A new map by DiM. looking for a name. V3-page 6. xml done

[Herakilla]

[benjikat]

actually you got it wrong.

with very little effort (clicking the mouse twice) you end up with lot's of points. just like the lottery. basically that's what this is. if you have the chance of going first then you win. simple as that.

even worse than I thought then

DiM please concentrate on your other ideas - they are bound to be better than this

imagine you're at 2497 points and need to leave to work in 3 minutes. quickly join one of these and if you're lucky you're a major

And if you're unlucky you have 100 pts to make up again - crazy.

Only low ranked players would ever bother with this "map".

[Herakilla]

im not exactly low ranked and i would bother with it!

[DiM]

imagine you're at 2497 points and need to leave to work in 3 minutes. quickly join one of these and if you're lucky you're a major

And if you're unlucky you have 100 pts to make up again - crazy.

Only low ranked players would ever bother with this "map".

not really 100 points.

it's like this. in a 6p game with similar ranks you have a chance of 16.66% of going first and thus winning the game. you bet 20 points and can win 5 times more. if you're lucky you join such a game. and in 2 minutes you have 100 more points. if you're unlucky you have 20 less.

i would surely try this.

[benjikat]

in a 6p game with similar ranks

Therein lies the problem - try finding 5 other captains / majors for your game of roulette

[yeti_c]

Few suggestions

a) Leave this here - walk away...
b) DELETE DELETE DELETE!!!

yeah yeah i know you've hated the idea eversince i pmed you about it some time ago.

Anyways...

A better wheel of fortune could be based on the TV series...

Lots of territores (say about 60) and each square has a territory bonus on it (i.e. bankrupt (-100) and loads a money = +40)... etc...

Still be bloody random... but wouldn't be as lucky as this!!?!

C.

no really. imagine an unlucky bastard starts with a -100 terit. what will he do? he can't deploy anything and with the few troops he gets from the start he's bound to be eliminated fast

Crucial word missing from your reading...

"Territory" bonus...

C.

PS I'm with Mibi...

yeah terit bonus. so if i start with the bankruptcy terit i get -100. right?

On that territory...

C.

[DiM]

in a 6p game with similar ranks

Therein lies the problem - try finding 5 other captains / majors for your game of roulette

are you sure out of 350 something captains or higher i won't find 5 others to join me?

if i don't then at least 1 i'll find and i have 50% chance of doubleing my bet in a 1v1 game.

and to be honest i'm not making this map for captains or majors they're just below 2% of the total number of players. i'm doing it for all the people in CC. and considering the fact that most of the people have 1200 points or less i'm pretty sure many won't resist the chance of getting a couple of hundred lucky points.

i'm telling you i wasn't sure that AoM will be liked and i'm not sure that AoR will have the success of AoM but i am willing to bet that this map will have much more games than AoM + AoR put together.

[DiM]

Few suggestions

a) Leave this here - walk away...
b) DELETE DELETE DELETE!!!

yeah yeah i know you've hated the idea eversince i pmed you about it some time ago.

Anyways...

A better wheel of fortune could be based on the TV series...

Lots of territores (say about 60) and each square has a territory bonus on it (i.e. bankrupt (-100) and loads a money = +40)... etc...

Still be bloody random... but wouldn't be as lucky as this!!?!

C.

no really. imagine an unlucky bastard starts with a -100 terit. what will he do? he can't deploy anything and with the few troops he gets from the start he's bound to be eliminated fast

Crucial word missing from your reading...

"Territory" bonus...

C.

PS I'm with Mibi...

yeah terit bonus. so if i start with the bankruptcy terit i get -100. right?

On that territory...

C.

ah i get it.

[rebelman]

yep it was #4 in that poll.

i know it needs a lot of work but i'm willing to do it

excellent im on a winning streak today - should win the lotto tonight no bother now

[DiM]

yep it was #4 in that poll.

i know it needs a lot of work but i'm willing to do it

excellent im on a winning streak today - should win the lotto tonight no bother now

you had 25% chances of guessing that. not bad. and yes i know #4 didn't win the poll but as i said earlier this was the easiest project that's why i started it.

