new look Crossword 1.1 [Vacation]

[DiM]

WL_Southern
I have merged your topic with poll into this main foundry one, that way you don't loose any votes as they had started to accumulate. Good luck.
Also, i have place the current image at the top of your very first post which u can edit as you proceed with this map.

lol I don't think there are that many persons that voted for this map yet...I think you just doubled everything now...

nope he didn't double that's exactly how many people voted.
i find that really puzzling since i also see in this thread people that never posted before anywhere else in the foundry.

all of a sudden something like 10-15 people with less than 10 posts came and gave support for this map. i don't get it. what did you guys do? send pms to everybody in this game?

people like these people that never posted in the foundry

iConquer - 7 posts - 5 in this thread
Cherry pepsi? - 12 posts - 4 in this thread
AJ__the_one - 16 posts - 1 in this thread
truly_tasha - 5 posts - 2 in this thread
timthenavigator - 1 posts - 1 in this thread
Shrinky - 39 posts - 2 in this thread
zsp - 33 posts - 1 in this thread

plus people that have lots of posts but same thing. never posted in the foundry before.
KoE_Sirius, bedub1, clapper011, Big Yuma Ripper.

all of the above are for the first time in the foundry and some of them for the first time in the forum and they all come in this exact thread and say the map is great. how come?

[cena-rules]

please keep the ideas coming in people we are still open for ideas and improvments there's still work being done

I have 1 question are the outside bonuses not like the inside with terms of overlapping terrs

[WL_southerner]

sorry your right dim it was 2006 my error again but i did think i was after i came back from my holidays last year when it came out but over 3000 games have still been played on it and it has had tourney matches played using the crossword map, there are alot more members than there was and it is getting played more often now than it use to
good thing dim all them new people posting in now, now know where this place is so there very good chance now you see them more often giving out there views and ideas whitch is good more views and idea there is better for the site dont you think

[DiM]

sorry your right dim it was 2006 my error again but i did think i was after i came back from my holidays last year when it came out but over 3000 games have still been played on it and it has had tourney matches played using the crossword map, there are alot more members than there was and it is getting played more often now than it use to

actually no it's not getting played more than it used to. with people numbers triple than last year the number of games played each month has still fallen. so the map is played less and less especially since lots of new and better maps are being produced. there will be a time when people will simply not play it.

good thing dim all them new people posting in now, now know where this place is so there very good chance now you see them more often giving out there views and ideas whitch is good more views and idea there is better for the site dont you think

yep it's a good thing new people are posting here. i'm just curious as to why they chose this thread. none of them bothered to post in other map foundry threads. they just came here posted a few times to support this map and that's all. by any chance have you asked people in chat? or perhaps people in your clan? i don't understand why the sudden flow of people directed to this map only.

[spinwizard]

please keep the ideas coming in people we are still open for ideas and improvments there's still work being done

I have 1 question are the outside bonuses not like the inside with terms of overlapping terrs

No, only the gradient ones have overlaping bonuses.

Dim- any ideas for how i can improve the graphics??? Or are ur issues just with the gameplay/ concept and the graphics cant change this

[spinwizard]

And I need to make it bigger so the numbers fit

[WL_southerner]

if i ask members of the clan the site would never be able to cope there are over 1000 warlords members reg on the internet playing loads of diffrent games and sites, there no problem with getting support from other crossword
players to get support to a new map, or the fact that people from chat supporting it, maybe it might do you good to go up in to chat and listen to people and find out what they like and what there dislikes are and what they want,come on up in chat meet the gang you find we are a very friend bunch well that is apart of a the few idiots we get in there now and again but you get them where ever you go but on the whole we are a good bunch that like to laugh and joke around while we are waitng for r next go's in games
i might even tell about another idea i got forming in my head while your in chat because there are alot of ideas floating about in there you never know even you might like a few of them your self

[rebelman]

yep it's a good thing new people are posting here. i'm just curious as to why they chose this thread. none of them bothered to post in other map foundry threads. they just came here posted a few times to support this map and that's all. by any chance have you asked people in chat? or perhaps people in your clan? i don't understand why the sudden flow of people directed to this map only.

i have posted on other maps before commenting on this one DiM can't speak for anyone else, I got such a warm reception posting on threads previously I started a thread in the cheating and abuse forum about it . There are a few reasons I believe this map is attracting attention as follows:

Crosswords to this day remain very popular and crossword players like me are drawn to a thread like this.

