[Official] NBC Mafia Town Win MVP=trinicardinal

[MoB Deadly]

Okay I am back so I can answer any questions, may be delayed im in the finals for Fantasy Football...

I think I said mostly all I wanted to say. Here are my posts on the subject, like 20 pages back lmfao. They are in order chronologically:

My head is spinning on Rodion.

fos rodion for the directions of power roles. Yes I know Strike did it, but his was one sentence in a paragraph to get the point across. Your post was a list of instructions for multiple power roles. Strikes purpose of posting wasn't to direct power roles, yours was.

fos rodion for you escalating your jokevote case to this ridiculous level. I feel like your vote towards chap is mostly OMGUS based upon his disagreements with you in that case. You say we have all the evidence in this thread. Could you please quote or highlight chap's scummiest posts?

fos rodion/betiko for possible linkage. I want to get to the bottom of this, I feel this is a constant thorn in our side that we need to understand, so we know where we need to focus in this game.

I don't necessarily know if we need to address this now or a different day. Strike said, we should cut out losses. Does anyone else have an opinion if we should move on from this before we shoot ourselves in the foot more, or are we safe to keep investigating?

Mob,

"Strike wrote a line, Rodion wrote a paragraph."

So what? If you compare both texts, the only difference is I added the watcher instructions, something I had already done the previous day and a possible reason our doctor is still alive (perhaps mafia felt intimidated and didn't kill the doctor when it's possible we don't even have a watcher ).

And know you're reading minds to say Strike's purpose was different? Alright, think what you want...

"Rodion is escalating his jokevote / Also, where is the evidence"?

I'm not sure how much evidence you want. Chap made a mess out of the Epitaph case, FOS him and me an taking days to clear the whole mess. Now we have evidence of Chap calling me out on instructions while ignoring Strike. That's probably not enough in your book since you're also applying 2 standards for Strike and me, right? So, how about the fact he flat out lied while trying to incriminate me in his last post?

[quote="chapcrap"Multiple posts containing information about how he wants town to act. Including telling the cop, doctor, and watcher what actions to take.

Lie in red. Is that evidence enough or would you like me to scavenge old posts for more?

Town Instructions: Day 1 with only 1 claim, I feel yes, be as specific as possible to that the mafia are too intimidated to even think about killing the claimed role. Any other day with multiple claims, I don't feel it should be as spelled out as you made it. I prefer Strikes method of just saying what should be said and then moving on with the rest of his post. I just dont like how your whole post was directed at night actions. I feel like you want to make it so obvious to those roles to what to do so that they are predictable. If all of our actions are 100% predictable, it makes it that much easier for scum to pick us apart.

That is just my opinion. I don't consider this evidence in a case, if I did, it is tiny and not very meaningful.

I actually agree with what you said about chap. I don't like how he messed up the epitaph case, and I don't like that red line either. Its hard for me to determine if its a difficult town vs scum case of who can debate better, or if both of you are just OMGUSing each other because you want to be the leaders of this game.

My suspicion against you is just a bunch of little things that are snowballing for me. I think your suspicions on chap are definitely valid, but I feel like I have more things against you than chap.

Fastposted by Rodion - Definitely waiting for Chap's response to this.

I bolded those lines in my original post, I just hilighted them red now.

[MoB Deadly]

Last one - sorry for the quadpost, I couldnt get the quotes to nest correctly

I don't think there's really a problem with being a little bit "on the fence" if it's true. I'm not always completely confident in my decisions and I don't have a problem showing that.

I am not completely confident either. I've said that I have had suspicions about you and chap. I have even said, if more experienced players think we have done enough damage to themselves to pursue another claim tonight then I would refrain from voting even though my gut tells me to put my vote on you. My reasons are:

1) As someone else said, there are too many people involved. This is a stupid metaphor but I think of it as a knotted shoe. Right now theres one big main knot that is messing everything up. If we can undo that one big knot, the rest of it should be easier.

2) I can make much more clearer cases based upon your alignment. If you flip scum I can do things like clear chapcrap. I know thats WIFOM, but you two have been butting heads SO much, I would be a little more confident following chap. Not saying that if you are town that chap is automatically scum either, as I have said multiple times I feel like it was an OMGUS debate for a leader of this game.

