Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

[Army of GOD]

Since AOG is already confirmed as a fellow braavosian, he's my top pick as our scum. He basically stated in the middle of D3 that he won't be posting in our QT (not that he had been there or here very much) bc of his suspicions of jak. I'll admit that jaks style can be annoying and throw scum vibes but I've played with him multiple times now in which his style is the same regardless of alignment. We've since seen an uptick in discussion primarily between Zivel, rob and another player who hasn't come forward with his location in the main discussion.

I just don't see the benefit of posting in it if we know at least one person (possibly two) is scum in there. I don't want to pretend like it's a safe haven for conversation when I know that the mafia in there can just relay all of the conversation to the rest of the mafia. I'd much rather keep all of my conversation out in the open here so that everyone can see it.

[IAmRobik]

We can discuss my ability at a later time, but it's not the bleeding you perceive it to be. I said earlier that I thought it could be completely useless and that maybe I wouldn't be able to kill anyone anyway, so you can think about it and make of it what you'd like. There's a chance that death by a shot is instant, but I would not know it until it happens.

Blah, I hate being this cryptic, but I don't want to just out that shit cause there's no good reason to at this moment. Also, legion might not die tomorrow. 1) it depends on me and whether we decide that he's town 2) it depends on legion's role -- from what he said about his role in our QT, he might not die

ok hadn't seen this post sorry.

well what do we do now? I think I might want to ask legion who he thinks X is then, if he isn't going to die, cause I'm still not buying his story. It all relies on an accumulation of improbable things and conclusions he shouldn't have made (crasp 100% town, 100% sure pershy could only be visited by 1 person...)

Robik, why the hell tell yesterday that you are a vig, then today come up and say the oposite? we didn't ask you shit yesterday and you came up with all your vig BS threatening to shoot everyone. Then last night you asked who you should target. You cannot just lie like that. I'm in favour of getting your claim. there is no way town has 2 killer roles.

Based off of EVERYONE flipping with a role so far (i think), it's safe to assume that EVERYONE has some sort of role. I don't have full KP. I'm not a full vig but a partial one. If Legion dies, I prove myself. If he doesn't die, then it's because of the fact that he has some sort of protection thing from nk that he mentions in our QT.
I'm not gonna full claim cause I don't 100% know that Zivel is town, although i do lean towards that opinion, and cause game mechanics dictate that there's is almost certainly something to prevent the game breaking with full role claims.

I wasn't afraid to use my bullet cause I was pretty sure it wouldn't insta-kill anyone.

[betiko]

oh come on, so now legion is tracker+watcher+he is buletproof? I want a full claim from legion, this is so full of shit.

[Army of GOD]

Oh, ok, and here is my problem with "betiko is our lord and savior, we must protect him at all costs". Like I said in D3, what if this is a mafia ruse? What if they sacrificed one of their own to make betiko look incredibly innocent?

Not that I personally think betiko is scum. I am getting a pretty strong town read from him. But I don't think he's 100% town. Yeah, it'd be very unbalanced if the mafia had an unlynchable character but it seems like there are a ton of vigs in this game. Besides, I feel like the roles are slightly unbalanced anyway. betiko's player X has a really strong ability while mine is somewhat...meh.

I'm just saying we just have to stay on our toes, at least a little bit.

[IAmRobik]

oh come on, so now legion is tracker+watcher+he is buletproof? I want a full claim from legion, this is so full of shit.

he says that if i tried to kill him it probably failed cause he's immune to 1kp. I didn't 1kp him, so I don't know if he's telling the truth or not (cough cough hint hint). If he doesn't die tonight, it's not my fault.

[IAmRobik]

I want to string up AOG cause he's incapable of playing the game and he's coming to illogical conclusions and he's pushing scum for things that aren't scummy at all, which means that he's just trying to push scum for the sake of pushing scum.

[Army of GOD]

I want to string up AOG cause he's incapable of playing the game and he's coming to illogical conclusions and he's pushing scum for things that aren't scummy at all, which means that he's just trying to push scum for the sake of pushing scum.

