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[thechuck51]

@ Leehar - yeah, at least two factions sounds right. I am very confused by neb's vt claim but tracker information. Maybe he's masoned with a tracker and has been passed information? ...

What tracking information are you referring to?

Sorry Chuck, I read this but then fell asleep and forgot all about it! The tracking information was ex the post by Nebuchadnezer on Fri May 04, 2012 6:17 am:

Anyway...betiko lives.

And is it just me or has Doom simply sidestepped the Soundman issue?

Which struck me as sounding like he knew something beyond his capabilities. Maybe I was reading more into it than it looked, but now that Neb has neither comfirmed nor denied that he is masoned with a tracker I guess it's just one of those mysteries!

umm... were you not paying attention?

Nope, hopefully someone got some info. A night action would be good for once v.v ~Is hated by all the mods~

Hmm, I wonder though, the first part of the scene says they got away, so either Doc saved him/her or killer was roleblocked.

Any ideas for a lead?

Anyway...betiko lives. I say he starts out with his list...even though he was wrong on freezer. That will at least get some discussion going.

what??? do you have some info about me being originally targeted there before a busdrive? how would you know that? and I made no list nor said anything about freezie..

also white suit = seraph?

oops...I think I meant pmchugh....

Has everyone just missed this post? He meant me, the fact that he talks about my list and how I was wrong on freezie clearly indicates he just mixed up names. Now lets put his posts into context.

Ok f*ck this, got to page 41 and I am falling asleep. Blame the football.

But anyway, as of page 41 the scum are:

Freezie, everywhere, jonty and skillful. Any questions?

Call me a sheep...UNVOTE VOTE Freezie. A fresh set of eyes on 41 pages is going to pick up something that those of use who have been stuck in the back forth can't. I'm all for a new direction...Let's start with Freezie.

That should be a lynch...if not, let's end this day and move on. I am interested in pmchugh observations...seems like a good place to start day two.

UNVOTE VOTE Eldario

That should be a lynch...if not, let's end this day and move on. I am interested in pmchugh observations...seems like a good place to start day two.

UNVOTE VOTE Eldario

Thanks for placing a target on my head. Doc on me

I posted a list of scum, he was interested in it but we lynched eldario due to lack of time. He said he wanted to start day 2 with my list (he has been consistent on this) and because of this I blamed him for putting a target on my back, hence "Anyway....pmchugh lives".

As soon as you change our names, everything makes sense and you guys are creating a case out of thin air.

[thehippo8]

... you guys are creating a case out of thin air.

Interesting concept that. Two methods I can see straight off - rarefaction is one and quantum bonding the other. Indeed there is a distinct connection between the two, based on the properties of sound. Now you'd think sound was something we can hear, but no it is a palpable real thing that exists and moves. The spaces between bonds is palpable. So, in the wise words of Doom ...

... soundman ... inactivity ... what you talkin bout Willis? ... true dat ... wtf? ...

Leading inexorbably to ... Vote soundman. Fos clever

[jonty125]

It's D2 and we're playing lynch the inactive?

I'm not saying been inactive is right but surely we maybe want to vote the sheep i.e. S7C or another case of a bit more substance

How is this stopping the town from getting a lynch, when I then threw the hammer? Hmm?

Well by presenting a new case with 15 hours until scene, as mafia you could split the vote for town to avoid a lynch, I know you hammered but please explain your logic on bringing a new case so close until deadline


All in all FOS: S7C (for blindly following Leehar) & Neb (for getting worked up on a case that his since evaporated)

[pmchugh]

unvote vote clever

I think he comes off as the worse of the two. He sheeps leehar and then unvotes without even considering whether or not soundman had been active. That does not sound like scumhunting to me.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I am still catching up since I wasn't really around this weekend, but did read the scene for today. I am of the belief that there was a doctor save. It would make sense to have multiple killing parties in the game with Smith being a SK since when I was reading on Wikipedia it implied that Smith goes rogue at some point and starts working individually. I will refrain on the Neb comment at this point although if it is found to have actually happen that would be a bit suspicious.