3) I think we have found scum. I think your posts have been too fluffy, I dislike how your biggest case was based upon that jokevote in another game, and I dislike how you dedicated that whole post to direct the town on what to do. And I do not know what type of relation you have to Betiko if any, but I am hoping that your claim may help to unfog.

Therefore, unvote vote Rodion

[chapcrap]

I think that in Soundman's game, the town (myself included) made a big mistake. I was over-extended last week and getting my wisdom teeth out on Friday morning didn't help me.

From my persepective, in Soundman's game, the doctor should not have needed to be told what to do. It's so obvious to save a claimed town. Even if you don't understand power roles and all of the game logistics, you should know that you have the ability to save anyone, you should save someone that you know is on your side. However, if someone would have told that it would be wise to save the watcher, I would have found no fault with that. The difference between that game and this one is the depth and scope with which Rodion was telling the town members what to do. I think that a small blurb about something that is massively obvious, should inherently be allowed. However, stating a whole town game plan is a bad idea because then the town will mostly likely follow the plan and mafia will know town's exact plan and be able to work their magic from there.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Rodion (6)- strike, chap, jonty, Mob, betiko, epitaph
strike(1)- Rodion


With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline in 2 days and about 2 hours.

[jonty125]

I don't disagree with people suggesting what power roles should do but providing a game-plan is just naff as anything can go wring.

[betiko]

ok deadline is already tomorrow for us europeans. I m really starting to get tired of this day 2; and I don't think i'm the only one.

I switch my hammer to chap, cause I m starting to wonder if there is a link between chap and mob with what rodion brought up. chap wants to hammer or so he says, so i'd be happy if someone gives him that pleasure and we can move forward, it's been over a month and I'm done arguing. we are just constantly bringing back stuff we discussed 100s of times about. there is not going to be any huge scumtells all of a sudden, let's just all use our personal opinions of everything that has already been told and stop hoping we will suddenly see the light. no one is sure of anything but we've all developped convictions of what is best in the past weeks.

[dazza2008]

If Chap is going to hammer we need him to unvote. Then 2 more people vote then he hammers. Or someone vote and I will hammer. Not much time lets make a decision.

[trinicardinal]

If Chap is going to hammer we need him to unvote. Then 2 more people vote then he hammers. Or someone vote and I will hammer. Not much time lets make a decision.

I say chap unvote, I can vote and then dazza to bring him to L-1. Then chap can hammer

[dazza2008]

If Chap is going to hammer we need him to unvote. Then 2 more people vote then he hammers. Or someone vote and I will hammer. Not much time lets make a decision.

I say chap unvote, I can vote and then dazza to bring him to L-1. Then chap can hammer

Lets do it then.

[betiko]

If Chap is going to hammer we need him to unvote. Then 2 more people vote then he hammers. Or someone vote and I will hammer. Not much time lets make a decision.

I say chap unvote, I can vote and then dazza to bring him to L-1. Then chap can hammer

I m ok with that. jimfinn hasn t been around in a long time and he was supposed to make the FOS count... People tend to say that the fos count was already on him and I just flipped my vote on him, does the majority agrees that chap should hammer? (shouldn't we prod jimfinn?) whatever is decided, we only have a day with all jetlags.

[trinicardinal]

If Chap is going to hammer we need him to unvote. Then 2 more people vote then he hammers. Or someone vote and I will hammer. Not much time lets make a decision.

I say chap unvote, I can vote and then dazza to bring him to L-1. Then chap can hammer

I m ok with that. jimfinn hasn t been around in a long time and he was supposed to make the FOS count... People tend to say that the fos count was already on him and I just flipped my vote on him, does the majority agrees that chap should hammer? (shouldn't we prod jimfinn?) whatever is decided, we only have a day with all jetlags.

Quite so... and i can't remember if I mentioned it and too lazy to check right now. I'm on vacation from tomorrow to the 9th January, 2012.. I'll still be logging in and making contributions but it won't necessarily be every day. I've arranged for a sitter to cover me with my games so hopefully I won't miss.

[betiko]

are you guys waiting the last seconds like in speed games?? last thing we need is everyone to stay silent. fishy and unwanted things could happen, mostly because everyone wouldn't get their word. I m surprised we don't see strike or medefe since a few days, i've seen strike posting all around mafia threads. open your mouth people!!

