NCIS Mafia: Mafia Win!!

[Iron Butterfly]

I've thought about it and I think it's best to reveal what I know. I was recruited by Edocsil night 1 but upon his death I have again become town. Its true Isaiah was cult as well (recruited last night) which is how Edoc knew that Mr. Squirrel was lying. When Edoc died we both reverted back to being townies. I regained my original role and I don't see any reason Isaiah hasn't as well.

As for what happened N2. Me and Edocsil thought the best target would be Gibbs.. Apparently however Gibbs proved to be unrecruitable or otherwise protected from recruitment (probably the former).

My role is relatively minor in nature. As town I was a minor investigative role (which is why I believed more than most of you that Ziva was paranoid (I guess she's most likely insane unless there's another reason Isaiah's role would come up guilty)). However when I was recruited into cult, my role advanced, I was able to investigate people and see who would make a willing cult. On N2 I tried to investigate Safariguy but as you know I was role blocked. On N3 I again investigated Safari and was told he would not make a willing cult. This means that either Safari is scum (if Edocsil had attempted to recruit mafia he would have died) or unrecruitable. There's basically two roles I feel definitively probably wouldn't be recruitable, one of them is dead and the other would have been Ziva (former Israeli operative. strongly loyal. her being seduced by cult didn't make much sense in my eyes). So I would propose town to vote Safariguy

Also for the record, if Edocsil had any ability beyond recruiting, he did not tell me (lead to believe he didn't have any).

You could also be Mafia. I find it extremely unbelievable We have a Mafia faction of 4 and a Third Party AND a Cult who had and continue. Town got extremely lucky LUCKY!! You have just said Gibbs was unrecruitable.

Was the chuk or isiah part of the cult then?

[isaiah40]

I've thought about it and I think it's best to reveal what I know. I was recruited by Edocsil night 1 but upon his death I have again become town. Its true Isaiah was cult as well (recruited last night) which is how Edoc knew that Mr. Squirrel was lying. When Edoc died we both reverted back to being townies. I regained my original role and I don't see any reason Isaiah hasn't as well.

As for what happened N2. Me and Edocsil thought the best target would be Gibbs.. Apparently however Gibbs proved to be unrecruitable or otherwise protected from recruitment (probably the former).

My role is relatively minor in nature. As town I was a minor investigative role (which is why I believed more than most of you that Ziva was paranoid (I guess she's most likely insane unless there's another reason Isaiah's role would come up guilty)). However when I was recruited into cult, my role advanced, I was able to investigate people and see who would make a willing cult. On N2 I tried to investigate Safariguy but as you know I was role blocked. On N3 I again investigated Safari and was told he would not make a willing cult. This means that either Safari is scum (if Edocsil had attempted to recruit mafia he would have died) or unrecruitable. There's basically two roles I feel definitively probably wouldn't be recruitable, one of them is dead and the other would have been Ziva (former Israeli operative. strongly loyal. her being seduced by cult didn't make much sense in my eyes). So I would propose town to vote Safariguy

Also for the record, if Edocsil had any ability beyond recruiting, he did not tell me (lead to believe he didn't have any).

You could also be Mafia. I find it extremely unbelievable We have a Mafia faction of 4 and a Third Party AND a Cult who had and continue. Town got extremely lucky LUCKY!! You have just said Gibbs was unrecruitable.

Was the chuk or isiah part of the cult then?

I was recruited into the cult by edoc. There were only three of us, edoc, strike wolf and myself. Since edoc was killed then we reeerted to our original roles, so which means there isn't a cult left. chuck was never part of the cult.

[strike wolf]

As I said, we I did we did not recruit Ziva. Chuck, because we felt he was most likely paranoid and possibly unrecruitable. plus with One investigative role within the the cult we were more interested in a protective role. that's part of the reason we recruited Isaiah on N3.

As far as we could be mafia, not unless you a. think Dinozzo was a fake claim and b. that mafia has 5 members in a 16 player game. as far as third party, we only have One confirmed third party with what looks to be either an overeager vig or an SK.

