Food Chain

[john9blue]

Good, but why is it just sea animals? There should be a land animal section or something, maybe combine the two?

Actually, my first idea for this map was called "King of the Jungle". I decided on the ocean because it would make the graphics much, much easier, and because land ecosystems can get really complicated sometimes, and I wanted something simple like Circus Maximus. In the ocean you get things like Orcas that eat damn near everything and it makes things a lot easier.

[lgoasklucyl]

Good, but why is it just sea animals? There should be a land animal section or something, maybe combine the two?

Actually, my first idea for this map was called "King of the Jungle". I decided on the ocean because it would make the graphics much, much easier, and because land ecosystems can get really complicated sometimes, and I wanted something simple like Circus Maximus. In the ocean you get things like Orcas that eat damn near everything and it makes things a lot easier.

I smell a MAP PACK!!!!!!

[miniwally]

Good, but why is it just sea animals? There should be a land animal section or something, maybe combine the two?

Actually, my first idea for this map was called "King of the Jungle". I decided on the ocean because it would make the graphics much, much easier, and because land ecosystems can get really complicated sometimes, and I wanted something simple like Circus Maximus. In the ocean you get things like Orcas that eat damn near everything and it makes things a lot easier.

I smell a MAP PACK!!!!!!

cool what does it smell like

[porkenbeans]

Get a whiff of this.

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[miniwally]

Get a whiff of this.

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pork always has to show off don't you

[porkenbeans]

HaHaHa, I am flattered. It is very nice to be appreciated. Like I said, I am learning more each day, and it shows even when you compare today, to stuff that I was doing only 2 weeks ago. Man I wished they they had photoshop when I was young. It's a blast!

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[miniwally]

HaHaHa, I am flattered. It is very nice to be appreciated. Like I said, I am learning more each day, and it shows even when you compare today, to stuff that I was doing only 2 weeks ago. Man I wished they they had photoshop when I was young. It's a blast!

isn't it

[john9blue]

Get a whiff of this.

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Aww yeah. I'd whiff that.

See if you can place some of the pics I put up, resize them, and put arrows between them, so we can get an idea of how the map would actually look. I guess if it looks good enough I can have you do the graphics. Speaking of which, aren't you supposed to be doing Palau? DO WORK SON!

[miniwally]

Get a whiff of this.

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Aww yeah. I'd whiff that.

See if you can place some of the pics I put up, resize them, and put arrows between them, so we can get an idea of how the map would actually look. I guess if it looks good enough I can have you do the graphics. Speaking of which, aren't you supposed to be doing Palau? DO WORK SON!

Palau, World Map, Blue Marble ah he's got loads to be doing

[Natewolfman]

I like it J9B

here is an idea, you have the whole food chain, awesome, but every once in a while, throw in something that dosnt fit in, like in real life. I cant think of any examples, but a creature who has no natural enemies, yet does not use the same typical food chain? It can have a special like bombard everything but a reset to neutrals each turn or something of that nature. Once again, too tired to think of any specific examples, but they are out there

[john9blue]

You mean like this?

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I couldn't resist... sorry....

[porkenbeans]

Steve Erwin, What a wonderful, pleasant bloke he was. ...I miss him.

[sailorseal]

You mean like this?

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I couldn't resist... sorry....

I am honestly offended by this image he was a great man

[john9blue]

I am honestly offended by this image he was a great man

Hey, I was just messing around... Steve Irwin was awesome.

On a less offensive note, Nate, I thought about putting humans in there. Being able to bombard any fish... it would be nice, but probably make the game over-centralized.

[Joodoo]

needs way more territories, I suggest putting a variety of sharks or whales as "almost" the top of the food chain, then maybe you have a large fishing vessel that can bombard some territories...

[ustus]

ok, i realize it might possibly work just fine, but ... two suggestions of bombardment in a thread about a food chain?? there's nothing about a food chain that suggests bombardment...

It could work for the map, though i personally wouldn't play it with bombardment. your call.. i just had to point out that the idea seems to have come from thin air.

[porkenbeans]

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a little more work on the food chain.

[john9blue]

needs way more territories, I suggest putting a variety of sharks or whales as "almost" the top of the food chain, then maybe you have a large fishing vessel that can bombard some territories...

It's got as many starting territories as Circus Maximus, with roughly the same format.

ok, i realize it might possibly work just fine, but ... two suggestions of bombardment in a thread about a food chain?? there's nothing about a food chain that suggests bombardment...

It could work for the map, though i personally wouldn't play it with bombardment. your call.. i just had to point out that the idea seems to have come from thin air.

I tend to agree, I'm not really for the idea of bombardment.

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a little more work on the food chain.

Lol at all the random stuff. Since the coral/anemone/jellyfish/sponge are going to be at the bottom, the top predators will be at the top, and Decomposition will probably just be an arrow going up the side of the map. Let me know if you want to take on this project, pork, because I'll probably get to work on the graphics next week.

[porkenbeans]

I can see over 60 territories as it stands now.

[john9blue]

I can see over 60 territories as it stands now.

I can't see there being any more than 42. I can duplicate some of the species (Tiger Shark & Great White, Squid & Cuttlefish, etc.), and have them overlap, but it's going to be next to impossible to get 60 in the small version with any clarity.