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Robik has his panties in a bunch because in the QT, he, similarly to why I was suspicious of jak, said that we should come to a decision as a town about a specific action. Considering we have at least 1 and possibly 2 scum in our town. I just don't think that's a smart idea because the scum could lead the town to conclusions that are pro-mafia.

[SiriusCowKing]

Well too bad for crasp... I understand better his qt thing with varys, but he was never very eloquent about it. We just know who varys is and that the discussions were extremely unproductive with that person. That person lied and said he/she was in king s landing while it s obviously not true by the way. Crasp kept on saying varys is scummy... But didn t give us any real evidence.
I have no problem to out varys if you guys want to.

Fp

Sounds like the best lead. Funny thing is, varys is charm, and I had my votes on her from day 2. I will go ahead and ##vote charm. I hope people listen to me more next time I have a theory.

For those who still doesn't get it, here is how I knew charm was anti-town from day 2:
-Night 1, charm and strike wolf get roleblocked, only 1 kill occurs. We now know that strike wolf is town so charm is the anti-town that was denied a kill.
-Night 2, the mafia roleblocker admits blocking bunnies, which we know was town. 2 kills occur. There was only 1 roleblock this night but there are many possibilities of why only 1 roleblock.
-Night 3, only 1 kill occurs but IAmRobik admits trying on legion and legion comes out saying his role had resilience. This proves that the normal amount of kills per night is 2, so a kill was indeed blocked in night 1. So far no one claims to have been roleblocked.

Legion's theory is that she would be the town roleblock, which actually makes me think he's trying to protect her and thus they are both mafia. If she was the town roleblocker, how could there be 2 roleblocks night 1. If it was the case, she would have been prevented from using her power and thus strike wolf would not have been roleblocked.

1) your theory is completely flawed, we tried to explain it to you many times. you cannot conclude that the fact that charm got roleblocked night 1 is the direct cause of only 1 kill night 1. there can be a million reasons. just take jak/robik's role who kills with 1 day delay; if he targets night 1 the person isn't dead before night 2. Even if there wasn't that role around, there are tons of other explanations that could work

2) how do you know there was only 1 roleblock on night 2? there is only 1 KNOWN roleblock N2 which is completely different.

3) no you don't understand ever what is happening gosh. Robik said that people don't die immediately when he targets them. This has nothing to do with legion's role, he never claimed such thing (he claimed watcher+tracker)

4) when exactly did legion say that charm is the town roleblock?

dude, seriously, do you ever read the thread, or just one post in every while, and the rest you just make it up? focus gosh! I'm tired of telling you that everything you say is inacurate. Not saying that charm isn't mafia, but your case has more holes than a swiss cheese.

1-I know it is a possibility, but I still think it's the best lead.
2-Why do you think I said there was many ways to explain why there was only 1 roleblock in night 2. I know it's the only known roleblock and not the actual number of roleblocks that occurred. I figured that whether the 2 roleblockers blocked the same person or someone got roleblocked and didn't mentioned it, it didn't matter because there was 2 kills.
3-If Robik is saying the truth, then there should have been 2 kills in night 3 when he would have targeted someone in night 2. And Robik said his ability was not a bleed. I understand that there are more possibilities of a role that would kill with a delay, especially with the twists we seen so far, but I think that Robik is not telling all the truth here.
4-page 38:

@Betiko, the person I tracked was not charm. With that in mind I have to go with my first assumption of the powers of the person I tracked; that s/he has protective powers or roleblocking. As s/he visited crasp the first day and he still lived following day would suggest this, we have already taken out the mafia RB so the possibility remains that s/he is the Town Roleblocker.
S/he is of more use to town than I am so I will take his/her name with me to the grave regardless of what you do. Their identity must be protected at all costs considering the potential power of their role.

Do YOU even read the thread?

[SiriusCowKing]

Oh, ok, and here is my problem with "betiko is our lord and savior, we must protect him at all costs". Like I said in D3, what if this is a mafia ruse? What if they sacrificed one of their own to make betiko look incredibly innocent?