As you said the existing map is flawed in some ways and people are not too inclined to play it, this to me is as good a justification for a revamp as you will hear and that to would attract support.

some of the new posters like RiskTycoon play the existing crossword map regularly if you look at their stats. so the dedicated crossword map followers were bound to coment.

I think it's great someone new has entered the map making world (am humming and hawing about doing so myself in the next while) and that new commenters have come to visit. Pete does mention this thread in live chat but I have spoken to you about AoM in live chat and to Gimil about the portugal map in there. I actually think it's a good idea that people use live chat in this way. I have often publicised various threads in there.

I'm in the middle of a very enjoyable crossword game at the moment and I will be returning to the existing map many times in the future.

[Coleman]

I've been wanting to start a crossword revamp but Jota has been hard to contact, and we'd need his permission.

I've been hesitant to post here because as a CA my extreme negative opinion of this map may upset the creator more then it should. Please keep in mind I'm just another poster and there are two other people around to disagree with me and move you forward.

This map is way, way, way, way, way too symmetrical. We have already discovered with U.S. Senate and Chinese Checkers that many people do not like symmetrical. I am one of them. Which some people may find funny since I made 8 Thoughts which may also fall into that category, but 8 thoughts has enough extra game play mechanics that I don't feel it's a problem there.

Back to your map, you don't seem to have gameplay mechanics that make the extreme symmetry of the map appealing. The stuff happening with Gray is a good step but you are probably going to need something else or a way to open up the map a bit more.

I'm interested in how you are planning to place army numbers as it appears you may have some overlap issues, which we can't allow. You need to solve overlaps up to 3 digit army numbers.

[WL_southerner]

hi coleman nice to see you
thank you for your input i have a few ideas on that we are trying out now

[timthenavigator]

it was more i was bored waiting for my next turn (don't have premium membership, just talked my wife into buying wii, not going to push my luck too much with premium membership), and merely saw an inaccuracy about crossword puzzles (that they are symmetrical diagonally, not like a square). i probably wouldn't play this map, but hey, if 10 people are going to play it, let them play it. i won't deny them the opportunity to choose, or for someone to make a map.

[DiM]

yep it's a good thing new people are posting here. i'm just curious as to why they chose this thread. none of them bothered to post in other map foundry threads. they just came here posted a few times to support this map and that's all. by any chance have you asked people in chat? or perhaps people in your clan? i don't understand why the sudden flow of people directed to this map only.

i have posted on other maps before commenting on this one DiM can't speak for anyone else, I got such a warm reception posting on threads previously I started a thread in the cheating and abuse forum about it . There are a few reasons I believe this map is attracting attention as follows:

yep i know you posted many times before in the foundry that's why your name isn't on the list i put above:

people like these people that never posted in the foundry

iConquer - 7 posts - 5 in this thread
Cherry pepsi? - 12 posts - 4 in this thread
AJ__the_one - 16 posts - 1 in this thread
truly_tasha - 5 posts - 2 in this thread
timthenavigator - 1 posts - 1 in this thread
Shrinky - 39 posts - 2 in this thread
zsp - 33 posts - 1 in this thread

plus people that have lots of posts but same thing. never posted in the foundry before.
KoE_Sirius, bedub1, clapper011, Big Yuma Ripper.

and i was just curious on the sudden flow of new people in here. it's not often to have 10+ people come in the foundry and post all of a sudden. and the coincidence that they all posted here puzzled me. that's why i presumed he told people in game chat or in a clan forum.

Crosswords to this day remain very popular and crossword players like me are drawn to a thread like this.

i highly doubt the bolded part. if you considered crosswords a very popular map then all the maps should be called GREAT HITS in big bold shiny letters with glitter on them some fireworks in the background and some gorgeous girls caressing the letters. the reality is that there's no other map that's least played than crosswords. plain and simple.

As you said the existing map is flawed in some ways and people are not too inclined to play it, this to me is as good a justification for a revamp as you will hear and that to would attract support.

2 problems on this. yes crosswords is flawed but not because of the gameplay but because of the theme. and this map here is keeping the same theme and destroying the gameplay (by making it symmetrical). so instead of taking the current map and making it better it is actually making it worse.

and second problem we're not talking about a revamp here but about a new map. so why have 2 crossword maps?

some of the new posters like RiskTycoon play the existing crossword map regularly if you look at their stats. so the dedicated crossword map followers were bound to coment.

yes some people play crosswords. but not because they love the map but because the map is so hated by many that few know how to play on it. they are called specialists. and we have them on other maps with a high difficulty rating like circus maximus or AoM. many people have no idea how to play AoM i do and by playing only AoM i can get a lot of easy points. plain and simple.