PS: i'm gonna go out for dinner in a few minutes and when i get back i'll start work on the xml. we'll have this quenched by tomorrow

[rebelman]

PS: i'm gonna go out for dinner in a few minutes and when i get back i'll start work on the xml. we'll have this quenched by tomorrow

feck i better make my serious points so before you quench

[mibi]

you can still choose, if players want to gamble they do this and if they want to pit strategic wits against each other they play any other map

gamble? wtf? I think you need to find a different site if you want to gamble, there are plenty out there.

In my opinion, this map is one step in turning CC into a gas station with a slot machine.

Bottomline, let points be earned, not won or lost at the CC casino. thats lame.

[pepperonibread]

I wonder who's gonna be the first person to go on the forums staying that they lost after going first...

[Clive]

you can still choose, if players want to gamble they do this and if they want to pit strategic wits against each other they play any other map

gamble? wtf? I think you need to find a different site if you want to gamble, there are plenty out there.

In my opinion, this map is one step in turning CC into a gas station with a slot machine.

Bottomline, let points be earned, not won or lost at the CC casino. thats lame.

^^ yeah...poor idea DiM...like your others but this is just silly...

[Chirondom]

In a freestyle game, there would be no luck involved. In fact, I couldn't see anyone joining this as a freestyle game, except if they would bee the last person. That would be crazy, though.

[WidowMakers]

There were too many other people who I agree with to quote. So I won't.

This is not a map. It is stupid.

STOP

[Syzygy]

People don't want pure luck, they want strategy too.

A definite no.

[militant]

There were too many other people who I agree with to quote. So I won't.

This is not a map. It is stupid.

STOP

Ever heard of constructive criticism.
It is a fun idea, although i agree with mibi, this site is not about gambling.

[DiM]

ok enough of the "this is stupid" comments or "this is a step backwards" ones. please give me some clear indications as to why you think that.

the only fair comment so far is this:

People don't want pure luck, they want strategy too.

A definite no.

yes people want strategy and i totally agree but also people want luck involved. i'm willing to bet i can find at least a few hundred people that are willing to play on such a map. if i can't do that then i'll quit map making. i'm actually rather confident in my ability to feel the people's needs. all of you know i make niche maps. i don't do classic style ones. all my creations are targeted to a certain segment, be it a segment of people that are bored by the classic way of playing, be it a segment of those that want a map with lots and lots of strategy involved and now it's about a segment of people that want the chance to win/lose points really fast.

and just to show you how confident i am of this i'm putting this on the table. if i can get a few hundred people to say that they'd play such a map then all the map makers that posted in this thread will quit map making and all the other people will stop visiting the foundry. if i can't do it then i will quit map making and stop visiting the foundry.

if you are so convinced of what you say then i want you to step up and accept the bet. are you really that sure that people won't play such a map? are you really so confident in your beliefs that you're willing to take this bet? please say it.

if you're not that confident to accept the bet then please stop posting meaningless things and give proper feedback. if you can't give proper feedback then stay out of the thread.

[edbeard]

I'm sure you will find a lot of people that will play this map, but I'm not sure that is a good thing.

Honestly I'm not fond of this or that egg idea either.

Doodle Earth is one thing. It's still conquer club though (well at least very close to it).

These maps are just gambling. There is the strategy of should I attack, or should I let others attack first. But, honestly this will come down to luck of the dice 90% of the time.

Conquer Club is about strategy and having fun. Points are just a byproduct. I don't want to see a map that, in my opinion, is solely based on points.

A lot of people will play it. Point grabbers. I don't think that's a good thing. Earning points is what matters.

I remember how you stopped unfair freestyle point gaining tactics in 1v1 games. You might not have done it in a way that everyone liked or thought was proper, but nobody can use these tactics again to get points. To me, this map goes against what that person did. Conquer Club is about fun and strategy not about gambling for points.