[new guy1]

I have no time to post, but a quick idea is since there was a cult and mafia, I believe the vig to be overeager. I believe he is a vig, not a SK. Just my input, as I believe it would be extremely disadvantaged towards town with so many different parties. If anything, there being a cult in this game has shown me that it is a vig. I believe that Dinozzo was not a fake claim, that he is town, and I would gladly put my vote on Saf, but I think he is at either L2/L1 (I dont know, but rather safe then sorry since Im in a rush). Consider my vote there for the cause (since your logic makes since in that mafia can not be recruited) and I would like to at least see a claim from Saf.

[thechuck51]

I would like Isaiah and Strike to tell us their night actions again as I'm not sure how much of their previous info could be trusted. Also, which nights they were recruited.

[Iron Butterfly]

As I said, we I did we did not recruit Ziva. Chuck, because we felt he was most likely paranoid and possibly unrecruitable. plus with One investigative role within the the cult we were more interested in a protective role. that's part of the reason we recruited Isaiah on N3.

As far as we could be mafia, not unless you a. think Dinozzo was a fake claim and b. that mafia has 5 members in a 16 player game. as far as third party, we only have One confirmed third party with what looks to be either an overeager vig or an SK.

we had Jak and edoscil as 3rd party. we have 3 confirmed mafia... Thats 5.

The fact that we are all standing here tells me there are more. I doubt for a min Mr. Squirrel would suicide unless there are more. So one more mafia? AND we have a s/k vig. Even now as the numbers stand it does not make sense with any hope of balance.

A 16 player game having 5 that we know for sure.

Strikewolf was blocked N2 and we had no nightkill.

We have been talking about a busdriver...but you cant tell me we have a busdriver AND an SK/Vig. If we have a Vig and they are Town now would be the time to claim and clear it up.

The point I am making is that we have the potential to have 7 anti-town roles, which would be ludicous.
I take that back...jak was third party and Gibbs protector. Still...

The numbers do not add up.

[isaiah40]

I would like Isaiah and Strike to tell us their night actions again as I'm not sure how much of their previous info could be trusted. Also, which nights they were recruited.

N1 - no action
N2 - protected CM5 (Gibbs) nothing happened
N3 - protected Gibbs but was recruited by cult therefore Gibbs was killed

The reason for no action N! was that no one had claimed town. Since Gibbs was the leader I decide to protect him figuring that scum would target him.

[strike wolf]

So what's your logic iron? That me and Isaiah are both mafia faking former cult? Because that would make 0 sense.

your evidence about the number of anti-town well for One thing cult nor mafia can win while the other is in the game so it isn't like the numbers add up as evenly as you claim. two if that was the case wouldn't me and Isaiah returning to town make sense as a counter balance?

[safariguy5]

I'm Secretary of the Navy Clayton Jarvis. I'm the town governor. And no, I'm not the kind of governor who can use the ability on themselves.

[thechuck51]

I'm Secretary of the Navy Clayton Jarvis. I'm the town governor. And no, I'm not the kind of governor who can use the ability on themselves.

When do you have to submit your request to stop a lynch?

[safariguy5]

I'm Secretary of the Navy Clayton Jarvis. I'm the town governor. And no, I'm not the kind of governor who can use the ability on themselves.

When do you have to submit your request to stop a lynch?

I can PM the mod that I intend to stop a lynch before hammer. Alternatively, if the lynch scene hasn't been posted yet, I can PM the mod to stop the lynch.

[isaiah40]

Based on safari's claim I'm going got unvote

[Iron Butterfly]

So what's your logic iron? That me and Isaiah are both mafia faking former cult? Because that would make 0 sense.

your evidence about the number of anti-town well for One thing cult nor mafia can win while the other is in the game so it isn't like the numbers add up as evenly as you claim. two if that was the case wouldn't me and Isaiah returning to town make sense as a counter balance?

Heres my point. The last thing i expected was cult. We have 3 mafia dead. 2 third party.

While you may be telling the truth I am taking nothing for granted. I trusted Edoscil in a BIG way. We have plenty of time to figure out who is who.

There are still holes I want filled in....there is the question of chuk being cop. He got a guilty on Jak. Now if we got a guilty because of amafia busdriver, who was the second killer?

