PKMN Chap 2: Day 6(5/18)

[pancakemix]

Well.

Unvote Vote Strike

Still not okay with Clever's being in denial. We have a cop result, we lynch. That's what's up.

At this point I think it's safe to assume all three of our claims today are telling the truth. (And I was going to ask clever a question, which, depending on the answer, I would have unvoted. Not relevant now.)

[strike wolf]

1st: ghostly have you really skimmed that much or do you only listen to yourself? I've already explained twice that my intention was neither to clear myself nor kratos but to say that the "facts" of your accusations were wrong. I stand by that it shouldn't have taken you 3+ posts to come up with a case that actually fit witj what had actually been said regarding Kratos.

2nd: some7hing yesterday you seemed to acknowledge that it was misunderstanding. Today you are back tracking to saying I was clearing him. You can't have it both ways.

3rd: I don't go out of my way to defend mafia mates except maybe if it was at end game or there was an auto lose function in place. If you want proof you can look at South Park mafia where I basically sold one of my mafia mates down the river and let a second be lynched.

4th: any connection you've found between me and Kratos also applies to you and some7hingclever even moreso.

5th: before I claim, I want to hear Kratos reason for why the bus drive would not have worked.

[kratos644]

1st: ghostly have you really skimmed that much or do you only listen to yourself? I've already explained twice that my intention was neither to clear myself nor kratos but to say that the "facts" of your accusations were wrong. I stand by that it shouldn't have taken you 3+ posts to come up with a case that actually fit witj what had actually been said regarding Kratos.

2nd: some7hing yesterday you seemed to acknowledge that it was misunderstanding. Today you are back tracking to saying I was clearing him. You can't have it both ways.

3rd: I don't go out of my way to defend mafia mates except maybe if it was at end game or there was an auto lose function in place. If you want proof you can look at South Park mafia where I basically sold one of my mafia mates down the river and let a second be lynched.

4th: any connection you've found between me and Kratos also applies to you and some7hingclever even moreso.

5th: before I claim, I want to hear Kratos reason for why the bus drive would not have worked.

Sorry but that information as to why the bus drive wouldn't have worked is actually quite valuable to town but will lose it's value if I just put it out there so I'm going to decline giving the reason why it wouldn't work.

[strike wolf]

Oh actually it's quite valuable both ways. See if you claim that you can only busdrive x and y and I turn out to be y than town knows you are lying. You could also prove you are telling the truth in a way you could not if it turns out that way. If it is something on ghostly's end you can just say that it is and I will be fine with that answer.

Also lol at the people claming ghostly is some great asset to town.....do you really think he made. Those cases to find scum or to find the guy he wanted to kill?

[kratos644]

Oh actually it's quite valuable both ways. See if you claim that you can only busdrive x and y and I turn out to be y than town knows you are lying. You could also prove you are telling the truth in a way you could not if it turns out that way. If it is something on ghostly's end you can just say that it is and I will be fine with that answer.

Also lol at the people claming ghostly is some great asset to town.....do you really think he made. Those cases to find scum or to find the guy he wanted to kill?

Actually I was thinking wrong when I said it was information I needed to withhold because it doesn't matter what you claim the busdrive wouldn't have gone through because of ghostly's character. I could only swap pokemon and so as a result my action did nothing last night. For some reason I was thinking ghostly was a pokemon. Maybe because he mentioned mew I dunno but yeah so my not being able to busdrive won't be able to prove anything about your claim since ghostly wasn't a pokemon.

[Rodion]

Unvote, vote Strike Wolf.

The first pokemon mafia had a similar catch with Squirtle's night action (he could kill but the kill would only work if he targeted another pokemon), so I can understand that your busdriving is limited to swapping pokemon only (as it wouldn't be unprecedented).

But before we rush this: Kratos, what was Yoshi's mod error? Your explanation makes me think YOU made an error (not understanding your role PM), while Yoshi admitted to making an error himself.

[kratos644]

Unvote, vote Strike Wolf.

The first pokemon mafia had a similar catch with Squirtle's night action (he could kill but the kill would only work if he targeted another pokemon), so I can understand that your busdriving is limited to swapping pokemon only (as it wouldn't be unprecedented).

But before we rush this: Kratos, what was Yoshi's mod error? Your explanation makes me think YOU made an error (not understanding your role PM), while Yoshi admitted to making an error himself.

Yoshi's error was that he didn't put that in my role pm that he sent me originally.

[Rodion]

Seems good enough to me.

Strike, I believe you are at L-1. Claim.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Wowza. This exploded.

Unvote, vote Strike Wolf.

The first pokemon mafia had a similar catch with Squirtle's night action (he could kill but the kill would only work if he targeted another pokemon), so I can understand that your busdriving is limited to swapping pokemon only (as it wouldn't be unprecedented).

But before we rush this: Kratos, what was Yoshi's mod error? Your explanation makes me think YOU made an error (not understanding your role PM), while Yoshi admitted to making an error himself.

Perhaps it was that kratos wasn't notified if his drive went through. He wouldn't know that his targets were switched unless the mod told him, so he probably just assumed that his action was successful. So I'm thinking it was a mistake of omission.

