Final Fantasy VII Mafia - Shinra Corporation and Elena win

[edocsil]

However, I think we need to talk about Zimmah flipping town. Strike needs to be accountable for his actions- and I don't think that should get a free pass. Now while, I don't think Strike is anti-town, I do think he should at least address the mistake. We should all talk about possible game set-ups. Obviously a framer or bus driver is out there. And it is definitely a mafia role- as I imagine a town framer or bus driver would have spoken up- had they switched Zimmah with someone else.

obviously a framer is out there? how likely do you think there is 2 mafia framers? and town framer??? Seriously?

There is zero chance of a town framer, or 2 framers. There is another explanation, likely a busdriver. Some people are looking for me, expect a thorough post from me tonight. Sadly I must go to class shortly.

Also not sure about the Jgordon case, I want to take a closer look at that.

[dazza2008]

So I'm gonna say this now. I stand by what I said about Barrett in part from earlier. IF you are not overeager. Please do not kill tonight. IF you are overeager the best two targets are Vio or Jgordon.

I will reiterate what I said earlier. You won't regret killing jgordon.

This and then him dying as the cop is enough for me. What else could Doom have been hinting at?

[jgordon1111]

AS soon as I saw who got killed I knew I was in trouble

1. I never defended WW. I couldnt figure him. If you go back you will notice I tried to make sure the investigation be completed on him

2. I tried to say that Zimmah was highley probable town and was one of the few who called for Comm9's input to be waited for.

3. I dont know why doom linked me and zimmah together. But i told him he was barking up the wrong tree.

4. After doom tried to ensure I got vigged I was pretty sure he was third party, because of the 3 above mentioned reasons.

5. Framed without a framer, Doom dies who is the primary suspect.

6. I dont have a kill role

7. thats all I have, it wasn't me

8. those that havent said alot in this game have some explaining to do.

[dazza2008]

I just can't see Doom as the cop saying to Vig. jgordon unless he had a reason to. I really do think he has investigated you at some stage before he died.

[strike wolf]

I would say why I think he came up scum when he wasn't if I knew the answer. My best guess would be that there is a mafia busdriver as I believe any active town busdriver would have come forth to say I switched Zimmah with so and so.

Jgordon is my best case for today but Vio has thrown up a lot of red flags along the way as well. I would suggest she be looked into further.

[MoB Deadly]

Who was the third?

NVM Doomyoshi's picture just didn't rezz so I didn't realize it. Damn. I thought Yoshi might have been a cop but I wasn't sure enough to use my protect on him. wish I had now.

Anyways, Doomyoshi's behavior yesterday gives me reason to believe that he investigated Jgordon111 and got a guilty result. Vote Jgordon

Masamune would probably be Sephiroth the main villain of the game.

I agree with this vote jgordan

[Rodion]

Vote Count

jgordon1111 - strike wolf, Dukasaur, Victor Sullivan, codierose, Violet, MoB Deadly (L-3)

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

[dazza2008]

Vote jgordon for the reasons i already stated.

Thats L-2 mate I think its time to claim.

[ghostly447]

Before I go to my next midterm I must say. Do not lynch anyone for a few hours. I have to bring up some points and will be busy for a bit!!!!

[jgordon1111]

1. The reason I couldnt figure WW is because night 1 he really didnt do anything

2. The reason I was sure Zimmah was town is because night 2 he went to see C9 and nothing happened to C9

3. I apparently got role blocked last night because I wanted to be sure about Doom, But I didnt get any results.

4. And now I am sure probably of why doom tied me to Zimmah and got both of us wrong in the process. And at the same time I realized C9 was town.

5. A bunch of you are quick to lynch but havent said much else this game.

6. I believe mafia is quicker than some of you and suspected what I might be. Therefore If doom died and so would I the next day by lynch. or they would get to see me claim. 2 for the price of 1.

[dazza2008]

2. The reason I was sure Zimmah was town is because night 2 he went to see C9 and nothing happened to C9

Seems like you are claiming tracker. Am I understanding right?

My vote stands. How did Zimmah go anywhere? He died as a Vanilla Townie.

[MoB Deadly]

2. The reason I was sure Zimmah was town is because night 2 he went to see C9 and nothing happened to C9

Seems like you are claiming tracker. Am I understanding right?

My vote stands. How did Zimmah go anywhere? He died as a Vanilla Townie.

+1 Easy lynch

[strike wolf]

2. The reason I was sure Zimmah was town is because night 2 he went to see C9 and nothing happened to C9

Seems like you are claiming tracker. Am I understanding right?

My vote stands. How did Zimmah go anywhere? He died as a Vanilla Townie.

