Football Match Map

[Sniper08]

bonus numbers will need to change and obviously graphics will aswell.

crowd goes all around stadium like this

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instead of hold bench plus crowd how about just hold the home crowd for +3 and the away crowd for +1 or 4 and 2.each bench gets +2 and all players on the bench can be attacked by their manager.

im also thinking (feel free to say no) of each corner flag as a separate territory.im not sure of who can attack it or who it can attack but i think it is another step in achieving the way a football match is played.

the names you have now like rdb (right defense blue) can be entitled RB (right back) ,you dont need to add the colour of the team into the name as it will be obvious what player is on what team( when we get to graphics forum mini team shirts can be a way to tell the teams apart)

have you decided to reject my previous suggestion about mid field?

maybe forwards can only attack central defenders , wingers can attack full backs ( the defenders on each wing) ,center mids can attack 1 forward and 1 defender and goalkeeper can bombard enemy in some places

i think what attacks what needs to be better defined in the legend such as it makes no mention of what the linesman can attack.

[40kguy]

bonus numbers will need to change and obviously graphics will aswell.

crowd goes all around stadium like this

,

instead of hold bench plus crowd how about just hold the home crowd for +3 and the away crowd for +1 or 4 and 2.each bench gets +2 and all players on the bench can be attacked by their manager.

im also thinking (feel free to say no) of each corner flag as a separate territory.im not sure of who can attack it or who it can attack but i think it is another step in achieving the way a football match is played.

the names you have now like rdb (right defense blue) can be entitled RB (right back) ,you dont need to add the colour of the team into the name as it will be obvious what player is on what team( when we get to graphics forum mini team shirts can be a way to tell the teams apart)

have you decided to reject my previous suggestion about mid field?

maybe forwards can only attack central defenders , wingers can attack full backs ( the defenders on each wing) ,center mids can attack 1 forward and 1 defender and goalkeeper can bombard enemy in some places

i think what attacks what needs to be better defined in the legend such as it makes no mention of what the linesman can attack.

I like all your ideas, but the corner flag. I can fine a way to put that into the game, if I can i will put it in.

where would the bench go if i have and all around stadium? I see what your saying, but I want to focus on the soccer field not the crowd. I'm not rejecting it tho, if i think the map is boring i will put it in. Still thinking on the attacks. Dont know how i want to do this im thinking maybe you have to attack the soccer ball to attack the different fielders. I like all your ideas tho, I want more thoughts then just yours and mine tho before my next draft.

--40kguy

[Victor Sullivan]

In all honesty, this map is kind of a fustercluck. The abbreviations are daunting, and the lack of physical connections between the colored circles presumed to be the football players makes things more difficult to make out. I realize this may sound harsh, but with a draft that's not very clear or intuitive, it just repels people from commenting. Try looking at what Lalloq did as a reference: viewtopic.php?f=63&t=138731&start=0#p3028280

-Sully

[murphy16]

I see you got a lot of help here 40k, I don't do much of the criticizing for the simple fact that I have no skills with the whole map making thing, but after reading all the posts, your headed in the right direction, and I'm ready to be one of the firsts to test it. Also with Victors comment, he is right, a little clustered and confusing, but like I said, keep up the good work mate and it will make it.

[natty dread]

Yep. Get rid of the blanket-connections (all of X attacks all of Y) and figure out actual individual connections between the players, then draw them on your map draft. This would be a start towards coherent gameplay.

[40kguy]

thanks for the tips guys.

[40kguy]

Click image to enlarge.

this dosent really show the attack routs perfectly, thats why i want to have the blanket attacks. In soccer there are so many options. So i want my map to have a lot of options

[Sniper08]

that just looks like a mess,i know you want to save the upgraded graphic for when we are in the graphics forum but an upgrade now would help a lot.

[natty dread]

Just reduce the attack routes to something simpler. A map that is too open is not good for gameplay, it provides too little options for strategy.

[ratdig04]

Am I missing something or does yellow only have 10 guys including the goalie?

[40kguy]

Am I missing something or does yellow only have 10 guys including the goalie?

I just realized that, left back.

[Sniper08]

why is there more subs on one bench? 5 subs should be on both bench's,

whats the black dots?i see no labeling on what they are.why arent the goalkeeper the same colour as their team?

i definitely think we need to rethink what can attack what cause as said by natty its way to open.change where the players are located and have a system of who can attack who,like for instance:left back blue can attack right mid field yellow and blue center back.

linesman 2 should not attack "subguys"(that name needs to change)he is on the other side of the pitch only the linesman on the sub side should be able to attack them.

as suggested for the next draft ,clean up the spelling mistakes and be more descriptive on what attacks what instead of say "all players attack midfield".also a renaming of the players needs to be done ,left defense(LD) is the wrong terminology left back (LB) is commonly referred to that position.it is the same for all defenders instead of CD it should be CB and RD becomes RB.also CD1 can be renamed Right center back (RCB).

