EW's Semi-Open Matrix Madness

[SoN!c]

I said my few cents there Sonic, believe me, you are making a huuuuuggggee mistake, we need to hit scum today and you are not helping us at all.

My scum list are Fusi, Kong and Ragian. I will vote for any of those, when town decides who.

Yesterday you believed Ragian on his dev block saying it must be Strike, Fusi or Kong while voting Strike even today sort of speak..

Its you Charle and you know it. Stop wiggling - masks off

[Votanic]

Real-life situation:
The mods are using harassment tactics against me, ...for reasons involving political & personal biases on their part, and the delicate feelings of their wretched friends & favourites.
At some point, I'm just going to have to walk away from all their fascist bullshit.

For now, it looks like I can still post in the Forums. So, therefore I'm still here to finish the game.

I'll Unvote for now, ...but I'll get on the most promising bandwagon later, if able.

[Devante]

After catching up on things I'm leaning to scum is fusi/kong/charle. I wouldn't rule out Strike, Ragian or Sonic but they all seem to playing more town side to me. So I'm good with voting on one of those three.

Can we get a vote count? I lost track with all the voting/unvoting going on

[SoN!c]

Finish the game Vot - we need you as King already said he was going with experienced players and you are the only other confirmed town (and experienced) - so King will be following you "finishing the game"..

+ That is the most important thing to do in life



Do not engage mods and stay out of forums on that subject as they don't like politics. Also CC is not the land of the free nor is Fidel Castro a true CC hero

Vote count should be 1 on Kong (King following Charle) and 1 on Charle (me) if im correct, Charle unvoted getting called.

Look can i be wrong here? Sure ofcourse, but this explains everything and it would be very hard to find some other theory that could explain it all. I gave it SoN!c energy and i did my best - there is no other all-in explanation to me.

Jean Rasczak in Starship Troopers (i saw that for Denise ): I need a corporal. You're it, until you're dead or I find someone better. Same goes here, this is it untill dead or someone finds something better - always happy to see a better theory but PMC is with me here on this one (i know)

Expecting Fusi to stay MIA here- knowing its done and done while saving his rep for the next game

[Votanic]

Finish the game Vot - we need you as King already said he was going with experienced players and you are the only other confirmed town (and experienced) - so King will be following you "finishing the game"..

+ That is the most important thing to do in life



Do not engage mods and stay out of forums on that subject as they don't like politics. Also CC is not the land of the free nor is Fidel Castro a true CC hero

Vote count should be 1 on Kong (King following Charle) and 1 on Charle (me) if im correct, Charle unvoted getting called.

Look can i be wrong here? Sure ofcourse, but this explains everything and it would be very hard to find some other theory that could explain it all. I gave it SoN!c energy and i did my best - there is no other all-in explanation to me.

Jean Rasczak in Starship Troopers (i saw that for Denise ): I need a corporal. You're it, until you're dead or I find someone better. Same goes here, this is it untill dead or someone finds something better - always happy to see a better theory but PMC is with me here on this one (i know)

Expecting Fusi to stay MIA here- knowing its done and done while saving his rep for the next game

I already told you. I'll vote when the time comes.
If I don't, it will be the despicable fault of others.
Right now, I just want to see EW re-total the votes.

[Kingm]

Back to start:
Unvote

[Ragian]

Sorry to hear about the bollocks, Vot.

@ EW, could we get a vote count, please?

@sonic, do you prefer Charle over Fusi?

[Charle]

My money for now is on Kong and I am going to stick with that. If you guys want to listen to Sonic and vote me, then town loose.

Vote Kong

[Ragian]

Alright, I'll bite seeing that everything else had stopped. Let's say Kong is scum. Who are his accomplishes?

[Charle]

If you ask me, then I would say it is Fusi and you or Devante. Even if you blocked Dev, does not clear him, as the other two could easily have blocked Vot and kill pmc.

[Extreme Ways]

I'm abroad at my partner votecount incoming

[Extreme Ways]

Feel free to DM me at any point for a votecount, I'm spending time with my partner and thus not checking in that often.

Also, in case Vot gets forumkilled, there will be a night without the mafia factional kill. I feel like this is the fairest wat this hypothetical can be handled given he's likely to die tonight anyway. As such, there is no possibilty for town to lose of they mislynch tonight.

