The Thing TOWN WINS!

[Ragian]

Is deadline today?

[Extreme Ways]

Is deadline today?

Yes

[Ragian]

Frick. I have a Christmas Lunch with work in two hours.

[Ragian]

It's not Deg, it's not me, it's not Charle.

I believe Strike (I also believe Sonic).

Traf's latest posts ring town to me.

That leaves EW, Swang, and Votanic.

I won't get anyone swayed to voting Votanic.

Vote Swang

Here goes nothing

[SoN!c]

It's not Deg, it's not me, it's not Charle.

I believe Strike (I also believe Sonic).

Traf's latest posts ring town to me.

That leaves EW, Swang, and Votanic.

I won't get anyone swayed to voting Votanic.

Vote Swang

Here goes nothing

vote Swang

Still very sure it's Traf, look his post why he was voting me:

Reasons on vote for SoNic - I do think there was a slight change in his D1 to d2 accusations which could mean converted. But also even if town I dont find he is being really useful.

What "slight change"? I was still voting Traf D1 and D2. Also it "proves" that Traf is voting for a recruit if you would actually think it through..

There is no way The Thing (recruiter) would change overnight...

But ok, no more pointing at Traf. That's a promise

[Extreme Ways]

Traf, I honestly like your post and it confirms town for me, but there is another kink.

There is a very good chance that D3 will have a Vig as well, even if I am converted. Therefore, with a lynch and a vig today, will leave us with 4 players and 3 shots on D3 (BT, lynch and Vig). It is better than 3 shots at 5 players. Don't you agree?

I mention this as I will probably be converted tonight and be part of the other team tomorrow

Can you explain the first bolded thing, in such a way that I dont have to worry about the second bolded thing? How will D3 have a vig if you are converted?

[strike wolf]

Traf because his overall behavior seems off to me. He tends to pop up when the pressure on him is higher and go quieter when it's not. He's been fairly passive on scum hunting and when he was pressed to do so, his initial response was to choose a fairly OMGusy vote against Son!c.

Son!c because his behavior is scummy and frankly, town or scum I don't think we should encourage his flood the thread, exaggerate cases, condescend to questions asked of him and outright lie to get his way playstyle. I said earlier, the only reason Son!c gets away with this is because he developed a reputation in The Tick for being a Loose Cannon. Reference intended. Anyone else playing like this and we would have lynched them D1 and I don't put it past Son!c to recognize this as scum and try to take advantage of his reputation. If he's not scum this time then he'll just keep doing it every game and it'll be hard to ever justify lynching him regardless of how scummy he really is and even when hes town itll be easy to hide behind the noise for the actual scum like Fusi was able to do D2 of The Tick. Even when he might be right, it's hard to get behind his cases when a significant percent of his posts are pure bullshit. I also give less weight then you do to his being vocal means town.

Then there's the other options. EW has struck me over as more town in recent posts and I still don't think Vot is recruiter. I know you and Deg aren't recruiter and if Charle is lying about being vig, well know 1 way or the other by tomorrow morning. So that leaves Son!c, Swang and Traf and the only thing I have on Swang is how inactive hes been and a fairly non-committal vote against Son!c D1. So I lean traf or Son!c and I think Traf is slightly more likely to be scum than Son!c

@Son!c: If traf flips town or recruit. Who do you think is recruiter?

[Extreme Ways]

Related question, do we know whether we hit recruit or recruiter when we kill a thing?

[SoN!c]

Traf because his overall behavior seems off to me. He tends to pop up when the pressure on him is higher and go quieter when it's not. He's been fairly passive on scum hunting and when he was pressed to do so, his initial response was to choose a fairly OMGusy vote against Son!c.

Son!c because his behavior is scummy and frankly, town or scum I don't think we should encourage his flood the thread, exaggerate cases, condescend to questions asked of him and outright lie to get his way playstyle. I said earlier, the only reason Son!c gets away with this is because he developed a reputation in The Tick for being a Loose Cannon. Reference intended. Anyone else playing like this and we would have lynched them D1 and I don't put it past Son!c to recognize this as scum and try to take advantage of his reputation. If he's not scum this time then he'll just keep doing it every game and it'll be hard to ever justify lynching him regardless of how scummy he really is and even when hes town itll be easy to hide behind the noise for the actual scum like Fusi was able to do D2 of The Tick. Even when he might be right, it's hard to get behind his cases when a significant percent of his posts are pure bullshit. I also give less weight then you do to his being vocal means town.

Then there's the other options. EW has struck me over as more town in recent posts and I still don't think Vot is recruiter. I know you and Deg aren't recruiter and if Charle is lying about being vig, well know 1 way or the other by tomorrow morning. So that leaves Son!c, Swang and Traf and the only thing I have on Swang is how inactive hes been and a fairly non-committal vote against Son!c D1. So I lean traf or Son!c and I think Traf is slightly more likely to be scum than Son!c

@Son!c: If traf flips town or recruit. Who do you think is recruiter?

Only Traf fits the Ting to me. Nobody else stands out. And yes, i posted way too much. Was not intented, it just happened and one Thing lead to another.. lesson learned



A) Traf is the Thing
B) The Vig was not recruited N1 and is still in play.
C) The recruit N1 is NOT Votanic

A: I know why Traf voted me and that is 100% a scum Thing to do. Combined with everything else im even more sure it's him.