+1 Easy lynch

There is the potential of the mafia busdriver. Jgordon. What is your full claim?

[edocsil]

So here is how I saw things for the nights past. Sephiroth is running around killing people, or trying to at least. His first successful kill was last night assuming the sword is his. It looks like the Mako Cannon failed to kill once or twice as well, and that belongs to Shinra, who we have pegged as mafia at the moment. That is a lot of blocked kills. Perhaps we have godly good docs and roleblockers, but i think something else is in the air as well.

Com9 died, he came up as Immortal, that is certainly bulletproof and perhaps unlynchable (he says as much in his role d1 thoughts) as well. I think he sucked up a huge amount of the kills in the game. He has spent the whole game subtly drawing attention to himself and droping generally playing the standard town power appearance.

This points an target on his head, but it would also likely draw the docs protection, not a bad way to survive if you are willing to gamble, or in his case unable to be killed.

He put us up with too much bullshit now to live. Initally, especially with his JOAT claim, I was reluctant, but his newest claim is a much less of a significant loss and there has been just too many things that do not work with that story. I was unconvinced until recently, but pretty much every new post of his just convinces me more that he's a GF that fucked up badly.

I actually do have a case (I've not mentioned that person, but been keeping tabs since Day 1), but I'd rather present it tomorrow as I really don't see a lot of reasons to do that today, but if there's a consensus, I can do it this weekend. Thoughts? (It's a pretty strong case IMHO (there's some meta-gaming in it, though), but nowhere near as strong as the one we have now).

Well, now you risk being silenced by mafia if you wait until tomorrow. I think I'd rather hear it today, as long as we wait until tomorrow to pursue it.

Paints another target, plays the role of town power to a T.

This is my 1st day speculation list that I've mentioned:

Town (14):
Cloud v1. - lover/vig This may mean that Cloud is not a vig.
Cloud v2. (emo Cloud)
Tifa - lover/roleblocker Tifa is claimed to be a JOAT.
Aerith - doctor
Barret - Bodyguard Apparently a vig.
Red XIII - cop
Yuffie - thief
Cid - busdriver
Cait Sith - double-voter? Unlynchaeble?
Reeve - enabler?
Vincent - joat?
Zack - beloved princess?
Marlene - unlynchaeble townie
Tseng - mafia betrayer?

Mafia (Shinra)(4):
Rufus - GF
Scarlet - framer
Heidegger
Palmer - roleblocker

Mafia (Jenova)(4):
Jenova
Sephiroth v1
Sephiroth v2
Hojo - inventor

3rd party (3):
Ultimate Weapon (or perhaps Ruby/Emerald)
Reno/Rude/Elena Pretty much confirmed here.

Fake claims:
Other 4 weapons
Tifa, Aerith, Zach, Vincent v2.0
Zangan
Bugenhagen
Biggs/Wedge/Jessie

Red basically means dispelled by the flavour. Blue is confirmed. Bold means changes.

The players we have left:

edocsil
strike wolf Vincent Valentine JOAT
Victor Sullivan
alt1978
VioIet
drake_259
codierose
Djfireside
MOB Deadly
thehippo8
ghostly447
jgordon1111
Dukasaur
Eldario
dazza2008
chapcrap

16 players and almost no claims (I don't think I missed any)

These are the guys I would say are the experienced players capable of reading the subtly of some actions.

edocsil
strike wolf
Victor Sullivan
MOB Deadly
thehippo8

I would look among those players for Sephiroth. Why? I think they are the ones who would pick up Com's town tells and try to kill him for it. Strike is off the list IMO, so that leaves 4 counting me. If I had to pick one I would say VS, but then that is pure speculation. I would suggest throwing some investigations or roleblocks in there, to see if we could get some real confirmations of my suspicions.


As far as today goes

2. The reason I was sure Zimmah was town is because night 2 he went to see C9 and nothing happened to C9

Seems like you are claiming tracker. Am I understanding right?

My vote stands. How did Zimmah go anywhere? He died as a Vanilla Townie.

Lol easy lynch, Unvote Vote JGordon That along with the meta suggestion a guilty cop investigation its a done deal imo.

[jgordon1111]

I dont know how zimmah got there,but I do know he was there, somebody got switched or somebody got framed,but he was there. lynch me town is still ahead,and somebody will have to explain, most likely Mviola whos only post's so far are for lynches with nothing much else to say. Just so you Know MV you were on the next looking into.

[strike wolf]

Mviola isn't even in this game. you still haven't fully claimed. The first one suggested tracker this one seems to suggest watcher. Neither one suggests any specific role nor does it look like you have any action from night 1.

