Prison Mafia TOWN WIN !!

[fusibaseball]

Just so you know I'm trusting you two, It could get me in trouble in the long run but we will see

The feeling is mutual. I trust you and Dunk 100% and have you both down as definitely Town.

I also trust Dega 100% but he's clearly an advanced player and could be completely outplaying me and technically be 3rd party. I don't think it's likely, but it's not impossible. He's definitely not Mafia either though.

[DukeHazzard]

My point is that analyzing voting patterns can be misleading, because the townies are confused, and the scum want to mislead you

The more I read the more I get confused
I like what degaston has to say, but fusibaseball has a point too
I would like to change my vote and go with degaston, But I will keep it for now

FP"d fusibaseball

Unvote Pixar, vote DukeHazzard

...I don't think you've given enough thought to what happens if he flips town or 3rd party. Duke only said that he was not mafia. So why would you lynch Duke if Pixar was 3rd party? If Pixar is not scum, then is Duke a townie who is telling the truth, or is he scum, (who know all the non-scum players) and wanted to set himself up with confirmation of his power, wanted some town players (like Pepe) who would vouch for his "honesty", and wanted to be able to play puppet-master and lead the town to its death at a later time?

Right, this is a very interesting thought I hadn't thought of.

"In retrospect" just refers to this Day 4 voting period. I don't think there's enough time to convince enough people to get out DukeHazzard, but for now I'll shift my vote to abate Pixar getting hammered. Maybe there's enough time, who knows.

Unvote Pixar, vote DukeHazzard

I need fresh Morning Fusi brain with his 7 AM coffee to get back into this. Day 4 has significantly ratcheted up the difficulty level

Well, we got 2 more votes off your back buddy..

[i-andrei]

I will post what i think and then switch my vote in a bit. I don't fully agree with this but we have to get a lynch trough and hope we get a Maf out.

[PepeAtila]

So if I'm scum, all I have to do is say that I think you're town and then you'll trust me and think I'm town? Nice to know.

If you are scum it is not reason for you to say I'm town,... so if you are scum and you say I am town is a start of trust (because I know you are not telling a lie) perhaps you can have another reason to tell it...

About DukeHazzard I will not vote against him to see if it is town or not, you would quickly attract the mafia votes, since for mafia is a real danger (if his role is efective) (Also I don't know the porcentage of success) ... perhaps I can be wrong again, but I think is very expensive to lynch him to know if he is town or not.

[degaston]

On another note, I have a suspicion that one of the mafia is posing as town. I'm not sure who, but Maxleod, pershy, and Ragian are on that list, in no particular order.

I don't know if you'll be lynched or not, but in case you're town, do you want to explain what this was about?

[i-andrei]

Jmac not posting speaks to he being scummy imho.
That's why i wouldn't change my vote now. Idk about Duke, i have him on the same level as Pixar so maybe scummy. But i am quite tired of reading this and will go vote alongside the people i think are town.

Unvote TheJMac - Vote DukeHazzard

[Razorvich]

DAY 4 VOTE COUNT #3

*Pixar* - TheJMac
Darin44 - Ragian - *Pixar* - DukeHazzard
degaston - DukeHazzard
Dukasaur - *Pixar*
DukeHazzard - TheJMac
Dunk90 - *Pixar*
fusibaseball - *Pixar* - DukeHazzard
i-andrei - TheJMac - DukeHazzard
Maxleod - *Pixar* - Ragian - TheJMac
PepeAtila - TheJMac
pershy - TheJMac
Ragian - *Pixar*
TheJMac - *Pixar*

*Pixar* - 4
DukeHazzard - 4
TheJMac - 5

AROUND 24 HOURS UNTIL THE END OF DAY 4

[pershy]

well you Duke haters could be onto something but I dunno - I think this also might be town on town violence - just based on logic

Well Its becoming obvious who is getting worried, voting in red so early seems to be panic to silence me

I'm not worried, and I don't think anyone else is. But they're right that you're not making much sense. And you're purposely not clarifying yourself. Despite being asked direct questions. It makes me think you're hiding something. Without there being any answers from you, there's only one other way to get info...