B: Recruiting the vig would be 10% chance and The Thing would have been extremely lucky if he did recruited MacReady. Also we did not get a Charle counterclaim so the Thing recruit is very smart. (unless Swang counterclaims but i think that has 0,0 chance)

C: Votanic and Deg were pointing at me for being loud, Traf needed an escape at that moment so he was hoping to get one more vote on me and i think the plan was that the very smart recruit would stay hidden in the shadow (Just helping out with little pushes, hardly noticeable) to hammer me (lynch D2).

[Extreme Ways]

It's not Deg, it's not me, it's not Charle.

I believe Strike (I also believe Sonic).

Traf's latest posts ring town to me.

That leaves EW, Swang, and Votanic.

I won't get anyone swayed to voting Votanic.

Vote Swang

Here goes nothing

Vote Swang

[Votanic]

Still thinking about Charle's announcement.... spinning the wine glasses around.

I am thinking it might be just as it reads, especially since all the other possibilities seem so complicated.
Are cCharle and strike in cahoots somehow? I suppose the cultists can communicate with each other... Could some elite subset of townies have some communication privileges? Charle could be vanilla town throwing the scent off the real Mcready. Meh, all that is way out on a limb.

strike coming in immediately with that idea for the real MacReady (if any exists) to stay silent is brilliant, but is it brilliant town or brilliant scum?
It guess must be town, because then a scummy Charle would either be vigged by the real McReady, or BTed tomorrow. Unless only strike was scum and he said that to cast doubt on Charle's claim. ..but again this is becoming too complicated.
It seems desperate, but I suppose there are some benefits for scum... Chale won't be lynched and can live another night, maybe. Also nobody else but Charle will likely be BTed tomorrow.

...So I guess I do believe that Charle is McReady.

So now Swang is on the hot seat and he still hasn't shown up to defend himself. If he doesn't show up soon, I might assume he is busy or over the game... but I suppose scum could hope people would think that. If he isn't lynched, then he is at risk for a modkill. Joke, I doubt DDS would do that... especially if Swang is scum!
Once again the most silent player seems to be the one to die, scummy or not...hmm.
However, Swang's silence is becoming inexcusable.
I'll wait a few hours to see if he shows up and says anything... but if he isn't even here, I will get on his bandwagon.

[degaston]

There is a very good chance that D3 will have a Vig as well, even if I am converted.

It would seem very unbalanced if a vig could be recruited and still have a kill.

In any case, I'm still voting with Ragian.
Vote Swang

[SoN!c]

Thats 4 guys.. im voting with Ragian too but i dont think Swang is the Thing..

Next one is the hammer

[degaston]

There is a very good chance that D3 will have a Vig as well, even if I am converted.

It would seem very unbalanced if a vig could be recruited and still have a kill.

In any case, I'm still voting with Ragian.
Vote Swang

Personally, though, I think either Sonic or Traf should have been the target.

[strike wolf]

Before I vote, we should decide how we're using the vig with Swang. If town, Traf or Son!c still make sense to me but not sure who I'd suggest if he pops up as the Recruiter or Recruiter.

[SoN!c]

There is a very good chance that D3 will have a Vig as well, even if I am converted.

It would seem very unbalanced if a vig could be recruited and still have a kill.

In any case, I'm still voting with Ragian.
Vote Swang

Personally, though, I think either Sonic or Traf should have been the target.

I agree - and vig the other!

[SoN!c]

In Europe its almost 20.30 pm so if you wanna change vote this is like countdown NYE.. tik tok

[Votanic]

What is the exact time the day ends, including time zone?

[SoN!c]

What is the exact time the day ends, including time zone?

Just looked it up, December 8, Friday, 5 PM -UTC7..that is usa time for sure and i think 4 or 6 hours extra..if its 4 we have 13 minutes left..

[Extreme Ways]

aka 1am for western europe, midnight for the bri*ish.

[degaston]

What is the exact time the day ends, including time zone?

Just looked it up, December 8, Friday, 5 PM -UTC7..that is usa time for sure and i think 4 or 6 hours extra..if its 4 we have 13 minutes left..

It's 12:40 UTC7 as I post this, so we have 4:20 left.

[SoN!c]

Fp by EW

Yeah, i checked brussels is utc+1 so difference should be 8 hours but im not sure on winter/summer hour as that can change as well..

No quick conversion utc-7 to paris timezone..France changes from standard time (UTC+1) to daylight saving time (UTC+2) in the summer half-year and then back again.

So 8 or 7 hours difference right?

[SoN!c]

What is the exact time the day ends, including time zone?

Just looked it up, December 8, Friday, 5 PM -UTC7..that is usa time for sure and i think 4 or 6 hours extra..if its 4 we have 13 minutes left..

It's 12:40 UTC7 as I post this, so we have 4:20 left.

Thanks Deg.

Ok 4 hours left but bedtime in 1 hour, max 90 minutes..

Been working 13 days in a row and sunday im on the job again

[degaston]

In case you want to check for yourself:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/timezone/utc-7

[SoN!c]

In case you want to check for yourself:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/timezone/utc-7

How is it i always get a double meaning when you post me? Like master baiter? Now this.. "in case you wanna check yourself"

Someday im gonna do the same Deg, but instead of giving you a medecine of your own, im just gonna send the entire drugstore instead