresponding "day action" to constitutes a success -> not in the role

And with his first unique contribution to the group being a fabricated note trying to clear Pixar's name...that was the last straw for me. They're both definitely not Town, otherwise they wouldn't defend each other so much.

I have no idea what Pixar's role is at this point. He may be a Ghost, he may not.

I'll also say I have received ZERO notes. Zilch. I don't even read what all this note nonsense says anymore because it's either made up or sent by the Spy with the intent to confuse people.

Ok, the exact wording of when I can ask a day question is "day question must be sent before limited period begins" I'm not really sure what the limited period is.

I don't know what you mean by "not in the role". I didn't know you handed out the roles? How would you know what is in "the role"?

FP by Pix and fusi many times

[fusibaseball]

Not really confirmed like I said, not sure if he is making that shit up or not.

Ok, great. So now we've backed completely off confirmation. So we'll add that to the list.

Why did you write initially that you confirmed his questioning?

[fusibaseball]

@Duke, see https://mafia.gg/guide/roles and scroll down to Medium

Most of Raz's roles (if not all) have tied to this page that I'm using as a reference. For instance actorday was revealed as Crier which is why Raz's "bellows from the cells" posts aren't populating Day 4 anymore.