I think it's great someone new has entered the map making world (am humming and hawing about doing so myself in the next while) and that new commenters have come to visit. Pete does mention this thread in live chat but I have spoken to you about AoM in live chat and to Gimil about the portugal map in there. I actually think it's a good idea that people use live chat in this way. I have often publicised various threads in there.

I'm in the middle of a very enjoyable crossword game at the moment and I will be returning to the existing map many times in the future.

yes it's great that new people come in the foundry but as long as they come and post in just one thread it's useless.

i can make a thread now about a map and i can guarantee i can get 20-30 people to vote that they love it in a few hours. people that never visited the foundry in their life. they'll come vote perhaps even do a post like "i love it. let's play" but would that really make that map good? would it justify the creation of that map? i highly doubt it.

i can be considered a foundry rookie since i've been here for only half a year but in this period i've seen lots of people come post something like "great" or "i love it" and then never come back. i've gotten used to ignoring them. i don't want to sound disrespectful but i value 10 times more the feedback from a person that takes his time and studies a map then posts proper feedback with reasons and arguments.

[sam_levi_11]

they prolly posted here cos southy did it and hes well liked

[WL_southerner]

any way lets keep it to constuctive chat now

[DiM]

edit// edited because i hate to have the last post on a page.

[iConquer]

that newspaper idea does sound interesting.............

[DiM]

reposted this because i hate having the last post on a page

About the graphics...there is not much more I can do to them as it is only squares...

actually there's a lot more you can do. never say never. any image can be transformed into something nice if you know how to and use your imagination.

here's an idea that might help the map. i still hate this map but since i'm bored why not have some fun working in photoshop.

so basically i took your image turned it into a newspaper rip and scotch taped it on a bulletin board. easy.

[gimil]

I definetly dont think this thread warrented a move. Everyone knows that:

1. crossoword is one of (if not) the LEAST played map.

2. Symetrical maps arent popular (heck i remember oaktown saying that he didnt even play his own map, chinese checkers)

Now that both these factors are incorperated into a single map i see it as being a disaster. Dont take me as a spoil sport but if you look at it from a business perseption what you have is bad market research. you have tried to recyle a failed theme by adding an extreamly unpopular gameplay style.

You could however argue that you are taking advantage of a niche in map development. (its not that its popular, its jsut that theres a small segment who want it, (if that makes sense to you)) however i dont see this argument working out for you either.

you may of had enought support to get this thread out of the ideas but will the same support substain you through the process? will they stay with you through final forge? I dont seem doing so. This is when you are going to require the support of the foundry regulars who know what there talking about and WANT to help you do the right thing, again i dont see them giving you much support either because these sorts of factors have been tested many a time.

By all means if you REALLY want this map then continue but judging by what you have done i feel your competant skills with graphics software could be better used in a better project.

[DiM]

you have tryed to recyle a failed theme by adding an extreamly unpopular gamepaly style.

i love the quoted part. that's so true and well said (except for the spelling)

[gimil]

you have tryed to recyle a failed theme by adding an extreamly unpopular gamepaly style.

i love the quoted part. that's so true and well said (except for the spelling)

shut up

[gimil]

I also dont understand why this map has been moved while the soviet union map is still an idea

[DiM]

I also dont understand why this map has been moved while the soviet union map is still an idea

because the soviet union map doesn't have a poll where 30 chat regulars could come and vote for it

[gimil]

I also dont understand why this map has been moved while the soviet union map is still an idea

because the soviet union map doesn't have a poll where 30 chat regulars could come and vote for it

the era of the three kingdoms didnt have a poll either. I personally dont believe in te use of a pole unless over 100 people use it. why? because without a hih number of votes its not really valuable as the communities opinion. also i dont like polls because they deter the principles of the foundry to discuss a matter until a concusion is made.

anyone can vote in a poll without reading the discussion of the said point.

[WidowMakers]

I also dont understand why this map has been moved while the soviet union map is still an idea

I agree

[DiM]

I also dont understand why this map has been moved while the soviet union map is still an idea

because the soviet union map doesn't have a poll where 30 chat regulars could come and vote for it

the era of the three kingdoms didnt have a poll either. I personally dont believe in te use of a pole unless over 100 people use it. why? because without a hih number of votes its not really valuable as the communities opinion. also i dont like polls because they deter the principles of the foundry to discuss a matter until a concusion is made.

anyone can vote in a poll without reading the discussion of the said point.

i think you are wrong. let's start a poll on this