I'll gladly join the strike wolf wagon, but I'll wait for him to dispute clever's actions.

-Tails

[ghostly447]

unvote to allow a claim.

[strike wolf]

Well my question has been answered.

I am Ditto, Wild Copy Pokemon.

Each night I can copy one player. What this means is that investigative roles like cop or flavor cop would have me appear as that player's character. All other roles would have a 50/50 shot of hitting either me or the person I copied and same goes for abilities directed at him. Example

I copy player A

Player A is mafia

Cop and killer target me. Doctor and roleblocker target player A.

Cop receives guilty result for me. Any of the other 3 roles have a 50/50 shot at hitting me or player A. Meaning technically the doc protect and kill could be switched or the doc could end up protecting the player that the kill landed on.

To get to the point last night I chose to copy edocsil. This means the guilty result actually applies to him.

vote Edocsil

[jonty125]

unvote vote edoc lets see what strange night actions this person has done.

[Rodion]

Who did you copy N1?

[strike wolf]

Who did you copy N1?

Freezie. Nothing significant there as far as I know.

[kratos644]

Well this day has been rather interesting
Unvote, vote edoc

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Well this day has been rather interesting
Unvote, vote edoc

ok ill bite. its pretty well thought out claim so i have to believe it for now unvote vote edoc

[shieldgenerator7]

Oh wow. first we have cop claim, then busdrive claim, then no busdrive effect, now this ditto thing. This game just gets more interesting by the second. Arguably the most intriguing D3 I've ever seen.

UNVOTE VOTE EDOC

-SG7 ( )

[zimmah]

so everyone just believe strike wolf without question?

i don't

[kratos644]

so everyone just believe strike wolf without question?

i don't

It was a solid claim and if edoc were to turn up town obviously SW would be lynched next so at best he'd earn himself a day

[Rodion]

Clever's guilty is allegedly redirected (by Kratos) from Strike to Ghostly. Clever chooses to stick to his Strike vote.
Clever's guilty is allegedly redirected (by Strike) from Strike to Edocsil. Clever chooses to swap his vote to Edocsil.

Can you explain the difference between the 2 situations, Clever?

[edocsil]

Next is edoc on my personal list. Since if sw flips mafia you are the bus driver.

Don't be a fool, that was clearly a mod error making a muck of things. Your in essence a third party "lyncher" who had a a guilty investigation, of course we are going to hang you under those circumstances. You seem to totally ignore all reality and assume that we should believe anything you say. That is the number one rule of mafia, trust no one. however, the point is totally moot as it appears to be more or less mod confirmed that the busdrive did not go through and the investigation did in fact hit strike. Unvote Vote SW due to guilty.

There are better conclusions to jump to then a knee jerk OMGUS ghostly. Hell, there is at least one more busdriver who was alive last night, you could have easily Wifomed a defense that was better then the OMGUS you tried to pull on Kratos.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Clever's guilty is allegedly redirected (by Kratos) from Strike to Ghostly. Clever chooses to stick to his Strike vote.
Clever's guilty is allegedly redirected (by Strike) from Strike to Edocsil. Clever chooses to swap his vote to Edocsil.

Can you explain the difference between the 2 situations, Clever?

well considering that we figure kratos is telling the truth and SW claim is so involved and it doesnt matter much who we lynch. honestly if edoc comes up mafia ill still be suspicious of sw but i think ill take this chance. all in all not the biggest difference but the day has been crazy so you just never know.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Next is edoc on my personal list. Since if sw flips mafia you are the bus driver.

Don't be a fool, that was clearly a mod error making a muck of things. Your in essence a third party "lyncher" who had a a guilty investigation, of course we are going to hang you under those circumstances. You seem to totally ignore all reality and assume that we should believe anything you say. That is the number one rule of mafia, trust no one. however, the point is totally moot as it appears to be more or less mod confirmed that the busdrive did not go through and the investigation did in fact hit strike. Unvote Vote SW due to guilty.

There are better conclusions to jump to then a knee jerk OMGUS ghostly. Hell, there is at least one more busdriver who was alive last night, you could have easily Wifomed a defense that was better then the OMGUS you tried to pull on Kratos.

did you not see all the votes on you? maybe you should confront that.

[pancakemix]

I don't even

Unvote Vote Edoc

[ghostly447]

Clever's guilty is allegedly redirected (by Kratos) from Strike to Ghostly. Clever chooses to stick to his Strike vote.
Clever's guilty is allegedly redirected (by Strike) from Strike to Edocsil. Clever chooses to swap his vote to Edocsil.

Can you explain the difference between the 2 situations, Clever?

First off, I hope this isnt another stab at trying to say that we are cheaters.
Second off the difference is this:
1. I got to the computer before S7C did this morning, therefore posted before he read and therefore he didnt feel the need to unvote (He could confirm if I am right, or correct me if I am wrong).
2. Edocsil has not yet claimed, therefore S7C (being on at the time) pushes for the claim.

Like I said, I hope that you arent trying to once again frame us as cheaters, but if you are then I am glad to prove anything wrong against that through PM.

In regards to the actual game, I will not push Edoc yet. I want to see his claim and dont know what his vote count is up to.