Charle: 1 - Sonic
Kong: 1 - Charle

[SoN!c]

If you ask me, then I would say it is Fusi and you or Devante. Even if you blocked Dev, does not clear him, as the other two could easily have blocked Vot and kill pmc.

Sounds like someone cornered. If you say Fusi then why don't you vote him to debunk the Fusi-Charle scumbo scenario? Don't say your scared he will flip scum

[Charle]

Ok, you want to go for fusi rather, let's go for it. I told you I was happy to vote for any on my list, but we need to get somewhere. It doesn't seem that our "confirmed" townies wants to lead, and Sonic your vote is way out, so here is mine now and I am not going to change.

Unvote

Vote Fusi

[SoN!c]

Charle, can you say why you think Fusi is scum?

[Charle]

Oh Sonic, I said it so many times here.

Scum can only be 3 between Fusi, Kong, Strike, Devante and Ragian.

For some reason I believed Strike on his last post leaves us with the rest Fusi and Kong but the 3rd one between Ragian and Devante.

Scum is playing one hell of a good game here therefore on my list is Fusi and Kong definite but I am unsure between Ragian and Devante. I believe Rag that he used his patent on Dev, but that still doesn't clear any of them, it just tells me they are not on the same team, and then again, that leaves us with Fusi and Kong.

[SoN!c]

Oh Sonic, I said it so many times here.
Scum can only be 3 between Fusi, Kong, Strike, Devante and Ragian.

That is not saying "why Fusi?", that is just naming everybody who is left besides yourself

This day:

Charle on Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:36 am : "I am happy to vote for Kong or Ragian at this stage."

Charle on Thu Jul 11, 2024 4:38 pm: "Strike, you are at L-2, obviously you would claim vanilla town but I would really like to hear your side before I cast my vote."

Charle on Sat Jul 13, 2024 12:30 pm: "This is a very good point, and if you are town, then there is a very good chance that scum is Kong, Fusi and Strike. This makes sense, as it is a very good scum combination.I am happy to go for any of those if you guys decide."

Charle on Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:43 pm: "I am with you here Vot, think this is where we will find scum.Vote Strike"

Charle on Mon Jul 15, 2024 8:14 am :"Most of us agree that Kong must be scum, ... let's all go for Kong then?"

Charle on Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:35 pm :"My scum list are Fusi, Kong and Ragian. I will vote for any of those, when town decides who."

Charle on Tue Jul 16, 2024 9:13 am:"My money for now is on Kong and I am going to stick with that. Vote Kong."

Charle on Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:09 pm: "If you ask me, then I would say it is Fusi and you (Ragian) or Devante."

Now it's Vote Fusi

You never said why Charle, any explanation will do, no stuff like "this is were we will find scum for sure" but actually saying why.

The reason i ask is because the only good reason on Fusi is the Fusi-Charle scumbo (like the groundwork on Swang like LC said "It was sort of preparing the groundwork for a mislynch on Swang - I thought."). So that's why im interested in hearing why you think Fusi is a such a good target (actual reasons). And don't say because of the Charle-Fusi Scumbo

You have posted none actual reasons on Fusi Charle. Your just namedropping him to make sure it's not obvious while naming everybody else trying to get a mislynch going just like on Max.

PS: "I believe Rag that he used his patent on Dev"? - strange thing to say if you think on that and think it through.

I have a feeling the noose is getting thighter and you wanna have Ragian and Strike on your side for voting reasons. Strike posted "I think the arguments brought forth about Charle make sense to me as well." and he posted he was thinking Ragian or Kong as most scummy - right after that post Strike was not your target anymore.. while voting for him?.

If you are town and you know there is 3 scum between the remaining players that should not make you swing your idea that hard. Only if your scum that would make sense.

[Ragian]

@Charle, I've pointed out several times that Dev just wasn't the one carrying out the kill nor the one blocking Vot. What do you have to say about Sonic's latest post?

[SoN!c]

Another strange thing is this:

PMC said "

When we were scum together he (Charle) would make a little plan of who he was going to accuse in scum chat and then go act on it the next day. Last game as town he did not do that. I am his target this game

You backed off after that post, then you used a thing PMC said to start the wagon on Max (which was your target like PMC explains above).