VOTE LYNCH halrob64

[pershy]

again here

The way this is going, I agree that Halrob is possibly a dangerous character. And he's been oddly silent compared to day 1.
Vote Lynch Halrob

[pershy]

this is where the note thing started coming out

Well that was a lot to read all at once. Being new to the game, I was waiting for a PM from Raz saying that day3 had begun, as was the case for the opening of day2. So I didn't check in until now.

I received a note in my cell

The number of scum is down by 2
But there are 2 that are definitely not with them
Their names I can only reveal
Start with a capital P

I read that as Pepe and Pixar. pershy isn't capitalized. So they could be town or 3rd party. I don't know where the note came from. From what I have read, I think Pix is town. Pepe, I'm not so sure and he can't even defend himself today. I'm not sure who to vote for at this point, but I'm not voting P at this time.

[pershy]

note stuff - not sure what this means. I think I got a pm saying D3 had started. Relevant?

I did send in a night action, which if successful, I get a day action. But I'm 0/2 on my night actions.

I got this note during day 3. That's what prompted me to check the forum as I was unaware that day 3 had started.

[pershy]

I never got a PM after N1. It came on D3? Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Nothing happened that night for me.

On a side note, I don't agree with General Bax's assessment. Some of his points actually lead me to think he is scummy.

[pershy]

possible allegiance w pepe

And pershy agreeing with him? Is he also scummy?

I guess that's my scummy list right now

General Bax
pershy

Don't know why some of you are still riding on the Pepe train. I think the note I got clears him. And he can't defend today. Does that point toward his accusers as possible scummy?? Or am I just being a noob in fully trusting my note?

[pershy]

note stuff

Ok, I guess it sounds a little confusing. I'm referring to 2 different things. So I list PM's in order.

PM From Raz N1 - Night action is negative
PM From Raz D2 - Day 2 is open, no game results
PM From Raz N2 - Night action is negative

Now here is where I was expecting a PM from Raz announcing that Day 3 was open. I was quiet for the first 2 real days of D3 because I didn't get a PM and thus I was clueless to Day 3 starting.

PM on D3 - found a note in my cell

So finding this note alerted me that Day 3 had started. Then I realized it had already been going for a couple days. So I'm talking about different things in all those PM's. Game related info happened N1, N2 and D3. And game alerts which I was expecting after the D2 PM. I hope that clears things up.

No, I'm not subscribed to the thread. I didn't know that was a thing. But I have to say, getting an email every time someone posts sounds exhausting.

I already had General Bax on my scummy list so...

Vote General Bax for lynch

[pershy]

@ i-andrei

My night action was successful and I learned that YOU are not Mafia.

[pershy]

With my inexperience, maybe I should have kept it to myself. I-andrei wasn't in any danger. But I thought we were supposed to give what info we had to further the cause. For the record, I didn't say he was town. I only know he isn't Mafia.

[pershy]

Yes, I'm evasive about this. Everyone is withholding information but expects everyone else to give it. You already have all the information I have. Except how I got it. That doesn't seem good enough... even when I say I don't want to paint a target on my back, yet here you are. What's your superpower??

[pershy]

The PM from Raz on N3 is where I found out that i-andrei isn't scum. The PM from Raz D2 was not related to my ability. That was me stating that Raz sent out a PM (I'm assuming to all) that D2 way open. He did the same for D4 which also has nothing to do with my ability. The reason I mentioned the D2 PM is because Raz never sent out a D3 notice. I was only trying to explain why I missed the first 3 or so days that D3 was open.

[pershy]

I've already addressed this but here it is again. No, I don't have a day action... All of my night actions have been unsuccessful, but do reveal a little info.

[pershy]

Since you can't seem to see that revealing my ability is all over your questions, I'm just going to spill it. I ask Raz a question that has to be in the form of a yes or no answer. A yes answer gets me the opportunity to ask another question during the next day. A no answer means I don't get a next day question. So for example, on N3 I asked, "is i-andrei mafia?" and the answer was no. That gives me information. But it is still an unsuccessful result meaning I don't get a day action. I could also ask, is degaston town? which would give me different info. With one question, I can't narrow down what camp someone is in unless it's successful (a yes answer). So there's no point in lynching me now. I suspect that I'll be murdered tonight. Thanks

[pershy]

I have. So confession time... I made up the "note" that I found in my cell. That's my lie. That's what I've been trying to hide. I did it to try to give everyone the info WITHOUT revealing my ability. N1 I asked if Pix was Mafia. Answer, no. N2 I asked if Pepe was Mafia. Answer, no. Nobody seemed to believe the note anyway so I dropped that idea. Just a noob still trying to figure this shit out.