Not that I personally think betiko is scum. I am getting a pretty strong town read from him. But I don't think he's 100% town. Yeah, it'd be very unbalanced if the mafia had an unlynchable character but it seems like there are a ton of vigs in this game. Besides, I feel like the roles are slightly unbalanced anyway. betiko's player X has a really strong ability while mine is somewhat...meh.

I'm just saying we just have to stay on our toes, at least a little bit.

Looking at how much he refute my theory of charm being a mafia, I am inclined to say that betiko doesn't look so townie to me now.

[IAmRobik]

Well too bad for crasp... I understand better his qt thing with varys, but he was never very eloquent about it. We just know who varys is and that the discussions were extremely unproductive with that person. That person lied and said he/she was in king s landing while it s obviously not true by the way. Crasp kept on saying varys is scummy... But didn t give us any real evidence.
I have no problem to out varys if you guys want to.

Fp

Sounds like the best lead. Funny thing is, varys is charm, and I had my votes on her from day 2. I will go ahead and ##vote charm. I hope people listen to me more next time I have a theory.

For those who still doesn't get it, here is how I knew charm was anti-town from day 2:
-Night 1, charm and strike wolf get roleblocked, only 1 kill occurs. We now know that strike wolf is town so charm is the anti-town that was denied a kill.
-Night 2, the mafia roleblocker admits blocking bunnies, which we know was town. 2 kills occur. There was only 1 roleblock this night but there are many possibilities of why only 1 roleblock.
-Night 3, only 1 kill occurs but IAmRobik admits trying on legion and legion comes out saying his role had resilience. This proves that the normal amount of kills per night is 2, so a kill was indeed blocked in night 1. So far no one claims to have been roleblocked.

Legion's theory is that she would be the town roleblock, which actually makes me think he's trying to protect her and thus they are both mafia. If she was the town roleblocker, how could there be 2 roleblocks night 1. If it was the case, she would have been prevented from using her power and thus strike wolf would not have been roleblocked.

1) your theory is completely flawed, we tried to explain it to you many times. you cannot conclude that the fact that charm got roleblocked night 1 is the direct cause of only 1 kill night 1. there can be a million reasons. just take jak/robik's role who kills with 1 day delay; if he targets night 1 the person isn't dead before night 2. Even if there wasn't that role around, there are tons of other explanations that could work

2) how do you know there was only 1 roleblock on night 2? there is only 1 KNOWN roleblock N2 which is completely different.

3) no you don't understand ever what is happening gosh. Robik said that people don't die immediately when he targets them. This has nothing to do with legion's role, he never claimed such thing (he claimed watcher+tracker)

4) when exactly did legion say that charm is the town roleblock?

dude, seriously, do you ever read the thread, or just one post in every while, and the rest you just make it up? focus gosh! I'm tired of telling you that everything you say is inacurate. Not saying that charm isn't mafia, but your case has more holes than a swiss cheese.

1-I know it is a possibility, but I still think it's the best lead.
2-Why do you think I said there was many ways to explain why there was only 1 roleblock in night 2. I know it's the only known roleblock and not the actual number of roleblocks that occurred. I figured that whether the 2 roleblockers blocked the same person or someone got roleblocked and didn't mentioned it, it didn't matter because there was 2 kills.
3-If Robik is saying the truth, then there should have been 2 kills in night 3 when he would have targeted someone in night 2. And Robik said his ability was not a bleed. I understand that there are more possibilities of a role that would kill with a delay, especially with the twists we seen so far, but I think that Robik is not telling all the truth here.
4-page 38:

@Betiko, the person I tracked was not charm. With that in mind I have to go with my first assumption of the powers of the person I tracked; that s/he has protective powers or roleblocking. As s/he visited crasp the first day and he still lived following day would suggest this, we have already taken out the mafia RB so the possibility remains that s/he is the Town Roleblocker.
S/he is of more use to town than I am so I will take his/her name with me to the grave regardless of what you do. Their identity must be protected at all costs considering the potential power of their role.

