H.E. Mafia, Game Over, Town Prevails. [archive plox]

[new guy1]

Not poking you to push harder, but it can also be an easy fake claim. If evidence points to me feel free to pressure, but just know that if I have no pressure, the only reason I would reveal is if I was being pressured, or if he revealed it. I see no reason to reveal it quite yet though.

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[jak111]

Unvote for now (my vote was on jonty)... Hmmm, till I hear more on these 5 or new guy's buddy steps up I'll wait for more details. >.< It just erks me when we could narrow this down to 3 so easily. Grr. Hopefully his partner got the balls to do so.

Am I the only one who think Sully's claim is odd? I've never heard of a townie that HAD to do the hammer vote... (and he didn't hammer Saf... so what happens if he doesn't hammer them???)

[Victor Sullivan]

It's kind of on the honor system. I gotta hammer when I can. In the case of saf, I wasn't there to hammer.

-Sully

[spiesr]

It's kind of on the honor system. I gotta hammer when I can. In the case of saf, I wasn't there to hammer.

What happens you you don't hammer when you could have? Does the mod force your vote, or do you die or something?

It'd be nice if we do have a cop/investigator if he could CONFIRM a few roles tomorrow >.<. (especially some of the ones we have on the possible Mafia list).

At this point I am not sure if a cop could even confirm anyone as town for certain. It appears that the head mafia is (one of?) the remaining member. If he is a Godfather role he may have the power to turn up town under investigation. If that is the case then any innocent results the cop has are not terribly useful.
Now, we don't know what sort of powers this head mafia actually has, but we certainly can't ignore this possibility. Hell, right now do we even know if we have a sane cop?

[spiesr]

Forgive me if I am wrong, Jak did you ever answer this for me?

While looking back, I also remembered that I don't recall Jak ever answering this for me.

I think I would feel more confident, Jak, if you could let us know some of the flavor of your role. (Without doing anything that would stray into quoting of course.) I mean, what sort of nature is your character portrayed as having according to your role pm?

[jak111]

Point taken. A Mafia Godfather sounds likely to be left >.<. Could he still not confirm what people are SAYING they are though? Just a question ^^.

Also if there is one and that's the case, can he check Sully tonight... Because that claim.. it's so.. unique? Yet not exact? Just sounds a bit fishy is all >.<.

With Sully NOR Spiesr stepping up and saying their New Guy's partner... the only 2 people left would be Jonty and Everywhere...

Also to Spiesr's post that was posted as I was writing this, I was trying to figure out what you really meant.. But I think I understand after reading my pm a couple of times. I'm Britney Spears so of course.. I'm a bit wacky... <.< >.>... (crazy)...

[spiesr]

Point taken. A Mafia Godfather sounds likely to be left >.<. Could he still not confirm what people are SAYING they are though? Just a question ^^.

Err, how exactly? Cops usual just find out if their targets are town or mafia. Everyone is claiming to be town aligned. Mafia godfather would appear to be town aligned under investigation. So, unless we have a cop who has guilty investigations (and is sane) then all he can do is tell us that whatever player is either town or the godfather, which we can probably already determine as much. So, I don't understand your post...

[jak111]

I'm thinking like an investigator role.. one that finds out the ROLE of their target (We called them seers in the Werewolf game on Whirled)...

[everywhere116]

Of course, if he [jak] is mafia, or third party, we need another direction to go. I am not quite yet ready to go after jonty, I will have to do some looking around first.

Wait, what? If he is mafia, doesn't that mean we win if we lynch him?

jak fastpost

You once again are assuming there's only 1 left. Damn, I guess we might as well assume it's me since that's the way everyone seems to be headed? It won't get us very far mind you. Though everywhere, do you want to claim a mason or something linked to new guy and him clear you back to clear you both? Or are you gonna keep going AROUND that subject?

I'm not going to claim because I don't have to. I'm cleared via night action and no one has voted for me.

[jak111]

Of course, if he [jak] is mafia, or third party, we need another direction to go. I am not quite yet ready to go after jonty, I will have to do some looking around first.