[Telvannia]

hate to be a thorn in your side, but you yourself said that getting people to say they liek a map is meaningless, (view crossword 2 thread for quotes) Therefore the bet on 100 people is meaningless, if i could be asked i could get 100 people to say anything about any map.
Therefore the bet is pointless, and will serve nobody, it is like polls on maps, people will vote yes if they are not too sure which one to go for.


Back to the map.
I agree this is strategyless map, but me personally i love the idea of quick points. Though i dont think i would play this much, probably just once or twice for a laugh.

[RjBeals]

I don't mind the idea. I'm sure I would play it every once in a while. I love to gamble

Sure it's not a real "CC" style map, but DiM is one for breaking the rules. There's many other maps I don't play anymore. I say there's place in the game boards for this. My vote is to keep going on this.

[Telvannia]

one more thought.

You will have to make this without the forum and pm it to lack when you have finished.

Because it is against the forum guidelines to have anything that would create gambling on CC

Betting or gambling on, through, or because of CC;

You are screwed DiM if you post about this map anymore you will get banned, i will report you

[DiM]

I'm sure you will find a lot of people that will play this map, but I'm not sure that is a good thing.

Honestly I'm not fond of this or that egg idea either.

Doodle Earth is one thing. It's still conquer club though (well at least very close to it).

These maps are just gambling. There is the strategy of should I attack, or should I let others attack first. But, honestly this will come down to luck of the dice 90% of the time.

Conquer Club is about strategy and having fun. Points are just a byproduct. I don't want to see a map that, in my opinion, is solely based on points.

A lot of people will play it. Point grabbers. I don't think that's a good thing. Earning points is what matters.

I remember how you stopped unfair freestyle point gaining tactics in 1v1 games. You might not have done it in a way that everyone liked or thought was proper, but nobody can use these tactics again to get points. To me, this map goes against what that person did. Conquer Club is about fun and strategy not about gambling for points.

ok so if a map has a lot of potential players (as you said above) then why not make it?

conquerclub is about having fun together with other people. it's not about who gains most points who is the best strategist or who has won the battle royale. if a lot of people would find this map fun then why not let them have it?

doodle earth is a map i will not play unless in certain circumstances (players with score bigger than mine) adjacent fortif and no cards. why? simply because doodle earth is a lottery if it's played with unlimited fortif and cards. basically the guy that gets a mixed set from the first 3 rounds is the winner even if he has no clue about strategy. there's too much luck involved in that map for my taste to risk playing it without special measures. lots and lots of people kept saying doodle earth is crap or that it is a step backwards or that a shitty map like that should not be quenched and yet it is the biggest success ever. bigger than world 2.1 go figure. people actually play the map that the foundry said it's crap.

if anybody is interested search for my posts in the doodle thread. i always encouraged it's quenching despite the fact that i was sure i would not play it much.

a 1v1 flat rate sequential unlimited fortif game on doodle earth is almost as much gambling as this map would be. believe me i've played such a game and despite being down to ~2-3 troops i got a mixed set from the first 3 cards and won the game. no tactics no skill. just luck.
this map simply takes that idea to a whole new level.
people WILL play it. as i said i'm willing to bet on it.


edit// and the freestyle and the terminator abuses where just that abuses to get points. this map can't be used to abuse anything. you're either lucky or you aren't.

[DiM]

hate to be a thorn in your side, but you yourself said that getting people to say they liek a map is meaningless, (view crossword 2 thread for quotes) Therefore the bet on 100 people is meaningless, if i could be asked i could get 100 people to say anything about any map.
Therefore the bet is pointless, and will serve nobody, it is like polls on maps, people will vote yes if they are not too sure which one to go for.


Back to the map.
I agree this is strategyless map, but me personally i love the idea of quick points. Though i dont think i would play this much, probably just once or twice for a laugh.

the crossword thing is different because the crossword map is already in play and the fact that it's the least played map of all kinda explains everything.

and regarding the bet, i'm not talking about a poll but rather about conducting a market study via pm on a large enough sample of people to reflect if people would play such a map.