[40kguy]

why is there more subs on one bench? 5 subs should be on both bench's,

whats the black dots?i see no labeling on what they are.why arent the goalkeeper the same colour as their team?

i definitely think we need to rethink what can attack what cause as said by natty its way to open.change where the players are located and have a system of who can attack who,like for instance:left back blue can attack right mid field yellow and blue center back.

linesman 2 should not attack "subguys"(that name needs to change)he is on the other side of the pitch only the linesman on the sub side should be able to attack them.

as suggested for the next draft ,clean up the spelling mistakes and be more descriptive on what attacks what instead of say "all players attack midfield".also a renaming of the players needs to be done ,left defense(LD) is the wrong terminology left back (LB) is commonly referred to that position.it is the same for all defenders instead of CD it should be CB and RD becomes RB.also CD1 can be renamed Right center back (RCB).

I need a little difference for the coding, im not doing it for the players, but for the codeing

goalies cant be the same color as there players. Thats a real rule in soccer! i made it the refs could attack the sub dude, because they have to say its ok for the players to come in. I suck at spelling so you need to specify the mistakes.

[Sniper08]

why is there more subs on one bench? 5 subs should be on both bench's,

whats the black dots?i see no labeling on what they are.why arent the goalkeeper the same colour as their team?

i definitely think we need to rethink what can attack what cause as said by natty its way to open.change where the players are located and have a system of who can attack who,like for instance:left back blue can attack right mid field yellow and blue center back.

linesman 2 should not attack "subguys"(that name needs to change)he is on the other side of the pitch only the linesman on the sub side should be able to attack them.

as suggested for the next draft ,clean up the spelling mistakes and be more descriptive on what attacks what instead of say "all players attack midfield".also a renaming of the players needs to be done ,left defense(LD) is the wrong terminology left back (LB) is commonly referred to that position.it is the same for all defenders instead of CD it should be CB and RD becomes RB.also CD1 can be renamed Right center back (RCB).

I need a little difference for the coding, im not doing it for the players, but for the codeing

goalies cant be the same color as there players. Thats a real rule in soccer! i made it the refs could attack the sub dude, because they have to say its ok for the players to come in. I suck at spelling so you need to specify the mistakes.

ok the goalkeepers cant be the same colour but the blue GK is the same colour as the refs,as for the linesman neither linesman have a say in whether the players come on,its the 4th official and the referee that say when subs can happen.

again why are the benches not even? sub guys should turn into the 4th official as he annoounces when the subs come on.

as for the spelling mistakes top left forwards is spelt with 1 r,bottom right you have misspelled defenders and opposite.

I need a little difference for the coding, im not doing it for the players, but for the codeing

is that referring to the players names?if it is then you not being right in what ppl call the players in the game doesnt go with the spirit of the map.

[40kguy]

why is there more subs on one bench? 5 subs should be on both bench's,

whats the black dots?i see no labeling on what they are.why arent the goalkeeper the same colour as their team?

i definitely think we need to rethink what can attack what cause as said by natty its way to open.change where the players are located and have a system of who can attack who,like for instance:left back blue can attack right mid field yellow and blue center back.

linesman 2 should not attack "subguys"(that name needs to change)he is on the other side of the pitch only the linesman on the sub side should be able to attack them.

as suggested for the next draft ,clean up the spelling mistakes and be more descriptive on what attacks what instead of say "all players attack midfield".also a renaming of the players needs to be done ,left defense(LD) is the wrong terminology left back (LB) is commonly referred to that position.it is the same for all defenders instead of CD it should be CB and RD becomes RB.also CD1 can be renamed Right center back (RCB).

I need a little difference for the coding, im not doing it for the players, but for the codeing

goalies cant be the same color as there players. Thats a real rule in soccer! i made it the refs could attack the sub dude, because they have to say its ok for the players to come in. I suck at spelling so you need to specify the mistakes.

ok the goalkeepers cant be the same colour but the blue GK is the same colour as the refs,as for the linesman neither linesman have a say in whether the players come on,its the 4th official and the referee that say when subs can happen.

again why are the benches not even? sub guys should turn into the 4th official as he annoounces when the subs come on.

as for the spelling mistakes top left forwards is spelt with 1 r,bottom right you have misspelled defenders and opposite.

I need a little difference for the coding, im not doing it for the players, but for the codeing

is that referring to the players names?if it is then you not being right in what ppl call the players in the game doesnt go with the spirit of the map.

ok will change the goalies color.

will change names to actual names (the goalie will be called howard for example) I will also change the spelling errors.

