Skoffin's Madhouse mafia Day Seven

[william18]

That's your defence? You defended him for how many pages, and then you decided to change your mind and join the bandwagon on a line because he didn't know what the person he replaced claimed as! Wow, great scum tell.

I would rather keep a survivor who is basically a nobody in a game than someone that vote hops and such.

We both forgot to blue our votes. sam- I'm not that much into movies with killers in them.

Well actually Jack the Ripper was a real guy.

[william18]

I believe Clive does seem scummy. It's not impossible that he did read dito's claim, and said that to act like a n00b and avoid being lynched.

But I think william is even scummier. Vote William

If william turns out to be scum, Clive is next.

How am I scummy? I voted clive, unvoted a day later, then voted back on him another day later. I was unsure, but I don't think it should be considered scummy.

[fireedud]

I believe Clive does seem scummy. It's not impossible that he did read dito's claim, and said that to act like a n00b and avoid being lynched.

But I think william is even scummier. Vote William

If william turns out to be scum, Clive is next.

How am I scummy? I voted clive, unvoted a day later, then voted back on him another day later. I was unsure, but I don't think it should be considered scummy.

You defended him, then you voted him.

[animorpherv1]

I believe Clive does seem scummy. It's not impossible that he did read dito's claim, and said that to act like a n00b and avoid being lynched.

But I think william is even scummier. Vote William

If william turns out to be scum, Clive is next.

How am I scummy? I voted clive, unvoted a day later, then voted back on him another day later. I was unsure, but I don't think it should be considered scummy.

You defended him, then you voted him.

tip: don't have will defend you, he only votes you later on.

[william18]

I believe Clive does seem scummy. It's not impossible that he did read dito's claim, and said that to act like a n00b and avoid being lynched.

But I think william is even scummier. Vote William

If william turns out to be scum, Clive is next.

How am I scummy? I voted clive, unvoted a day later, then voted back on him another day later. I was unsure, but I don't think it should be considered scummy.

You defended him, then you voted him.

tip: don't have will defend you, he only votes you later on.

Or vouch for you.

[william18]

I believe Clive does seem scummy. It's not impossible that he did read dito's claim, and said that to act like a n00b and avoid being lynched.

But I think william is even scummier. Vote William

If william turns out to be scum, Clive is next.

How am I scummy? I voted clive, unvoted a day later, then voted back on him another day later. I was unsure, but I don't think it should be considered scummy.

You defended him, then you voted him.

[militant]

I believe Clive does seem scummy. It's not impossible that he did read dito's claim, and said that to act like a n00b and avoid being lynched.

But I think william is even scummier. Vote William

If william turns out to be scum, Clive is next.

How am I scummy? I voted clive, unvoted a day later, then voted back on him another day later. I was unsure, but I don't think it should be considered scummy.

You defended him, then you voted him.

I think the thing about this is while you was unsure you posted a book about it, then when it did not look good you suddenly changed your mind and vote him. From writing what I just wrote it sounds like a backtracker, but I am not sure as to what is going on with you and Clive, so for the minute Fos: William18

[william18]

I believe Clive does seem scummy. It's not impossible that he did read dito's claim, and said that to act like a n00b and avoid being lynched.

But I think william is even scummier. Vote William

If william turns out to be scum, Clive is next.

How am I scummy? I voted clive, unvoted a day later, then voted back on him another day later. I was unsure, but I don't think it should be considered scummy.

You defended him, then you voted him.

I think the thing about this is while you was unsure you posted a book about it, then when it did not look good you suddenly changed your mind and vote him. From writing what I just wrote it sounds like a backtracker, but I am not sure as to what is going on with you and Clive, so for the minute Fos: William18

If I was a mafiaso trying to get Clive lynched I would have put my vote down and kept my mouth shut. Thats obvisouly not what I did. My actions couldn't possibly benifit me if I was scum.

[fireedud]

Actually they could, you tried to defend him as long as possible to avoid losing your scum buddy. And when your plan didn't work, you decided to vote him and act town, but you didn't do it effectively at all.

[william18]

Actually they could, you tried to defend him as long as possible to avoid losing your scum buddy. And when your plan didn't work, you decided to vote him and act town, but you didn't do it effectively at all.

Huh? Didn't we already prove that Clive was a survivor, and his lynch was on the concern of which side he would take. He couldn't be my scum buddy since he is a survivor. This is flawed logic.

[fireedud]

Actually they could, you tried to defend him as long as possible to avoid losing your scum buddy. And when your plan didn't work, you decided to vote him and act town, but you didn't do it effectively at all.

Huh? Didn't we already prove that Clive was a survivor, and his lynch was on the concern of which side he would take. He couldn't be my scum buddy since he is a survivor. This is flawed logic.

No, we only proved that Exile was a survivor. Clive can be any alignment.

[william18]

Actually they could, you tried to defend him as long as possible to avoid losing your scum buddy. And when your plan didn't work, you decided to vote him and act town, but you didn't do it effectively at all.

Huh? Didn't we already prove that Clive was a survivor, and his lynch was on the concern of which side he would take. He couldn't be my scum buddy since he is a survivor. This is flawed logic.

No, we only proved that Exile was a survivor. Clive can be any alignment.

What are the odds of that? Im pretty sure Dito has proved that he is most likely a survivor. If you beleive that Clive is scum, why arn't you voting him?