[dazza2008]

2. The reason I was sure Zimmah was town is because night 2 he went to see C9 and nothing happened to C9

Seems like you are claiming tracker. Am I understanding right?

My vote stands. How did Zimmah go anywhere? He died as a Vanilla Townie.

+1 Easy lynch

There is the potential of the mafia busdriver. Jgordon. What is your full claim?

Maybe a busdriver but he also says william went nowhere on night 1. So the mafia chose not to frame anyone? I doubt that.

I suppose that there could have been a busdriver involved there too but it all seems a bit much to me.

Fastposted By stike

Mviola isn't even in this game. you still haven't fully claimed. The first one suggested tracker this one seems to suggest watcher. Neither one suggests any specific role nor does it look like you have any action from night 1.

He claimed that night 1 William went nowhere.

[strike wolf]

2. The reason I was sure Zimmah was town is because night 2 he went to see C9 and nothing happened to C9

Seems like you are claiming tracker. Am I understanding right?

My vote stands. How did Zimmah go anywhere? He died as a Vanilla Townie.

+1 Easy lynch

There is the potential of the mafia busdriver. Jgordon. What is your full claim?

Maybe a busdriver but he also says william went nowhere on night 1. So the mafia chose not to frame anyone? I doubt that.

I suppose that there could have been a busdriver involved there too but it all seems a bit much to me.

Fastposted By stike

Mviola isn't even in this game. you still haven't fully claimed. The first one suggested tracker this one seems to suggest watcher. Neither one suggests any specific role nor does it look like you have any action from night 1.

He claimed that night 1 William went nowhere.

Yeah I missed that. I still get the feeling he is beating around the bush about the whole thing.

[ghostly447]

Someone who plays the game. Do you think sephiroth could be a serial killer? And of so then why didn't he kill for the first 2 nights? Would he be a 1 time killer? I will be out of class in 10 minutes then have a meeting but soon I will bring up my argument. Don't lynch anyone yet!

Sorry if my autocorrect messed something up guys. I can't see the whole screen.

[drake_259]

Right just thinking here, if there is a mafia busdriver, which i reckon there is. zimmah and the mafia was switched. that mafia had obviously targeted com9 if gordon is telling the truth. it fits so well.

but what gets me is william went no where, a framer, and jg was wanted dead by the cop.

I am read to vote but ghostly seems to have some important infomation to bring.

Fastposted by ghostly

if seph is the sk, he could have targeted com9 first 2 nights?

[jgordon1111]

My mistake SW I meant violet. Red X111 town watcher,

N1 watched WW because he was already acting suspicious, and he really did not do anything.

N2 watched C9 and Zimmah was there, dont know how or why, But when nothing happened to C9 I didnt figure either of them for mafia.

thats why I wanted the investigation to go forward on WW and Why I was one of the few that asked for C9's input before lynching Zimmah

N3 I believed that Doom was possibly third party and why he was pushing for Zimmah to be lynched and me to be vigged, So I was going to watch him and I got a negative result.

There has been some subtle play here that made doom think both Zimmah and I were mafia,something got turned around somewhere.

And with doom getting killed I automatically become the primary target. Kudos to the GF if he worked it out like that in advance.

[strike wolf]

So here is how I saw things for the nights past. Sephiroth is running around killing people, or trying to at least. His first successful kill was last night assuming the sword is his. It looks like the Mako Cannon failed to kill once or twice as well, and that belongs to Shinra, who we have pegged as mafia at the moment. That is a lot of blocked kills. Perhaps we have godly good docs and roleblockers, but i think something else is in the air as well.

Com9 died, he came up as Immortal, that is certainly bulletproof and perhaps unlynchable (he says as much in his role d1 thoughts) as well. I think he sucked up a huge amount of the kills in the game. He has spent the whole game subtly drawing attention to himself and droping generally playing the standard town power appearance.

This points an target on his head, but it would also likely draw the docs protection, not a bad way to survive if you are willing to gamble, or in his case unable to be killed.

He put us up with too much bullshit now to live. Initally, especially with his JOAT claim, I was reluctant, but his newest claim is a much less of a significant loss and there has been just too many things that do not work with that story. I was unconvinced until recently, but pretty much every new post of his just convinces me more that he's a GF that fucked up badly.

I actually do have a case (I've not mentioned that person, but been keeping tabs since Day 1), but I'd rather present it tomorrow as I really don't see a lot of reasons to do that today, but if there's a consensus, I can do it this weekend. Thoughts? (It's a pretty strong case IMHO (there's some meta-gaming in it, though), but nowhere near as strong as the one we have now).

Well, now you risk being silenced by mafia if you wait until tomorrow. I think I'd rather hear it today, as long as we wait until tomorrow to pursue it.

