Prison Mafia TOWN WIN !!

[DukeHazzard]

How Duke was coming to the magical conclusion Day 3 that you're town and "I won't vote for Pix at this time" I have no idea.

Out of the 2 choices left (3rd party or town) my guess was Pix was town at that time. Not so sure anymore but there was no magic involved.

FP by Fusi

[fusibaseball]

@Duke, are you a Medium?

[fusibaseball]

Also Duke visited me N1 and can confirm I'm not mafia (If his role is true).

@Duke, Pixar has now completely backed off this statement. Why do YOU think he wrote this?

[fusibaseball]

Too many lies, way too many lies.

Vote Pixar

Duke, I have a job for you. Tonight, ask Raz if I'm Town. You will 100% get a Yes response. Tomorrow during the day, before we lynch someone, we can use your ability to confirm that that player getting lynched is not Town. And if they are, Town can pivot to someone else. Deal?

[DukeHazzard]

@Duke, see https://mafia.gg/guide/roles and scroll down to Medium

Most of Raz's roles (if not all) have tied to this page that I'm using as a reference. For instance actorday was revealed as Crier which is why Raz's "bellows from the cells" posts aren't populating Day 4 anymore.

My role isn't in there by name at least.

[fusibaseball]

Very interesting. So we have our first unique role.

[DukeHazzard]

Too many lies, way too many lies.

Vote Pixar

Duke, I have a job for you. Tonight, ask Raz if I'm Town. You will 100% get a Yes response. Tomorrow during the day, before we lynch someone, we can use your ability to confirm that that player getting lynched is not Town. And if they are, Town can pivot to someone else. Deal?

I'm game but will anyone actually believe me?? I doubt it

[DukeHazzard]

Also Duke visited me N1 and can confirm I'm not mafia (If his role is true).

@Duke, Pixar has now completely backed off this statement. Why do YOU think he wrote this?

Ya it seems he's throwing me under the bus now. Other than everything written in this forum, I don't know anything about him. I do think he thought it was gold when he wrote it, but now everyone sees my lie and are pointing it out. So he's backed off

[fusibaseball]

Oh you will definitely gain credibility, at least in my book. A question during the Day is more useful than Night, as Deg has pointed out.

Are you willing to vote Pixar?

Also, in the case you are Town, I'm sorry for the amount of heat you've taken today (I'm sure Deg would say the same). I got a good amount of it Day 3 and it's not fun. But you've cornered yourself by lying about that note and, perhaps inadvertently, aligning yourself with Pixar through your posts. Also Josh putting you at the very top of his lists doesn't help given how much credibility he has within the group.

[fusibaseball]

@Deg, would you be willing to transfer your vote from Duke to Pix given the conversation that's just transpired and the possibility of Duke's ability being realized tomorrow?

[degaston]

Too many lies, way too many lies.

Vote Pixar

Duke, I have a job for you. Tonight, ask Raz if I'm Town. You will 100% get a Yes response. Tomorrow during the day, before we lynch someone, we can use your ability to confirm that that player getting lynched is not Town. And if they are, Town can pivot to someone else. Deal?

I'm game but will anyone actually believe me?? I doubt it

So you confirmed Pixar as not mafia, but you're willing to vote for him?

[DukeHazzard]

@Duke, are you a Medium?

OK I looked again.. I didn't realize you were talking about the role of medium. I am not

[degaston]

Too many lies, way too many lies.

Vote Pixar

Duke, I have a job for you. Tonight, ask Raz if I'm Town. You will 100% get a Yes response. Tomorrow during the day, before we lynch someone, we can use your ability to confirm that that player getting lynched is not Town. And if they are, Town can pivot to someone else. Deal?

I'm game but will anyone actually believe me?? I doubt it

So you confirmed Pixar as not mafia, but you're willing to vote for him?

Nevermind, I misunderstood the message.

[DukeHazzard]

Too many lies, way too many lies.

Vote Pixar

Duke, I have a job for you. Tonight, ask Raz if I'm Town. You will 100% get a Yes response. Tomorrow during the day, before we lynch someone, we can use your ability to confirm that that player getting lynched is not Town. And if they are, Town can pivot to someone else. Deal?