Chuk got a guilty on Isiah and an innocent on CM5. Cult is third party so the investigation should have come back...lol...Im not sure. CM5 said something was amiss and Chuk he got a guilty on Jak. Why did he get guilty on Isaiah?

If Chuk did not get the "something amiss" It would make perfect sense. Third parties come up guilty end of story.

How can you NOT have a cop in this game. No one has come forward as a cop so unless someone claims I find it extremely hard to beleive that Chuk would be crazy especailly since he got a correct read on CM5.

Now we have Safari claiming Govener, which could be the reason he could not be recruited OR he could be mafia.

Slow and steady

[thechuck51]

So what's your logic iron? That me and Isaiah are both mafia faking former cult? Because that would make 0 sense.

your evidence about the number of anti-town well for One thing cult nor mafia can win while the other is in the game so it isn't like the numbers add up as evenly as you claim. two if that was the case wouldn't me and Isaiah returning to town make sense as a counter balance?

Heres my point. The last thing i expected was cult. We have 3 mafia dead. 2 third party.

While you may be telling the truth I am taking nothing for granted. I trusted Edoscil in a BIG way. We have plenty of time to figure out who is who.

There are still holes I want filled in....there is the question of chuk being cop. He got a guilty on Jak. Now if we got a guilty because of amafia busdriver, who was the second killer?

Chuk got a guilty on Isiah and an innocent on CM5. Cult is third party so the investigation should have come back...lol...Im not sure. CM5 said something was amiss and Chuk he got a guilty on Jak. Why did he get guilty on Isaiah?

If Chuk did not get the "something amiss" It would make perfect sense. Third parties come up guilty end of story.

How can you NOT have a cop in this game. No one has come forward as a cop so unless someone claims I find it extremely hard to beleive that Chuk would be crazy especailly since he got a correct read on CM5.

Now we have Safari claiming Govener, which could be the reason he could not be recruited OR he could be mafia.

Slow and steady

If Isaiah was recruited N1 then I am a sane cop. 3rd party = guilty. They say he was recruited N3 but I'm not sure if we can trust them.

[strike wolf]

I have a proposal but it would mean potentially no lynching or lynching town. lynch me or Isaiah (i would prefer it be Isaiah.) Have safari stop the lynch. if the lynch is stopped you can trust safari. if me or Isaiah are lynched and we come back town you can trust the other and know say lied.

[isaiah40]

If Isaiah was recruited N1 then I am a sane cop. 3rd party = guilty. They say he was recruited N3 but I'm not sure if we can trust them.

You must be paranoid or insane. Here's what you asked and my reply just a little earlier:

I would like Isaiah and Strike to tell us their night actions again as I'm not sure how much of their previous info could be trusted. Also, which nights they were recruited.

N1 - no action
N2 - protected CM5 (Gibbs) nothing happened
N3 - protected Gibbs but was recruited by cult therefore Gibbs was killed

The reason for no action N! was that no one had claimed town. Since Gibbs was the leader I decide to protect him figuring that scum would target him.

Notice that I said I was recruited N3 not N1.

[Iron Butterfly]

He saw that as did I. He was speculating.

And I'm sorry but I still do not believe there is not a regular cop.

We know he is not paranoid because he got a Town on CM5.

[thechuck51]

My role is relatively minor in nature. As town I was a minor investigative role (which is why I believed more than most of you that Ziva was paranoid (I guess she's most likely insane unless there's another reason Isaiah's role would come up guilty)). However when I was recruited into cult, my role advanced, I was able to investigate people and see who would make a willing cult. On N2 I tried to investigate Safariguy but as you know I was role blocked. On N3 I again investigated Safari and was told he would not make a willing cult. This means that either Safari is scum (if Edocsil had attempted to recruit mafia he would have died) or unrecruitable. There's basically two roles I feel definitively probably wouldn't be recruitable, one of them is dead and the other would have been Ziva (former Israeli operative. strongly loyal. her being seduced by cult didn't make much sense in my eyes). So I would propose town to vote Safariguy

I think you need to make a full claim. While I am leery of saf, I dont trust your story.