Wait, what? If he is mafia, doesn't that mean we win if we lynch him?

jak fastpost

You once again are assuming there's only 1 left. Damn, I guess we might as well assume it's me since that's the way everyone seems to be headed? It won't get us very far mind you. Though everywhere, do you want to claim a mason or something linked to new guy and him clear you back to clear you both? Or are you gonna keep going AROUND that subject?

I'm not going to claim because I don't have to. I'm cleared via night action and no one has voted for me.

You are still in no way cleared.. and you guys thought clearing myself on my own list seemed scummy when it was for my use. Vote everywhere116, sorry but you are not cleared by any means. Besides being said that you've been roleblocked and that there wasn't a single kill last night, suggests you COULD be mafia. <.< I'm not clearing you on some scene tail posted. Scenes... there's literally a million possibilities that could have happened. All we know is that there wasn't a mafia kill last night and that's either because MoB saved him (soundman) OR the killer was blocked (YOU).

I'm sorry guys, but if I can't be 'cleared' on a save from BEING killed, he can't be 'cleared' on what a scene says...

[DoomYoshi]

The difference is that there is some in-scene information that backs up everything. He is not 100% clear, not by a long shot. However, he is more clear than you.

[everywhere116]

If you notice, I wasn't the one that initially tried to clear me via roleblocker. That was soundman himself. I hadn't commented on it until now, when it became apparent that the fact that I was cleared was the consensus of everyone except for you. If it wasn't brought up by sound, I wouldn't have talked about it at all unless somehow I had a bandwagon on my hands.

This is one of the examples of skimming I've seen from you in the last few pages. Overall you seem very volatile, skimmy, and for someone who said that you don't mind being lynched, desperately clinging to your life and trying to deflect the attention elsewhere, first to jonty and then to me. If you're trying to convince me that you are a VT as you claim, you're not doing a very good job.

Doom fastpost

[soundman]

Of course, if he [jak] is mafia, or third party, we need another direction to go. I am not quite yet ready to go after jonty, I will have to do some looking around first.

Wait, what? If he is mafia, doesn't that mean we win if we lynch him?

jak fastpost

You once again are assuming there's only 1 left. Damn, I guess we might as well assume it's me since that's the way everyone seems to be headed? It won't get us very far mind you. Though everywhere, do you want to claim a mason or something linked to new guy and him clear you back to clear you both? Or are you gonna keep going AROUND that subject?

I'm not going to claim because I don't have to. I'm cleared via night action and no one has voted for me.

You are still in no way cleared.. and you guys thought clearing myself on my own list seemed scummy when it was for my use. Vote everywhere116, sorry but you are not cleared by any means. Besides being said that you've been roleblocked and that there wasn't a single kill last night, suggests you COULD be mafia. <.< I'm not clearing you on some scene tail posted. Scenes... there's literally a million possibilities that could have happened. All we know is that there wasn't a mafia kill last night and that's either because MoB saved him (soundman) OR the killer was blocked (YOU).

I'm sorry guys, but if I can't be 'cleared' on a save from BEING killed, he can't be 'cleared' on what a scene says...

Wow, lot of pages in just a few hours. So let's clear all this up.

First, my list of suspects were only those who had yet to claim. That by no means says that Jak or anyone else is clear. It was just a list of unclaimed people. I left those that had claimed, been cleared, or semi cleared off that list.

I am 90% sure that there is only one mafia member left and I am 100% sure that the scene is an accurate representation of what happened last night. For all the major stuff that is. Why? Because every other scene has been spot on so far so why shouldn't this one? That being said the scene seems to indicate that the Kingpin is now alone. It also says that I was shot and saved by a doctor. A roleblock did not save me. So on that note I have everywhere on my semi cleared list since I roleblocked him and there was still a shot.

[new guy1]

Wouldnt it make since that there was no mafia kill? Maybe the SK's kill came first and so when Kingpin said "you dont know how bad of a time you picked" he meant "He was supposed to kill the next person, and you have prevented it". Just a thought!