Do YOU even read the thread?

Except for the fact that I said that I don't know if JAK targeted anyone n1/n2. Some people are scared to vigi shoot early in games because they don't have enough information. Maybe he did shoot someone and I shot someone else. I don't know.

[pretender77]

Just to clarify for anyone I AM A MEMBER OF STORMS END. This is another strike for zivel correct?
fp cow
fp robik

[pancakemix]

Sounds like the best lead. Funny thing is, varys is charm, and I had my votes on her from day 2. I will go ahead and ##vote charm. I hope people listen to me more next time I have a theory.

For those who still doesn't get it, here is how I knew charm was anti-town from day 2:
-Night 1, charm and strike wolf get roleblocked, only 1 kill occurs. We now know that strike wolf is town so charm is the anti-town that was denied a kill.
-Night 2, the mafia roleblocker admits blocking bunnies, which we know was town. 2 kills occur. There was only 1 roleblock this night but there are many possibilities of why only 1 roleblock.
-Night 3, only 1 kill occurs but IAmRobik admits trying on legion and legion comes out saying his role had resilience. This proves that the normal amount of kills per night is 2, so a kill was indeed blocked in night 1. So far no one claims to have been roleblocked.

Legion's theory is that she would be the town roleblock, which actually makes me think he's trying to protect her and thus they are both mafia. If she was the town roleblocker, how could there be 2 roleblocks night 1. If it was the case, she would have been prevented from using her power and thus strike wolf would not have been roleblocked.

...that doesn't make any sense at all. Charm doesn't have to be a roleblocker. It's just theoretical and doesn't mean anything one way or the other. Also:

4-page 38:

@Betiko, the person I tracked was not charm. With that in mind I have to go with my first assumption of the powers of the person I tracked; that s/he has protective powers or roleblocking. As s/he visited crasp the first day and he still lived following day would suggest this, we have already taken out the mafia RB so the possibility remains that s/he is the Town Roleblocker.
S/he is of more use to town than I am so I will take his/her name with me to the grave regardless of what you do. Their identity must be protected at all costs considering the potential power of their role.

Do YOU even read the thread?

So no, no you're not reading, because that says that it's not charm who was tracked/potential RB.

##Vote Sirius for some major skimmings.

@AoG: Have you forgotten that we can't lynch betiko even if we wanted to? My understanding is betiko is just the messenger anyway and this is something the Dread Fort is privvy to. (Am I wrong? Correct me if I am). If you're really that distrusting of Betiko, demand his name as collateral.

Except for the fact that I said that I don't know if JAK targeted anyone n1/n2. Some people are scared to vigi shoot early in games because they don't have enough information. Maybe he did shoot someone and I shot someone else. I don't know.

Knowing Jak, he probably tried (or learned his lesson from CYOC3...)

[Army of GOD]

@AoG: Have you forgotten that we can't lynch betiko even if we wanted to? My understanding is betiko is just the messenger anyway and this is something the Dread Fort is privvy to. (Am I wrong? Correct me if I am). If you're really that distrusting of Betiko, demand his name as collateral.

That's my point. If we have people protecting betiko every night, then there's no possible way he can die since he can't be lynched.

It's not that I don't trust him, it's that I just don't want to get completely swept into the "betiko is 100% town, defend him with all your might" attitude. Like I said, I think he's town.

[SiriusCowKing]

Sounds like the best lead. Funny thing is, varys is charm, and I had my votes on her from day 2. I will go ahead and ##vote charm. I hope people listen to me more next time I have a theory.

For those who still doesn't get it, here is how I knew charm was anti-town from day 2:
-Night 1, charm and strike wolf get roleblocked, only 1 kill occurs. We now know that strike wolf is town so charm is the anti-town that was denied a kill.
-Night 2, the mafia roleblocker admits blocking bunnies, which we know was town. 2 kills occur. There was only 1 roleblock this night but there are many possibilities of why only 1 roleblock.
-Night 3, only 1 kill occurs but IAmRobik admits trying on legion and legion comes out saying his role had resilience. This proves that the normal amount of kills per night is 2, so a kill was indeed blocked in night 1. So far no one claims to have been roleblocked.

