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jgordon1111 wrote:Now I think I have a pretty good grasp. Jak you keep backing VIO, because of her Win condition First lie. Jak you claim to have mis voted second Lie.
Nice try on the win condition Vio but incorrect for either humans or angels.
Outrageous I am inclined to believe vodean just because of the damn claim. and I have said since day one Cult,by reading my role there can only be a cult style play going on.
Back to Jak. D1 I told you I would be there if you slipped. What worried me is you gave up your info way to easy. That is something you have never done before to my knowledge. You are not just a vote stealer jak,you were in on the kill last night. And constantly trying to clear Vio who got the win condition wrong is your worst mistake of all.
Vote Jak to many inconsitincies in what you have said and what you are doing.
samgrossy wrote:For everyone, I am quickly finding out that the biggest advantage that mafia has is they get to plan and talk things over privately then act together as a unit. The more the town acts as a unit the more likely we are to win. That's why I think the fact that we have developed a workable plan is going to get us further than if we all act independently.
Well this is quite a serious accusation. Despite the fact that I agree it's odd he clears vio I wonder how you seem to be aware of both the human and the angel win condition, and also somehow tracked Jak. I'm going to wait for a reply from Jak though, because this should get interesting.jgordon1111 wrote:Now I think I have a pretty good grasp. Jak you keep backing VIO, because of her Win condition First lie. Jak you claim to have mis voted second Lie.
Nice try on the win condition Vio but incorrect for either humans or angels.
Outrageous I am inclined to believe vodean just because of the damn claim. and I have said since day one Cult,by reading my role there can only be a cult style play going on.
Back to Jak. D1 I told you I would be there if you slipped. What worried me is you gave up your info way to easy. That is something you have never done before to my knowledge. You are not just a vote stealer jak,you were in on the kill last night. And constantly trying to clear Vio who got the win condition wrong is your worst mistake of all.
Vote Jak to many inconsitincies in what you have said and what you are doing.
jak111 wrote:For similar reasons why the Aage case is good for tomorrow. You have outed yourself as 100% not angel and if you are a saint as well, I do not understand yourvodean wrote:thats a fantastic case you have against me. i can feel the noose tightening around my neck. please, someone present a real case. like my earlier cases against jak, or against spiesr.
"real cases" against me earlier. If you are a saint you should know EXACTLY why I messed up earlier D2. If you were a saint you'd have the decency to CLAIM your person at the very least without this stalling. Or are you afraid? You're among the wagon that had 4 non towns in it, so if you were a saint, you'd claim in hopes to help town instead of hindering it by not giving it hindsight to the imposing lynch.
jgordon1111 wrote:Now I think I have a pretty good grasp. Jak you keep backing VIO, because of her Win condition First lie. Jak you claim to have mis voted second Lie.
Nice try on the win condition Vio but incorrect for either humans or angels.
Outrageous I am inclined to believe vodean just because of the damn claim. and I have said since day one Cult,by reading my role there can only be a cult style play going on.
Back to Jak. D1 I told you I would be there if you slipped. What worried me is you gave up your info way to easy. That is something you have never done before to my knowledge. You are not just a vote stealer jak,you were in on the kill last night. And constantly trying to clear Vio who got the win condition wrong is your worst mistake of all.
Vote Jak to many inconsitincies in what you have said and what you are doing.
well that OMGUS was totally unexpected. If they're not with you they're your enemy, amirite?jak111 wrote:Now for JG's post. I believe we have found a SECOND non town.
About that. I am really trying to believe that you are who you say you are, because most evidence points to town, but I have a hard time believing that Edoc would let you target someone who's not in this game. Didn't he warn you or anything? I mean, the night was only friggin' five days long. I know I would have warned if I were mod.jak wrote:JG, you say I was in on the killing last night. If you are going to accuse me of something like that, I suggest you claim. This is another reason why I know you are not town, town would not try to kill off town with a fake claim. If you were a town tracker, you wouldn't have me on the dead. You wouldn't have me on anyone because I targeted someone not in the game, hence I do not have my stolen vote with me.
aage wrote:I still don't know what jg means with the 'misvoting', but I'd like to respond to something Jak said. But I can't resist mentioning thatwell that OMGUS was totally unexpected. If they're not with you they're your enemy, amirite?jak111 wrote:Now for JG's post. I believe we have found a SECOND non town.About that. I am really trying to believe that you are who you say you are, because most evidence points to town, but I have a hard time believing that Edoc would let you target someone who's not in this game. Didn't he warn you or anything? I mean, the night was only friggin' five days long. I know I would have warned if I were mod.jak wrote:JG, you say I was in on the killing last night. If you are going to accuse me of something like that, I suggest you claim. This is another reason why I know you are not town, town would not try to kill off town with a fake claim. If you were a town tracker, you wouldn't have me on the dead. You wouldn't have me on anyone because I targeted someone not in the game, hence I do not have my stolen vote with me.
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
VioIet wrote:vodean wrote:i never said outright that it was an active role. I am Paul of the cross, 3rd party commuter.
I realize that you may not want to keep me around, but my role also has a cryptic section about how St. Paul's following may provide me with information about some of the kills if certain things happen or something like that (again, very vague). the only info i got last night was that last night's kill was by the mafia.... im guessing that since St. Paul's following grew over time that my info will slowly get better.