[Djfireside]

ok i like the case on neb it seems well thought out and all but. i just dont wana jump on a bandwagon yet this early in the day. so i think pressuring an inactive is a good idea and if no info comes from it i will vote for neb.vote soundman

I do tend to concur with the thoughts on clever in just jumping up and back without much rhyme or reason. The case on Neb, while may have some value, had somewhat of a kabosh put on it with the mistake of the names. PMC pointed out the name switch and while Neb hasnt jumped into it to defend themselves as much it is out there and others appears to be trying to clarify neb even at this post. Neb could push more to his statement so may want to further clarify mistypes and meanings. The main thing that was urking me was he didnt want to jump on a bandwagon but jumped on another. I get it but I dunno.

As for soundman, I will give him through today as he stated to see what comes of it and had posted in the vacation forum but I do want to see at least something from them.

For now Ill just FOS Clever and tap foot at soundman impatently.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

ok i like the case on neb it seems well thought out and all but. i just dont wana jump on a bandwagon yet this early in the day. so i think pressuring an inactive is a good idea and if no info comes from it i will vote for neb.vote soundman

I do tend to concur with the thoughts on clever in just jumping up and back without much rhyme or reason. The case on Neb, while may have some value, had somewhat of a kabosh put on it with the mistake of the names. PMC pointed out the name switch and while Neb hasnt jumped into it to defend themselves as much it is out there and others appears to be trying to clarify neb even at this post. Neb could push more to his statement so may want to further clarify mistypes and meanings. The main thing that was urking me was he didnt want to jump on a bandwagon but jumped on another. I get it but I dunno.

As for soundman, I will give him through today as he stated to see what comes of it and had posted in the vacation forum but I do want to see at least something from them.

For now Ill just FOS Clever and tap foot at soundman impatently.

i feel dumb everytime i do that..i read a case find i think its good and then comment on it before the person being accused defends themselves. i didnt wanna lynch soundman maybe a claim or enough to wake him up. which it worked he is now talking and ranting. i didnt vote neb because i didnt feel that it was the best case we could get. that is my reason for it. i didnt wanna start a serious BW but instead wanted to wake up an inactive is that a crime lol?

[soundman]

Also, for now I'd also like to chase some of the inactives from yesterday, there were quite a few that I don't think picked up their inactivity any.

So Vote Soundman as one of the submariners I actually remember!

Really? I'm way more active than several other players and if I remember correctly I posted just about every other day.

You have all of 14 posts (including confirmations and joke-vote stage) in the last 800 posts, and I don't remember anything much of value case-wise or anything coming from you. The fact that you're indicating you're posting every other day indicates some premeditated submarining in trying to appear active when you're totally not.

I came up with the case against Hippo and continued to push it. Did you skim that?

How does trying to post on a regular basis indicate submarining? I would hope that everyone is trying to post on a regular basis. Though looking back I see that I wasn't as active as I thought I was. My bad.

Sorry if this post or any of my others come across the wrong way. I've been sent through the wringer this past week and then had my flight delayed last night and I ended up landing at 2am. Ended up only getting a few hours of sleep, two of which were only dozing in the airport and on the plane. I do want to contribute as I hate when people are inactive and as such hate myself even more when I'm not as active as I should be.

Now onto Day Two analysis. There are three people who I think deserve some attention. Dazza has posted twice since the day started. Both of those posts were on the first page of the day and only discussed the scene. On the same note Edocsil done the exact same thing. Only his posts where on page 52 and 53. The final person that stands out is Skill. He's posted twice, once to put up a case against Chuck and then again to rescind that messed up case. Day One he posted fluff until his last two posts of the day where he just said sorry for being inactive and then made a few comments on the current cases. He didn't once make a serious vote and didn't post anything as the day got closer to the end. So I'll go ahead and Vote Skill.

[thechuck51]

Are we essentially at the same spot we were at the end of day 1? We have a better ideas what roles are present but we can't be positive of anybody's alignment without giving up who our power roles are. So I guess what I'm asking is do we pressure in-actives looking for claims like we did day 1 or is there another plan of attack?