[fireedud]

Actually they could, you tried to defend him as long as possible to avoid losing your scum buddy. And when your plan didn't work, you decided to vote him and act town, but you didn't do it effectively at all.

Huh? Didn't we already prove that Clive was a survivor, and his lynch was on the concern of which side he would take. He couldn't be my scum buddy since he is a survivor. This is flawed logic.

No, we only proved that Exile was a survivor. Clive can be any alignment.

What are the odds of that? Im pretty sure Dito has proved that he is most likely a survivor. If you beleive that Clive is scum, why arn't you voting him?

that doesn't mean it's definite. Also, I'm not voting him, because I'd rather have a scumariner rather than one that confuses townies.

[william18]

Actually they could, you tried to defend him as long as possible to avoid losing your scum buddy. And when your plan didn't work, you decided to vote him and act town, but you didn't do it effectively at all.

Huh? Didn't we already prove that Clive was a survivor, and his lynch was on the concern of which side he would take. He couldn't be my scum buddy since he is a survivor. This is flawed logic.

No, we only proved that Exile was a survivor. Clive can be any alignment.

What are the odds of that? Im pretty sure Dito has proved that he is most likely a survivor. If you beleive that Clive is scum, why arn't you voting him?

that doesn't mean it's definite. Also, I'm not voting him, because I'd rather have a scumariner rather than one that confuses townies.

Im not confusing anyone your just thinking too hard. Just because I was unsure of my vote doesn't mean it has some magical hidden code behind it that we have to decipher. Once people get into this mentality their just on the road to getting a townie lynched do to over examination.

[Skittles!]

Dammit. vote william.

William, your defence of Clive and then subsequent voting of him makes us [well, the people that are voting you] think that he is your scum buddy, where your plan didn't work out as people were still onto Clive.. We are not sure if Clive is a survivor. There is only his word, which could be a fake claim for all we know.

[kwanton]

All negetive outcomes if the scum killed exile.

1. Waste their kill on someone thats barley a threat
2. Killing exile would stop the Dito Exile argument, and suscpiscion might befall them.
3. Exile or Dito could easily be the day three lynch if their argument was still going on(which wouldve happened if they both survived.

I see no postives for the mafia, so they probably didn't do it(unless it's a noob mafia team).

Um no. There really wasn't any legitimate suspicion on anyone else. So unless dito/clive is mafia there was no suspicion on a mafia member. There was no reason for mafia to think that any suspicion would befall them (#2) unless there was an investigation of some kind. And if there was an investigation that would be enough to debunk the dito/ex suspicions. Now for #1....who would you say is more of a threat? No one else was revealed yet. And you can't just look at roles in this situation, there are certain players who are always a threat. Exile is one of the people in this game who could have survived a bandwagon on him. And with a claim, if he convinced us he was telling the truth (and he probably could) he would not be lynched. If it was mafia then it was smart of them to take out a non-power claimed role when they can. As for number 3, is dito/clive still not an easy day3 lynch? Kill one off at night and let town lynch the other. BAM! 2 non-mafia deaths.

The point is that it's most likely a vig did that kill. Clive/Dito would have survived today if he didn''t mess up. Are you trying to point out other alternatives to justify the uncovering of a vig?

Um no. The actual point is there are several holes in your logic which was what I was trying to point out. It's all speculation at this point and you were making your arguments as if they were infallible.

This far in the game how many scum have we caught? Zero. Im pretty sure a survivor knows what side they want to be on at this point of the game.

Um no. Check the dead list. 1 green (green is usually town). 2 red (red is usually scum). 1 orange (orange is usually third party). So we've actually "caught" more scum than anything else at this point. (yes I'm assuming that infiltrators are really scum and not just the outcome of some ridiculous role. Criticize me for that, but come up with concrete evidence to prove otherwise.)

And to everyone who's hopping on william, the reason we have to suffer through no lynches is we keep changing bandwagons. We should just stick to our guns on one person unless an acceptable defense is put for by them (not another player). right now I'm sticking with Clive unless he convinces me to do otherwise. I think regardless of what Clive turns out to be, we should up the pressure on wiliam tomorrow. He has shown a stunning display of vote hopping and backtracking that I can't let go with good conscience.

[Skittles!]

The thing is, I don't think Clive is going to give a defence. When was the last time he posted?

[Skoffin]

Vote Count:

Clive ======= (Kwan, Danoduke, F1fth, Nag, Sam, LSU, Mando, ani, Sierra, Pancake, Nark, Innervision, Will) (13)
William18 == (Skittles) (1)

With 27 alive, it takes 14 to lynch.

[nagerous]

someone hammer.

[Skittles!]

someone hammer.

Your face in.

[fireedud]

Vote CLive

[Skoffin]

Vote Count:

Clive ======= (Kwan, Danoduke, F1fth, Nag, Sam, LSU, Mando, ani, Sierra, Pancake, Nark, Innervision, Will, Fireedud) (14)
William18 == (Skittles) (1)

With 27 alive, it takes 14 to lynch.


.....and that's a lynch. I won't be able to do the scene untill tomorrow afternoon however. Consider this twilight.

[pancakemix]

someone hammer.

Your face in.

I'm sigging this.

[william18]

ok during the night I suggest no vig attack me. If your stupid enough to disobey this im not responsible.

[animorpherv1]

ok during the night I suggest no vig attack me. If your stupid enough to disobey this im not responsible.

Your not helping yourself any will.