Commuter is often a fake-claim. Doing a bit of bad meta here, but the commuter role has appeared 3 times in my past games, and all three times they were a fake-claim. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not.
But even if Vodean is telling the truth, I don't see this as a role really worth saving.
I do like the case on aage, and I believe it's worth exploring tomorrow.
Unvote
Vote Vodean
strike wolf wrote:Interesting. I believe I know what LG's claim is. I will let him state it himself.
jgordon1111 wrote:strike wolf wrote:Interesting. I believe I know what LG's claim is. I will let him state it himself.
Waiting to see what jak comes up with next before I say a word. D1 I pretty much outted my alignment and the strong possibility of cult play.
He now most likely knows my role,he threw another one out to test the water in case more than one person was on him I believe,he needs to figure which one of three I am. Odds are good you will guess right Jak.
Lets hear what you have now.
jak111 wrote:jgordon1111 wrote:strike wolf wrote:Interesting. I believe I know what LG's claim is. I will let him state it himself.
Waiting to see what jak comes up with next before I say a word. D1 I pretty much outted my alignment and the strong possibility of cult play.
He now most likely knows my role,he threw another one out to test the water in case more than one person was on him I believe,he needs to figure which one of three I am. Odds are good you will guess right Jak.
Lets hear what you have now.
Simple, you are mafia. Thank you for confirming it with me, if you were town and had any power you'd know me to be town, but since you are not town it tells me why you are trying to push this.
I'll be blunt because I know you're not town, whatever three you're talking about I have no clue, but I do know that you are not town aligned.
So claim away JG, which mafia role are you? Framer? Roleblocker? Busdriver? Silencer? What?
vodean wrote:so what you are saying is that you think everyone who is pressuring you is mafia, and that vio, who is supporting you, must be town. and essentially, we are evil demons who raped your sister and stalked you for 5 years. ok, yomiel. i confess. im scum.
jak111 wrote:vodean wrote:so what you are saying is that you think everyone who is pressuring you is mafia, and that vio, who is supporting you, must be town. and essentially, we are evil demons who raped your sister and stalked you for 5 years. ok, yomiel. i confess. im scum.
Check again, I know JG is not town for the simple reason that I know myself town. So for him to say his role says otherwise, I'd know to be a lie. Hence, me calling him out on it.
jak111 wrote:vodean wrote:so what you are saying is that you think everyone who is pressuring you is mafia, and that vio, who is supporting you, must be town. and essentially, we are evil demons who raped your sister and stalked you for 5 years. ok, yomiel. i confess. im scum.
Check again, I know JG is not town for the simple reason that I know myself town. So for him to say his role says otherwise, I'd know to be a lie. Hence, me calling him out on it.
safariguy5 wrote:This is interesting. I must have missed what strike picked up on. From a flavor perspective, if Vio can find Angels, and there are indeed 7, then it's a role with some utility. The kicker is that outing those people as angels is basically painting a big bullseye on their back.
And vodean, for you to say that you've seen/used commuters before is not indicative of your claim being any truer. By the same token Vio, correlation does not equal causation and just because commuter was a fakeclaim doesn't mean it's necessarily a fakeclaim this time too.
I'd like to see where this jak/jgordon thing goes, but if vodean is claiming a third party role, I'd be fine with the "safer" lynch and cross someone off the list now.
vodean wrote:thats circular logic. you say that you are town because JG is scum which you know because you are town.
LOL jak you were made to use your role last night
jak111 wrote:See, this is the problem. Without any investigative role I can't do anything more than be blunt about this. JG is scum, hoping to get me out of the way (although what will you gain? You'll be dead tomorrow when I flip town). Whichever of JG or Vodean survives the day, the survivor wont be using their scum vote tomorrow, I can promise that much.
Again, the attack is made against me that I'm protecting Vio just because she claimed. She's the first to state why I was confused and exactly what it was that made me confused about it. Now she is further cleared in my eyes with 2 non towns being found and only 2 more remaining on the wagon from yesterday.
Another thing I love is that people are now sheeping JG when he wont confirm his role. Afraid of a role counter claim? If you claim Tracker I know you're wrong and if you claim anything else you're either insane or crazy.
I can't use a second vote because EVERYONE has their vote because I targeted the wrong person. I'll prove it, I told Edoc to put my second vote up with my forum vote unless I specifically ask for him not to.
Vote Vodean With any apparent second vote I have.
You wont see a ??? vote because I targeted the wrong person last night.LOL jak you were made to use your role last night
Now please, direct your attention to the big bold word in the quote above and then reread it with that one word in mind. Who made me? Did you make me? This quote plus the few words after it are evidence that he knows something that I do not know myself.
So I suggest you start claiming JG. Your role is not confirmed and I hate to tell Aage this, but he has a wrong read on you. Your 'soft claiming' is of two different things right now. One is tracker where you tracked me to the killed (which I know is wrong). The second is where you KNOW I was FORCED to use my role last night. Which I know isn't true as well otherwise I'd have been told so, which I wasn't.
Claim your role and quit wasting my time. Because there's only two options at the moment.
1.) You're scum.
2.) You're a townie with wrong info, which I can only examine if you claim what you saw and what you are.
I'd hate to lynch a fellow town just because he was out right wrong against me.
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