PepeAtila wrote:degaston wrote:So if I'm scum, all I have to do is say that I think you're town and then you'll trust me and think I'm town? Nice to know.

If you are scum it is not reason for you to say I'm town,... so if you are scum and you say I am town is a start of trust (because I know you are not telling a lie) perhaps you can have another reason to tell it...
The point is that scum need townies to trust them so that they don't get lynched. That is why they want to gain your trust. It is easy for them to act like they trust you, because they know that you are not (except in a few cases) going to kill them at night. It is difficult for one townie to trust another (or at least it should be) because neither of them knows if the other one is scum who might kill them at night. Some powers may help establish trust, but they can also be manipulated, and scum can lie about them. If you simply trust anyone who says they think you are town, then perhaps you'd also like some free candy?

PepeAtila wrote:About DukeHazzard I will not vote against him to see if it is town or not, you would quickly attract the mafia votes, since for mafia is a real danger (if his role is efective) (Also I don't know the porcentage of success) ... perhaps I can be wrong again, but I think is very expensive to lynch him to know if he is town or not.
Regarding the bold text, how do you feel about the Duke votes that are there now vs the votes for Pixar or JMac? Does it look like mafia is eager to jump on this bandwagon? It doesn't to me.
The reason for lynching Duke is to know if he was telling the truth about Pixar, you, and i-andrei. He's admitted that he lied about receiving a note that you're town, and now claims that he knows it from his power. None of the rest of us know if he was telling the truth (except you and the scum), and I think a lot of us find it suspicious that you wouldn't vote for halrob on either day. Under those circumstances, I'd say you're a prime candidate for being lynched. It doesn't matter if Duke trusts you at that point if not enough others do, you could be lynched and he couldn't save you. If you're town, then the scum would be happy to join in.
- If we lynch Duke, then we will know for sure if he is town or scum. (I don't think it's likely that he's 3rd party)
- If he's town, then we can assume that he was telling the truth about you, and we'll have three people that all the townies will know are not scum.
- If he's scum, then at least we've eliminated another scum, and then we'll then have to try to figure out your alignment from there. (he might still have been telling the truth about you)
Under most circumstances, if there is a choice that will either kill one scum, or kill one town and get three confirmed non-scum, then that is a bargain that we should take every chance we get. When more than half the players are confirmed non-scum, they can start lynching anyone who isn't confirmed and they will be guaranteed a win. (weird game mechanics aside) We may not get to that point, since no one else has made claims like Duke, but having three confirmed non-scum would make searching for the scum a lot easier for those who remain.
So even though Duke says he trusts you, if you are actually town, then it is in your best interest to lynch him.
If anyone thinks my reasoning is faulty, feel free to let me know.
BTW, It seems like it would have been much better if Duke had asked if people were town, rather than asking if they were mafia. Not only is that more useful for town, but then he would have gotten three extra day questions. But scum don't know town from 3rd party, so if he's scum, then it would be safer for him to say he phrased the question that way.