Paints another target, plays the role of town power to a T.

This is my 1st day speculation list that I've mentioned:

Town (14):
Cloud v1. - lover/vig This may mean that Cloud is not a vig.
Cloud v2. (emo Cloud)
Tifa - lover/roleblocker Tifa is claimed to be a JOAT.
Aerith - doctor
Barret - Bodyguard Apparently a vig.
Red XIII - cop
Yuffie - thief
Cid - busdriver
Cait Sith - double-voter? Unlynchaeble?
Reeve - enabler?
Vincent - joat?
Zack - beloved princess?
Marlene - unlynchaeble townie
Tseng - mafia betrayer?

Mafia (Shinra)(4):
Rufus - GF
Scarlet - framer
Heidegger
Palmer - roleblocker

Mafia (Jenova)(4):
Jenova
Sephiroth v1
Sephiroth v2
Hojo - inventor

3rd party (3):
Ultimate Weapon (or perhaps Ruby/Emerald)
Reno/Rude/Elena Pretty much confirmed here.

Fake claims:
Other 4 weapons
Tifa, Aerith, Zach, Vincent v2.0
Zangan
Bugenhagen
Biggs/Wedge/Jessie

Red basically means dispelled by the flavour. Blue is confirmed. Bold means changes.

The players we have left:

edocsil
strike wolf Vincent Valentine JOAT
Victor Sullivan
alt1978
VioIet
drake_259
codierose
Djfireside
MOB Deadly
thehippo8
ghostly447
jgordon1111
Dukasaur
Eldario
dazza2008
chapcrap

16 players and almost no claims (I don't think I missed any)

These are the guys I would say are the experienced players capable of reading the subtly of some actions.

edocsil
strike wolf
Victor Sullivan
MOB Deadly
thehippo8

I would look among those players for Sephiroth. Why? I think they are the ones who would pick up Com's town tells and try to kill him for it. Strike is off the list IMO, so that leaves 4 counting me. If I had to pick one I would say VS, but then that is pure speculation. I would suggest throwing some investigations or roleblocks in there, to see if we could get some real confirmations of my suspicions.


As far as today goes

2. The reason I was sure Zimmah was town is because night 2 he went to see C9 and nothing happened to C9

Seems like you are claiming tracker. Am I understanding right?

My vote stands. How did Zimmah go anywhere? He died as a Vanilla Townie.

Lol easy lynch, Unvote Vote JGordon That along with the meta suggestion a guilty cop investigation its a done deal imo.

Not really sure why Hippo is among that list of 5. I have only played one game against him. I didn't think he was experienced.

Mafia busdriver could have switched WW night 1 and switched someone with Zimmah night 2. However, if Jgordon is mafia he would know this anyways and play off of it and they couldn't have switched both Jgordon and Zimmah night 2 so I feel fairly confident that JGordon is mafia.

[jgordon1111]

Your going to have to lynch me then I put forth what I have and saw, I cant guess at what happened

[strike wolf]

Your going to have to lynch me then I put forth what I have and saw, I cant guess at what happened

you haven't even claimed a character? feeling your fake claim is too weak to gain any attention?

[dazza2008]

1. The reason I couldnt figure WW is because night 1 he really didnt do anything

2. The reason I was sure Zimmah was town is because night 2 he went to see C9 and nothing happened to C9

3. I apparently got role blocked last night because I wanted to be sure about Doom, But I didnt get any results.

4. And now I am sure probably of why doom tied me to Zimmah and got both of us wrong in the process. And at the same time I realized C9 was town.

5. A bunch of you are quick to lynch but havent said much else this game.

6. I believe mafia is quicker than some of you and suspected what I might be. Therefore If doom died and so would I the next day by lynch. or they would get to see me claim. 2 for the price of 1.

This is sounding like a tracker. Its the only way you could know WW did nothing.

Then this.

My mistake SW I meant violet. Red X111 town watcher,

N1 watched WW because he was already acting suspicious, and he really did not do anything.

N2 watched C9 and Zimmah was there, dont know how or why, But when nothing happened to C9 I didnt figure either of them for mafia.

thats why I wanted the investigation to go forward on WW and Why I was one of the few that asked for C9's input before lynching Zimmah

N3 I believed that Doom was possibly third party and why he was pushing for Zimmah to be lynched and me to be vigged, So I was going to watch him and I got a negative result.

There has been some subtle play here that made doom think both Zimmah and I were mafia,something got turned around somewhere.

And with doom getting killed I automatically become the primary target. Kudos to the GF if he worked it out like that in advance.

Not sure if scummy or you just do not understand your role.

But this with Doom saying he should die makes me think you are scum.