[dazza2008]

are you guys waiting the last seconds like in speed games?? last thing we need is everyone to stay silent. fishy and unwanted things could happen, mostly because everyone wouldn't get their word. I m surprised we don't see strike or medefe since a few days, i've seen strike posting all around mafia threads. open your mouth people!!

What exactly do you want everyone to talk about? I think everyone is fed up with going over and over the same points. I say we should just do what we said so we can move on.

[strike wolf]

are you guys waiting the last seconds like in speed games?? last thing we need is everyone to stay silent. fishy and unwanted things could happen, mostly because everyone wouldn't get their word. I m surprised we don't see strike or medefe since a few days, i've seen strike posting all around mafia threads. open your mouth people!!

I don't have anything to say. I'm watching Rodion put his directing town argument in every other game. Waited to see how Mob responded to Rodion's comments and guess what? He never contradicted himself. I've gone over everything and am at this point waiting to see if anyone actually follows through with the L-1 threat because really we've been prancing around actually doing it as much as discussing who should hammer.

[Swifte]

At this point I'm waiting to see chap unvote so he can hammer, because that seems to be the majority and I agree we need to get something done before the deadline.

[Rodion]

He just needs to unvote and vote again. That bumps his vote to the "last position", which means he is the hammer after the deadline is due.

[betiko]

ok so basically I might be wrong it seems like a majority agrees, and we just need to proceed, so chap unvoting is the next step.
I just don't want strange things to happen like nobody hammering and the last guy to vote is the hammer in case rodion is really bomb.

And dazza, I wasn't talking about you nor mob, nor trini nor jointy, as we all agreed to go for it. +me +chap +swifte +strike we are good to go. we'll see if that fat clown really explodes!!!

fastposeted

well if we wait for the deadline we will see people that might unvote to avoid any risk of having the guy after you unvoting and get to hammer when they didn't mean to. if you aren't bomb that's ok but if you are there are players who might not want to take that risk with a reason.

[Swifte]

Good point betiko, it makes more sense for us to force our hammer to submit the vote for the majority lynch than to depend on him being the last to vote and not chickening out or screwing us over before the deadline.

[strike wolf]

If chap volunteered to hammer and then backed out he would make a very good scum suspect. I will say this even if it unlikely. Swifte, do not put Rodion at L-1 due to the sligght possibility of a secret voter.

[betiko]

If chap volunteered to hammer and then backed out he would make a very good scum suspect. I will say this even if it unlikely. Swifte, do not put Rodion at L-1 due to the sligght possibility of a secret voter.

well the plan is to get chap to unvote before puting rodion at -1, as he is supposed to hammer, so swifte has no intention to do so right now. what is a secret voter, something like a double voter?

not only it would be a very scummy move.. it would be a great move for mafia. nevertheless he proposed to lynch before even knowing there was a deadline, so I doubt he could plan to cancel his hammer vote at the last minute.

[chapcrap]

At this point I'm waiting to see chap unvote so he can hammer, because that seems to be the majority and I agree we need to get something done before the deadline.

unvote

Bring it on!

[strike wolf]

If chap volunteered to hammer and then backed out he would make a very good scum suspect. I will say this even if it unlikely. Swifte, do not put Rodion at L-1 due to the sligght possibility of a secret voter.

well the plan is to get chap to unvote before puting rodion at -1, as he is supposed to hammer, so swifte has no intention to do so right now. what is a secret voter, something like a double voter?

not only it would be a very scummy move.. it would be a great move for mafia. nevertheless he proposed to lynch before even knowing there was a deadline, so I doubt he could plan to cancel his hammer vote at the last minute.

In this case, I mean secret voter as in anyway that allows them to place a vote during the day without having to say it in open chat whether its a double voter or an actual secret voter. The latter is rare, the former is rarely mafia. That's why I said slight chance.

[Leitz]

Unvote, vote Rodion

Let's get this day over with! Chap hammer Rodion.

[chapcrap]

Unvote, vote Rodion

Let's get this day over with! Chap hammer Rodion.

That's L-2. Need 1 more.

[dazza2008]

vote Rodion