[Nebuchadnezer]

It's D2 and we're playing lynch the inactive?

I'm not saying been inactive is right but surely we maybe want to vote the sheep i.e. S7C or another case of a bit more substance

How is this stopping the town from getting a lynch, when I then threw the hammer? Hmm?

Well by presenting a new case with 15 hours until scene, as mafia you could split the vote for town to avoid a lynch, I know you hammered but please explain your logic on bringing a new case so close until deadline


All in all FOS: S7C (for blindly following Leehar) & Neb (for getting worked up on a case that his since evaporated)

No logic, really. I was putting more faith in pmchugh being newly introduced to the game. As I stated earlier, I, and pmchugh were wrong. I was wrong to follow his lead on his list of scum. He was wrong to have freezie on the list. However, I didn't actually consider this a case, as much as a hunch. It would have been interesting to see if anyone followed me...Also interesting that the bus driver (train man) took pmchugh's list to heart, as he switch freezie with his target. Clearly showing that the busdriver was also following pmchugh's list by switching the busdriver target with who the bus driver thought was likely to be mafia.

Now, I've mentioned at the end of Day 1, and also earlier this day...pmchugh...please post the reasons for your scum list at the end of day 1. Surely you had reasons...yet I have seen no explanation for your list.

[cowboyz]

Are we essentially at the same spot we were at the end of day 1? We have a better ideas what roles are present but we can't be positive of anybody's alignment without giving up who our power roles are. So I guess what I'm asking is do we pressure in-actives looking for claims like we did day 1 or is there another plan of attack?

That's what it feels like to me as well, as far as being in same spot as D1.
I think a new plan of attack would be good.
Not a super mafia vet so I'm open to whatever ideas.

The neb thing, seems like simple name confusion. But will note that in case things make it look differently later on.
I'm exhausted. Will post more goodness later.

[betiko]

actually i kind of agree with soundman on skillfull here. All quite odd with him, little contribution (far less than soundman), and cases full of mistakes. I feel like pushing him too, I think we can afford a new claim today.

vote skillfull

[Some7hingCLEVER]

actually i kind of agree with soundman on skillfull here. All quite odd with him, little contribution (far less than soundman), and cases full of mistakes. I feel like pushing him too, I think we can afford a new claim today.

vote skillfull

+1
as long as we get as many as yesterday.

[jonty125]

unvote vote skill Only 2 posts since the beginning of D2, and that was the bodged case + apology.

[everywhere116]

Wait, skillful is in this game?

Vote skillful

[everywhere116]

EBWOP

Unvote vote skillful

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

sound(4)- Leehar, Doom, jak, hippo
clever(1)- pmc
skill(4)- sound, betiko, jonty, everywhere

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

[DoomYoshi]

Soundman has defended himself admirably this time. I will wait to see skill's defense before I jump around though.

[thehippo8]

Soundman has defended himself admirably this time. I will wait to see skill's defense before I jump around though.

Yup, happy with Soundman for now although we still don't know everything.

And now it's skill's turn to play Ostrich!

So ... unvote vote skill

[MoB Deadly]

I am sorry I have been procrastinating this game. I plan to post tomorrow.

[edocsil]

Well, someone has managed to post even less then me here. Not really sure how you guys expect him to "defend" himself honestly. if it wasn't for his messups with the case I would be hounding the creators of this lazy case, but w/e beats sitting here. unvote Vote skill

[thechuck51]

Are we essentially at the same spot we were at the end of day 1? We have a better ideas what roles are present but we can't be positive of anybody's alignment without giving up who our power roles are. So I guess what I'm asking is do we pressure in-actives looking for claims like we did day 1 or is there another plan of attack?

I guess I got my answer.

unvote vote skill

[cowboyz]

Seems like this is the plan, Vote skill
BANDWAGON!!

[Djfireside]

sorry I missed yesterday, hectic day all around. Wife carrying twins and thought she had a problem so personal kicked up. WIll post later today

[Djfireside]

I went back and read through and do see what soundman is stating. Does makes good points on skill and edoc and I concur with him and the rest that skill could be pressured a bit.

Vote Skill