I'm game but will anyone actually believe me?? I doubt it

So you confirmed Pixar as not mafia, but you're willing to vote for him?

no.. I meant I'm willing to ask his question tonight.. if I don't get lynched

[PepeAtila]

no.. I meant I'm willing to ask his question tonight.. if I don't get lynched

- I believe you are town (you had no reason 'defending' to me when I was silenced),
- about *Pixar* he can be 3rd party or anti-3rd party, so while he can suport town, we are not in a hurry to lynch him, I guess,
- It looks like the tandem Josh-Fusi are very interesting to eliminate *Pixar* as soon as possible (that is why I said '3rd party or anti-3rd party'. (so I am also willing to know about Fusi).

[i-andrei]

Well i'm so confused right now.

On one side we have Pixar and DukeHazzard attracting all the heat, and Jmac seems to profit from this and keeps silent.

Vote TheJMac

[pershy]

You're voting alongside Max right now. Does that sit right with you?

what's your problem with max? Make a case and change my mind.
Anyway my vote has nothing to do with max and everything to do with Jmac so err....FOS.

It's really weird that you can't just answer the question. Stop fossing and answer "yes" or "no".

no
answer my qu then please

[pershy]

or yes - lol - I dunno - I answered the question - my voting has nothing to do with Max. Weird qu anyway. Where are you coming from with this?
What is your suspicion on Max?

I'm not defending Jmac at all. I have no read on him. What condemns him other than his post-lynch hammer?

his silence

[pershy]

Any preference on if I should use the shank tonight? granted if I don't get lynched.

Yeah, use it on yourself.

[pershy]

I agree with degaston on Duke. But i also think Jmac is Mafia, and also would vote Pixar out in a heartbeat.
These are my 3 main suspects now, with Pixar maybe 3rd party.

agree

[Razorvich]

DAY 4 VOTE COUNT #2

Darin44 - Ragian
degaston - DukeHazzard
Dunk90 - *Pixar*
fusibaseball - *Pixar*
i-andrei - TheJMac
Maxleod - *Pixar* - Ragian - TheJMac
pershy - TheJMac
TheJMac - *Pixar*

With 14 players alive, it will take 8 votes for a lynch

Day 4 will end no later than CC Time: 2023-05-11 02:59:59 unless we are very close to a lynch

This is considered the "Limited Period" in this game

[pershy]

our voting is quite dispersed - we are going to have to concentrate our efforts.

We've got DukeH, Jmac and Pixar as our top suspects and honorable mention Rage

I still think Jmac is the way to go and as i-andei says he is benefiting from being silent while we fight with each other. It sucks when mafia coasts and survives like that.
However the other cases are seemingly good - I though Duke seemed to defend well but Degaston seems to think he contradicts himself. I will have to look through his posts again and see if that's the case - but degaston makes some good points.

here is everything DukeH said https://tinyurl.com/2mx9rmx2

Pixar - well we're all interested to see what a lynch will reveal there lol.

So what do we do - can we lynch Jmac please? If not a couple of us will have to change our vote cause time is running out - I'm open to changing....but

[*Pixar*]

As of now I think it's just a guessing game. No one believes anything anyone says... For all we know, Darin could be laughing in the background while we are all accusing each other.

Vote Lynch Pixar Has had it out for me since day 1. Hopefully we get this one right

Looking at Dunk voting me with little or no reasoning seems scummy to me. BUT Jmac has also voted me for little to no reasoning and looks like the popular vote wants Jmac.

So in a non scummy way I can agree to Vote Jmac

[Ragian]

I think it's also very possible Josh used his ability/visitation/kill attempt with shank last night on Duke and was silenced for it. If you look at his chummy-to-scummy list, he's had Duke at the top, only behind Halrob since the start. So Duke may have silencing ability as well, it's just not as well-known because he hasn't received any interactions thus far. I think it's more likely Pixar's shank was handed to him by a 3rd-party alliance member.

Seems like a lot of folks like posting overnight in this group. So hopefully a majority vote gets going on 1 of them and I'll vote whoever gets a lynch off (in a perfect world) tomorrow AM. Pick your poison folks.

I could follow some of the things you were saying (that I haven't quoted), but this needs to be addressed: Evidence indicates that Josh targeted Pixar over Duke. We know that Pixar silences visitors, and Josh has been silenced. We know that Pixar has picked up a dropped shank, and that Dega handed Josh a shank. I can't see the rationality behind thinking this could be something else.