[strike wolf]

Considering how I was recruited by cult I don't really see how a full claim matters. it would be the same regardless.

I have offered a way to potentially test not only my claim but also safari's and isaiah's. anyone want to comment on that?

[Iron Butterfly]

Considering how I was recruited by cult I don't really see how a full claim matters. it would be the same regardless.

I have offered a way to potentially test not only my claim but also safari's and isaiah's. anyone want to comment on that?

I agree with Chuk. For all we know third party could be recruited as well. We need peace of mind. If claim dosent matter then just claim.

Governor also makes sense in a certain way. The Cult recruiter was stopped by blind luck. It certainly had nothing to do with town. We are unsure about the sanity of our cop, our watcher/tracker is dead but those combined with Govenor could prevent prevent a mislynch if cult lead became overwhelming. Granted its WIFOM but govenor can not be ruled out.

I would consider the plan if the claim makes sense.

[isaiah40]

I'm with chuck. I think strike needs to fully claim! FOS on him as well for trying to get me lynched.

lynch me or Isaiah (i would prefer it be Isaiah.) Have safari stop the lynch. if the lynch is stopped you can trust safari. if me or Isaiah are lynched and we come back town you can trust the other and know say lied.

[strike wolf]

Considering how I was recruited by cult I don't really see how a full claim matters. it would be the same regardless.

I have offered a way to potentially test not only my claim but also safari's and isaiah's. anyone want to comment on that?

I agree with Chuk. For all we know third party could be recruited as well. We need peace of mind. If claim dosent matter then just claim.

Governor also makes sense in a certain way. The Cult recruiter was stopped by blind luck. It certainly had nothing to do with town. We are unsure about the sanity of our cop, our watcher/tracker is dead but those combined with Govenor could prevent prevent a mislynch if cult lead became overwhelming. Granted its WIFOM but govenor can not be ruled out.

I would consider the plan if the claim makes sense.

I never said that the claim was unimportant. I'm saying it doesn't make a difference. Regardless of my claim I had been recruited so it doesn't add credibility. My claim has importance in this game as long as it is not known. The reason being, Edocsil did not have a fake claim. I am assuming that Mafia is in the same boat. As long as my name is hidden I can still potentially catch a scum trying to fake it. As long as my role is hidden they may mistakenly claim the same role. That's the value left in my claim. As soon as it's revealed it becomes useless.

Try to look at the plan without biased eyes. If you're okay with potentially giving up a lynch to test the governor claim, it's a good deal.

Worst case scenario: Safari is the governor and successfully blocks the lynch, he's proven town, there's no lynch today and me and Isaiah are still unknowns (something that can actually be cleared up by killing one of us tonight if you are that skeptical of us).

Best case scenario: Safari is lying scum, fails to block the lynch. me/isaiah came up as town, You now know you can trust the other and we have Safari (potentially the last scum) on a silver platter.

You can decide if you'd rather lynch me or Isaiah. I can promise that I am town and that's something I'm willing to endanger my life in this game if it means ending this game in a town victory. I won't assume for Isaiah but from his comments I believe it is something he is also willing to do.

as a sign of good faith I will unvote and volunteer to hammer whomever town may choose.

Fastposted:

[strike wolf]

Yes sorry Isaiah. I shouldn't assume for you but it is a good deal. You're role is designed as one that's meant to sacrifice itself so anotehr role can live. My role isn't game breaking but between the two I do feel the game would be impacted less by your death. I really do hope that Safari si town. He's a great asset to us if he is and if given the chance I would rather see you live. I stick by what I say. I will only reveal my claim at the last second if I am forced to until then, I will hold onto it.

[strike wolf]

Ok maybe I am being a bit long winded about this. plain and simply. if you lynch me without heading safaris claim then come tomorrow you still won't know if he's telling the truth. if you follow my plan then live or die at least you know where safari stands.

[new guy1]

Well. That does sound interesting as a plan. But still, killing you would see where you stand . I guess the reason Im skeptical is what happens if one of you guys just got passed the role of recruitment and we lynch a townie just so you can get a third member and win the game... If any of you get what Im trying to say, please give feedback .