[dazza2008]

Wouldnt it make since that there was no mafia kill? Maybe the SK's kill came first and so when Kingpin said "you dont know how bad of a time you picked" he meant "He was supposed to kill the next person, and you have prevented it". Just a thought!

I don't have a clue what you mean or who you are talking to since you didn't say but the scene says the doc was there to save the life.

[spiesr]

Wouldnt it make since that there was no mafia kill? Maybe the SK's kill came first and so when Kingpin said "you dont know how bad of a time you picked" he meant "He was supposed to kill the next person, and you have prevented it". Just a thought!

At least for most mods, killing someone does not stop them from making their action that night...

[jak111]

If you notice, I wasn't the one that initially tried to clear me via roleblocker. That was soundman himself. I hadn't commented on it until now, when it became apparent that the fact that I was cleared was the consensus of everyone except for you. If it wasn't brought up by sound, I wouldn't have talked about it at all unless somehow I had a bandwagon on my hands.

This is one of the examples of skimming I've seen from you in the last few pages. Overall you seem very volatile, skimmy, and for someone who said that you don't mind being lynched, desperately clinging to your life and trying to deflect the attention elsewhere, first to jonty and then to me. If you're trying to convince me that you are a VT as you claim, you're not doing a very good job.

Doom fastpost

Well I would not put desperate. Just using what time I have left to make a few last cases that can be glanced over by anyone with half a brain. But sorry guys, the scene doesn't clear him for me, yes there's others to ask like

Sully
Spiesr
Jonty

for the main ones. But with how people are reacting to that scene.. I don't buy it one bit.

[jak111]

As for a list to post on everyone, I just want to make another list of people before the lynch.

1. MoB Deadly - Claims Doc (100% Confirmed)
2. dazza2008 - Claims VT
4. spiesr - (???)
5. everywhere116 - (Is not claimed, and is cleared by a scene?)
7. jonty125 - (Could be New Guy's partner)
8. Victor Sullivan - Claims Hammah slammah (could be mafia fake claim? If someone can take time and actually read everything besides whats just being said about me we could understand if this is a real claim).
10. new guy1 - Claims Mason (Still unknown partner.. most likely jonty but no one has the balls to pressure this claim at all)
12. soundman - Claims Roleblocker (100% Confirmed)
16. DoomYoshi - Not scummy, didn't claim, but definite chance of him being town 90%
17. jak111 - Claims VT

Hmm, if someone would actually like to be productive here's two options I present to everyone here.
1.) We pressure the unknowns and actually learn something instead of fighting back and forth.
2.) Lynch me and get it over with, because I'm tired of fighting an obvious one-sided battle with no support from anyone and the only posts being recognized by me are ones that make me look bad.

Pick one because I'm not bothering defending myself anymore till you do.

[soundman]

I believe Victor, at least for who is character is. He's been softclaiming that guy since his very first post of Day One.

[spiesr]

I believe Victor, at least for who is character is. He's been softclaiming that guy since his very first post of Day One.

This by itself doesn't mean it is true, just that he has had it planned out.
However, a reread of the Day 3 lynch scene does add some credibility to his claim.

[DoomYoshi]

Yea, he has been playing the flavor. Saying that is a town action or a mafia action though is pure WiFOM. It seems a mighty convenient way to explain hammering.

[jonty125]

I've heard of VS' role before. If you guys would like me to claim I shall. And I find everywhere's post fishy but I still see jak as #1 suspect.

[DoomYoshi]

I don't like this precedent you have set jak. Now it seems everyone is claiming with no provocation and getting away with it.

[spiesr]

I don't like this precedent you have set jak. Now it seems everyone is claiming with no provocation and getting away with it.

Do you want I should go next?

[everywhere116]

I don't like this precedent you have set jak. Now it seems everyone is claiming with no provocation and getting away with it.

Nah, this is more claiming to get information than claiming to save yourself.