PMC denied the reason you used to start that wagon by answering this:

This was hardly the biggest case I've made lol.
Also yeah you can't assume there is a doc because you came up with a plan to out the roleblocker if there was one and they didn't within 2 days, they could disagree with the plan or just not be paying attention

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Then PMC -who is clearly thinking Charle- because :

A) When we were scum together he (Charle) would make a little plan of who he was going to accuse in scum chat and then go act on it the next day. Last game as town he did not do that. I am his target this game
B) PMC finds it weird Charle knows there is a doc and we are in matrix 2 (while only scum knows in what matrix we are at that point).. so even hinting that you are the doc (like you tried to explain it later) is still weird when town doesnt know in which matrix we are at that moment and can't assume there is a doc because you came up with a plan to out the roleblocker if there was one - only scum knew that at that time.

Anyways, PMC is clearly thinking "It's Charle" and then PMC.... dies that night...

i strongly believe for the reasons above, just like LC died after his "preparing the groundwork for a mislynch on Swang" post. And that was done by you and Fusi so that is why i want to know why you think it's Fusi (actual reasons).

I think it's called "checkmate" Charle because well... there is no good reason on Fusi other then the Charle-Fusi scumbo..so you can't answer that by giving actual reasons.

[Charle]

Sonic, Scum is laughing at you, and so do I

[Ragian]

Charle, ffs, that's hardly a defense.

@Sonic, what about a compromise that we hit Fusi instead of Charle? At least Charle is here. I agree with you that they're both scum, but 1) Charle posts and 2) most seem to suspect Fusi. If you're not aboard, I will vote Charle.

[SoN!c]

Sonic, Scum is laughing at you, and so do I

I consider this your admitting it - i don't see actual reasons on Fusi posted anywhere here

Then again, we both knew you had no answer there..

Perhaps -at most- you could have said "it's a feeling on Fusi" but that would be it in the end..

Then i like this answer way better - trying laughing something away is a very good last resort technique

FP by Ragian

[Charle]

Charle, ffs, that's hardly a defense.

@Sonic, what about a compromise that we hit Fusi instead of Charle? At least Charle is here. I agree with you that they're both scum, but 1) Charle posts and 2) most seem to suspect Fusi. If you're not aboard, I will vote Charle.

I have now explained way too many times my reasons. I must admit, this post gives me a slight feeling you are townish Ragian, so when you killed me today, just remember that Scum is Fusi, Kong and Devante.

[SoN!c]

Charle, ffs, that's hardly a defense.

@Sonic, what about a compromise that we hit Fusi instead of Charle? At least Charle is here. I agree with you that they're both scum, but 1) Charle posts and 2) most seem to suspect Fusi. If you're not aboard, I will vote Charle.

I agree Charle is here. And it's way more fun this way.

I was thinking Charle first, flips scum, then Fusi, flips scum, then Kong (if going for the bus theory), or Dev (going for the Charle defence theory because Charle is "sure Ragian used the invention on Dev", so when Charle flips scum that would be a FoS on Dev. I can't see any other reason for a scum Charle to say this?. And a town Charle would be very naieve if he actually believes you used it on Dev like Charle claims he does, while at the same time he thinks (or so he says) you are one of the three scum (or could be at least)..

It's like Strike says : If Ragian is lying on that (a scum Ragian), would scum Ragian have claimed to role block (a town) Dev?
Because town was without powers anyway so why would a scum Ragian block a powerless townie anyways? That would be a pointless action.

Three possibilities if Ragian is scum: so was a scum Ragian lying on that trying to garner the support of a townie (Dev), or did he made something up out of thin air as he got the invention from town King and he was questioned by town so he had to answer something and naming Dev and saying he used it the previous night was the best defence answer for a scum Ragian getting the heat away (as he was already on Dev that previous day), or would he just say it to try to take suspicion off of a scum buddy (Dev)?

Then on top of that Charle now says he believes Ragian used it on Dev meaning Dev is 66% not scum.. Why would Charle say that? You can't say anything on that unless you know who is scum and who is not. Only Ragian and scum know that. Just like Strike explained in his previous post.


But bottomline: it's the scumbo Fusi-Charle for me - going for Fusi first should not make any difference besides the last part (the Charle defence on Dev) - we can only know that for sure when Charle flips scum..


FP by Charle

[Charle]

Sonic, read my lips, it is Fusi, Kong and Devante.

If I am on your mind, get it over with and lynch me, believe me, I will flip town, but then tomorrow, just go back to this first line please!!