Legion's theory is that she would be the town roleblock, which actually makes me think he's trying to protect her and thus they are both mafia. If she was the town roleblocker, how could there be 2 roleblocks night 1. If it was the case, she would have been prevented from using her power and thus strike wolf would not have been roleblocked.

...that doesn't make any sense at all. Charm doesn't have to be a roleblocker. It's just theoretical and doesn't mean anything one way or the other. Also:

4-page 38:

@Betiko, the person I tracked was not charm. With that in mind I have to go with my first assumption of the powers of the person I tracked; that s/he has protective powers or roleblocking. As s/he visited crasp the first day and he still lived following day would suggest this, we have already taken out the mafia RB so the possibility remains that s/he is the Town Roleblocker.
S/he is of more use to town than I am so I will take his/her name with me to the grave regardless of what you do. Their identity must be protected at all costs considering the potential power of their role.

Do YOU even read the thread?

So no, no you're not reading, because that says that it's not charm who was tracked/potential RB.

##Vote Sirius for some major skimmings.

@AoG: Have you forgotten that we can't lynch betiko even if we wanted to? My understanding is betiko is just the messenger anyway and this is something the Dread Fort is privvy to. (Am I wrong? Correct me if I am). If you're really that distrusting of Betiko, demand his name as collateral.

Except for the fact that I said that I don't know if JAK targeted anyone n1/n2. Some people are scared to vigi shoot early in games because they don't have enough information. Maybe he did shoot someone and I shot someone else. I don't know.

Knowing Jak, he probably tried (or learned his lesson from CYOC3...)

Oh gawd, yeah you're right, I miss read legion's post. I guess I might have miss read other stuff too. If no one else believes that charm is mafia, maybe she's not, maybe I'm just wrong. Anyone want to jump in before I remove my vote? I feel quite tired and confused right now so I will let you guys lead this, too many stuff going on.

[crasp]

Thanks for the game people. for the best as up to my neck at work just now and storr has really pushed the boat out on this one. See you around.
FP

[27ninjabunnies]

I just got modkilled in a mafia game.

I need a place to vent.

Who wants to die next?

[Army of GOD]

I just got modkilled in a mafia game.

I need a place to vent.

Who wants to die next?

[27ninjabunnies]

I just got modkilled in a mafia game.

I need a place to vent.

Who wants to die next?

Done!

##Vote: Aog.

Lel

[IAmRobik]

I just got modkilled in a mafia game.

I need a place to vent.

Who wants to die next?

I can't even think straight right now. I'm so furious

[IAmRobik]

I just got modkilled in a mafia game.

I need a place to vent.

Who wants to die next?

I can't even think straight right now. I'm so furious

Although it's funny that you and banks had to find and kill each other LAWL

[Zivel]

Just to clarify for anyone I AM A MEMBER OF STORMS END. This is another strike for zivel correct?
fp cow
fp robik

Really.....

You are scum.

[27ninjabunnies]

I just got modkilled in a mafia game.

I need a place to vent.

Who wants to die next?

I can't even think straight right now. I'm so furious

Although it's funny that you and banks had to find and kill each other LAWL

Haha, but seriously!

Out of all the people I'd have to kill, it was Banks?!

Is the world against me or something!?

[Zivel]

Not the right place to talk about other games guys.

[27ninjabunnies]

Not the right place to talk about other games guys.

Meh, I know.

Anyway.

So who should we kill?

I've heard a bit about people wanting to kill you Zivel.

[SiriusCowKing]

Oh gawd, yeah you're right, I miss read legion's post. I guess I might have miss read other stuff too. If no one else believes that charm is mafia, maybe she's not, maybe I'm just wrong. Anyone want to jump in before I remove my vote? I feel quite tired and confused right now so I will let you guys lead this, too many stuff going on.

No response, I guess I'll just ##unvote.