[Sniper08]

will change names to actual names (the goalie will be called howard for example)

i don't know if you can use actual footballers names (tim howard is a goalkeeper in the premier league) due to copyright .i suppose if you leave out the first name initial then you should be alright

[40kguy]

will change names to actual names (the goalie will be called howard for example)

i don't know if you can use actual footballers names (tim howard is a goalkeeper in the premier league) due to copyright .i suppose if you leave out the first name initial then you should be alright

yea that was my plan;)

[40kguy]

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changed the names, I need to fix some attack routs and add some. I also need to come up with some names for the bench players. any ideas? I also need names for the crowd. any ideas for that? I did some graphic work. I also took out the sub guy. I also changed the goalies color.

[JPcelticfc]

Im confused by the player name layout!! cantona seems to being played in defensive midfield lol also blue seems to be one player extra assuming evra is in the blue team!!

Names that could be used on the sub bench or to replace existing ones
defenders:
cafu
roberto carlos
stam
beckenbauer
Puyol

Mid:
iniesta
keane
zidane
nedved
pirlo

Fowards:
bergkamp
Ruud Gullit
Cruyff
Rivaldo
larsson

[Sniper08]

i came up with the names for the players and i wanted to get a mix of players from the 4 major leagues (premier league la liga seria A and bundasliga) and include the 2 greats maradona and pele. jp remember this is an actual match being shown so if cantona is out of position it means he is defending,i placed him in CM in the list in gave 40k.

1 defender 2 mid field 2 forward on the home bench
2 defender 2 mid field 1 forward on the away bench

so you can use jp's players aswell


you didnt fix the opposite spelling mistake also linesman are spelt wrong,and id still like the crowd to go around the stadium like it is in a real match

[40kguy]

id still like the crowd to go around the stadium like it is in a real match

how can i do that? I need a spot for the legend to go.

[Sniper08]

put the bench dots in a row instead of having them jagged,use a smaller font for the legend or try to reduce it size and the crowd doesnt have to be wide just needs to go around the stadium.i used ms paint to roughly outline how it should look.

[JPcelticfc]

i came up with the names for the players and i wanted to get a mix of players from the 4 major leagues (premier league la liga seria A and bundasliga) and include the 2 greats maradona and pele. jp remember this is an actual match being shown so if cantona is out of position it means he is defending,i placed him in CM in the list in gave 40k.

1 defender 2 mid field 2 forward on the home bench
2 defender 2 mid field 1 forward on the away bench

so you can use jp's players aswell


you didnt fix the opposite spelling mistake also linesman are spelt wrong,and id still like the crowd to go around the stadium like it is in a real match

you have to be careful with the names of the players are it will be out of date in a few years with largely forgotten players!! I think it would possibly better to use 22 of the greatest players that most people will recognise. Theres also not an even spread across the leagues. Currently there are 8 current or former Man united players!! but there are none that currently play in the seria A and only two that would be associated with it (Cannavaro and Maldini) Maybe consider using the likes of Lucio, Snejider, Pato and Eto.

I know the player names aren't a big thing but for whatever reason the current players wouldn't inspire me, it would be better craic to play with roberto carlos, cryff and best then evra, kaka and beckham!!

[Sniper08]

Currently there are 8 current or former Man united players!!

schmeichel - possibly the best goalkeeper in history so i doubt you can object to him being in there
Evra - probably the best left back in the world today, carlos cant touch him in my opinion
Vidic - can be taken out if needed but it will need to be a better player than the defenders you listed to replace vidic as none are better than him
Beckham - has played in 3 of the 4 big leagues which is why i put him in(im no fan of his) he can be taken out
cantana - a true legend deserves to be in
scholes - he can be replaced maybe with Zidane(I'm surprised i missed him)
giggs - give me a better LM player than him he is great
Ronaldo - 2nd best player alive today (again I'm no fan of his) but if you take him out then you need to take messi out

Theres also not an even spread across the leagues

well im not that knowlegdeable of the german or itailian league so their is some uneven but the 2 main leagues have always been the premier league and la liga.

but there are none that currently play in the seria A and only two that would be associated with it (Cannavaro and Maldini)

honestly there arent really any great player in Seria A now the 2 i did introduce are true greats i would like to have buffon in the other goal but 40k went with howard.beckham played with ac milan briefly again see up why i included him.

[JPcelticfc]

Nope I don't object to schmeichel he was a legend of a goalkeeper.

Team 1
Manager - Clough
GK
Schmeichel

RB - Cafu
CB - Maldini
CB - Blanc
LB - Roberto Carlos

RCM - Snejider
CM - Xavi
L CM - Nedved

RWF - Messi
FF - Cantona
LWF - Cryff

Subs
Baggio
Ronaldo
Keane
Lucio
Buffon

Team 2
Manager - Stein

GK - Howard

RB - Dani Alves
CB - Beckenbauer
CB - Stam
LB - Cole

RCM - Essien
CM - Zidane
LCM - Platini

RWF - Best
FF - Pele
LWF - Maradona

Subs
Puskas
Di Stéfano
Puyol
Nesta
Kahn

I think that those team would be better suited as they are some of the most iconic players in history, and will never be out dated.