Re: Dega vs Duke. I agree that Duke sounds more and more bad. I thought the same thing about Pixar who dropped information in an incoherent form of installments, too. But is it scummy more than inexperience? I can't tell.

You're voting alongside Max right now. Does that sit right with you?

what's your problem with max? Make a case and change my mind.
Anyway my vote has nothing to do with max and everything to do with Jmac so err....FOS.

It's really weird that you can't just answer the question. Stop fossing and answer "yes" or "no".

no
answer my qu then please

I think my issue with Max has been all over the thread if you've read it. He accused me of saying something (which involved me knowing something I couldn't know) that I never said. Then he called me a liar when I proved to him that he was wrong. However, I would assume that he's town because no one but him has said they were targeted N3 and was either out or protected, and we can deduce from Razor's N3 scene post that there was no nightkill. He's just playing very recklessly throwing votes around, skimming (or not understanding) posts, and yelling.

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@Dega, by VC I mean Vote Count.
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I'm not defending Jmac at all. I have no read on him. What condemns him other than his post-lynch hammer?

his silence

Noted. I was hoping you had one of your "get in someone's head and figure out if they're scum" thingies going on

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Now, I agree that JMac's double hammer and silence are bad. I just haven't gotten anything on him at all. I can't tell if he's either or from gameplay. If I were to go by gameplay solely, I would vote Max. As mentioned, however, he hasn't been contradicted in his point that he seemed to be targeted by mafia last night. That means he's not mafia.

Pixar and Duke have cornered themselves, but where Duke seems to sort of laugh it off punching himself, Pixar seems to be willing to let anyone go no matter what. Of the two, I would definitely vote Pixar over Duke (especially because Duke's ability can prove vital to town if used correctly). Pixar is screaming 3rd party to me. But as others have mentioned, we're not in a rush to get rid of 3rd party players as of now.

Darin got a tiny amount of ill-advised heat from me and responded with a vote on me. That sort of gameplay also reeks of a guilty conscience, but I actually think that he's town (now that I read my own argument properly).

I have a hard time putting my finger on Pepe. I really don't like him not voting for halrob D2, but then again, he has answered that question, and the way I read it, it just seems like an honest response rather than a cooked up excuse to please the enquirer.

I have Dega, Fusi, Josh and pershy as town. Perhaps also i-andrei, but to a lesser extent.

Then there's Dukasaur. Has he been in here today at all? I think voting off someone D4 for not participating is bad, but if he hasn't got the time, perhaps he should be substituted in stead? Could one of the dead players replace him? Without ruining the game? I know Chana is in here constantly

Finally, there's Dunk. I can't really put my finger on him either.

To summarise:
I think these are town, so I won't vote them: Dega, Fusi, Josh, pershy, Darin, Ragian (and i-andrei and Max).
I don't know about these, so I would need persuasion in order to vote for these: Pepe, Dunk, Dukasaur, Duke, JMac
I think this person is not town, but I'm not convinced he's mafia: Pixar.

If no better option presents itself soon (given that I can't see a better option right now), I will be voting for Pix later today. I think he started out badly by accusing Dunk for pregame stuff. I think his coming clean was a mess. I also find his back and forth with Duke and Dega (and to some extent Fusi) to reek of "survival at all cost". That indicates not town. Town knows that town can win even if you die. Finally, I would be anxious about having a 3rd party role running around with a shank.

FP'ed by Pixar voting JMac (I might be one-sided now, but this again reeks of him wanting to survive).

[PepeAtila]

DAY 4 VOTE COUNT #2

Darin44 - Ragian
degaston - DukeHazzard
Dunk90 - *Pixar*
fusibaseball - *Pixar*
i-andrei - TheJMac
Maxleod - *Pixar* - Ragian - TheJMac
pershy - TheJMac
TheJMac - *Pixar*

With 14 players alive, it will take 8 votes for a lynch

Day 4 will end no later than CC Time: 2023-05-11 02:59:59 unless we are very close to a lynch

This is considered the "Limited Period" in this game

Even for majority is difficult
3 *Pixar*
3 TheJMac
But because TheJMac did vote *Pixar*
and before Raz vote counting, *Pixar* did vote TheJMac

I will vote TheJMac except if someone tell me he is collaborating before the 'limited periood'.