[pershy]

Ok, the exact wording of when I can ask a day question is "day question must be sent before limited period begins" I'm not really sure what the limited period is.

[degaston]

So if I'm scum, all I have to do is say that I think you're town and then you'll trust me and think I'm town? Nice to know.

If you are scum it is not reason for you to say I'm town,... so if you are scum and you say I am town is a start of trust (because I know you are not telling a lie) perhaps you can have another reason to tell it...

The point is that scum need townies to trust them so that they don't get lynched. That is why they want to gain your trust. It is easy for them to act like they trust you, because they know that you are not (except in a few cases) going to kill them at night. It is difficult for one townie to trust another (or at least it should be) because neither of them knows if the other one is scum who might kill them at night. Some powers may help establish trust, but they can also be manipulated, and scum can lie about them. If you simply trust anyone who says they think you are town, then perhaps you'd also like some free candy?

About DukeHazzard I will not vote against him to see if it is town or not, you would quickly attract the mafia votes, since for mafia is a real danger (if his role is efective) (Also I don't know the porcentage of success) ... perhaps I can be wrong again, but I think is very expensive to lynch him to know if he is town or not.

Regarding the bold text, how do you feel about the Duke votes that are there now vs the votes for Pixar or JMac? Does it look like mafia is eager to jump on this bandwagon? It doesn't to me.

The reason for lynching Duke is to know if he was telling the truth about Pixar, you, and i-andrei. He's admitted that he lied about receiving a note that you're town, and now claims that he knows it from his power. None of the rest of us know if he was telling the truth (except you and the scum), and I think a lot of us find it suspicious that you wouldn't vote for halrob on either day. Under those circumstances, I'd say you're a prime candidate for being lynched. It doesn't matter if Duke trusts you at that point if not enough others do, you could be lynched and he couldn't save you. If you're town, then the scum would be happy to join in.

• If we lynch Duke, then we will know for sure if he is town or scum. (I don't think it's likely that he's 3rd party)
• If he's town, then we can assume that he was telling the truth about you, and we'll have three people that all the townies will know are not scum.
• If he's scum, then at least we've eliminated another scum, and then we'll then have to try to figure out your alignment from there. (he might still have been telling the truth about you)

Under most circumstances, if there is a choice that will either kill one scum, or kill one town and get three confirmed non-scum, then that is a bargain that we should take every chance we get. When more than half the players are confirmed non-scum, they can start lynching anyone who isn't confirmed and they will be guaranteed a win. (weird game mechanics aside) We may not get to that point, since no one else has made claims like Duke, but having three confirmed non-scum would make searching for the scum a lot easier for those who remain.

So even though Duke says he trusts you, if you are actually town, then it is in your best interest to lynch him.

If anyone thinks my reasoning is faulty, feel free to let me know.

BTW, It seems like it would have been much better if Duke had asked if people were town, rather than asking if they were mafia. Not only is that more useful for town, but then he would have gotten three extra day questions. But scum don't know town from 3rd party, so if he's scum, then it would be safer for him to say he phrased the question that way.

[pershy]

OK I needed to see that all laid out.

Yes he voted halrob twice - the one that got hal lynched was the vote before Josh's hammer I believe - but he had hal before - but the case made against him does have water.
He has lied yes! Lynch all liars.
His role name isn't on the wikipage apparently.
Degaston has some good points, and iandrei
His role seems a bit confused to me.

Duke - full claim please - name of role and exact power and exact actions and results all laid out in your claim post please! Now you are at L-3 after my vote but let's have it.

unvote

vote DukeHazzard

[pershy]

still sad we are not lynching Jmac but I do agree it will not give any info as bax didn't. The timing of his vote on hal was definitely scummier than duke's....

Talking of dukes and dunks - DUNK90 is still in this game right? Another silent one? Sheesh!