Also, the bonuses should probably apply to sections of each food chain. Like, a 3 link chain gets +1, a 4 link chain gets +3, and a 5 link chain gets +5.

[porkenbeans]

What do you think about this idea, click map.

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You can have 3-5 color levels. each representing a link in the chain.
So your top predators will have red designations for example.
A player must have all the animal in possession before he is allowed to attack another animal.
Animals can only attack from their heads, and only attack the tails of its prey.
Animals can only attack animals below themselves on the food chain. Or maybe equal to, or below.

Here is a thought about the bottom of the food chain. Since the top predictors have no one that can attack them, the bottom scavengers clean up their remains when they die.
So therefor, the bottom of he chain can only bombard. They get to bombard any animal so long as they start at the tail and work their way to the head.
Bonuses can go for each complete animal, and also for owning a completed link.

I would like to still add 3-5 more animals at least.

[john9blue]

A player must have all the animal in possession before he is allowed to attack another animal.

I don't believe our current XML allows for that...

Animals can only attack from their heads, and only attack the tails of its prey.

The thought of dividing each animal into "parts" doesn't seem especially realistic/appealing/necessary for gameplay.

Animals can only attack animals below themselves on the food chain. Or maybe equal to, or below.

Certainly not equal to, but definitely below.

Here's the problem, though. Just because one animal has a higher trophic level than another animal doesn't mean that it eats it. If you let any animal attack any other animal below it, the map loses both coherence and realism.

Here is a thought about the bottom of the food chain. Since the top predictors have no one that can attack them, the bottom scavengers clean up their remains when they die.
So therefor, the bottom of he chain can only bombard. They get to bombard any animal so long as they start at the tail and work their way to the head.
Bonuses can go for each complete animal, and also for owning a completed link.

So how would you fortify troops off of a top predator?

[porkenbeans]

The animals = countries. Even the different colored coral = countries.
The letters = territory's
Fortifying should not be any different than regular. so long as you can chain it up.

As it stands now, there are about 20 countries. Each containing 2-6 territories. I would like to add 2 or 3 more countries. so this could be an 80-100 or more, territory map.
With so many countries most would be small bonuses. But they could add up pretty quick. Especially when you consider the added bonus of completing up a link. That is where the big bonuses kick in.

Also, The color code and letters eliminates the need for attack routes plastered all over the place. on each country, A connects to b. b to c. and so on.
Like in real life, a preditor can attack any of its prey. So it should be no different here. A shark can attack anything, anywhere, so long as the prey is below it on the food chain. Again eliminating lines all over the place to connect up territories.
The only new code would be that a country has to be owned before it can attack outside of its borders. I heard somewhere from a mod that "fog of war" was implemented because some mapmakers had some out of the box thinking going on. This is no different. Just another"option" that may or may not have merit. I think that it could actually be played on most maps. What would be a good name for this option

[ustus]

A player must have all the animal in possession before he is allowed to attack another animal.

I don't believe our current XML allows for that...

Animals can only attack from their heads, and only attack the tails of its prey.

The thought of dividing each animal into "parts" doesn't seem especially realistic/appealing/necessary for gameplay.
i certainly agree with John here

Animals can only attack animals below themselves on the food chain. Or maybe equal to, or below.

Certainly not equal to, but definitely below.

Here's the problem, though. Just because one animal has a higher trophic level than another animal doesn't mean that it eats it. If you let any animal attack any other animal below it, the map loses both coherence and realism.

and here's my problem with your suggestion, pork. What drew me to this map thread in the first place was the idea that you could attack whatever the animal you currently hold eats. Or vice versa. i thought this would make a really interesting map. you sugg, though it might work fine as a map, is a deviation from this principal behind the map John has going here.

Here is a thought about the bottom of the food chain. Since the top predictors have no one that can attack them, the bottom scavengers clean up their remains when they die.
So therefor, the bottom of he chain can only bombard. They get to bombard any animal so long as they start at the tail and work their way to the head.
Bonuses can go for each complete animal, and also for owning a completed link.

So how would you fortify troops off of a top predator?

Personally, i like what John had going before, except that Pork's version looks a little prettier. The red circles idea might need to stay for clarity's purpose, to make it easier to distinguish attack routes. I'll check in on this later, let me know if i've explained my thoughts clearly, i have class now...

[zimmah]

What do you think about this idea, click map.

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You can have 3-5 color levels. each representing a link in the chain.
So your top predators will have red designations for example.
A player must have all the animal in possession before he is allowed to attack another animal.
Animals can only attack from their heads, and only attack the tails of its prey.
Animals can only attack animals below themselves on the food chain. Or maybe equal to, or below.

Here is a thought about the bottom of the food chain. Since the top predictors have no one that can attack them, the bottom scavengers clean up their remains when they die.
So therefor, the bottom of he chain can only bombard. They get to bombard any animal so long as they start at the tail and work their way to the head.
Bonuses can go for each complete animal, and also for owning a completed link.

I would like to still add 3-5 more animals at least.

i like the idea but, but you have to edit it a little, some things are not possible in current XML.

i highlighted them red.