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Hyrule Map (Ocarina of Time) [Abandoned Copyright]

Postby Rallion on Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:22 pm

Here's the latest version of my Hyrule map.

Recent changes:
0.4: Added the three fairy fountains. Cosmetic and name changes.
0.3: Added army shadows and moved the text around. Added some funny business around Lon Lon Ranch. Other cosmetic changes.
0.2: completely redrawing the borders to be less 'accurate' and more practical, as well as the addition of ten new countries.

Current Version:
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As long as I stick to self-made art and place names, copyright issues shouldn't be an issue here any more than, say, with maps of Middle Earth, or fan art.

Continents (7):
Hyrule Castle: 5 territories, 2 border, attacked by 2
Death Mountain: 7 territories, 1 border, attacked by 4
Zora River: 6 territories, 3 border, attacked by 4
Kokiri Forest: 7 territories, 2 border, attacked by 2
Hyrule Field: 5 territories, 4 border, attacked by 7
Gerudo Desert: 7 territories, 1 border, attacked by 2
Lake Hylia: 5 territories, 3 border, attacked by 3

Total: 42 territories

Version 1: http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/8811/2006196115610286773_rs.jpg
Version 2: http://aycu26.webshots.com/image/8505/2005549777195422239_rs.jpg
Version 3: http://rallion.org/Hyrule1-3.jpg
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Postby DemonHunter on Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:26 pm

I like it. I think it'd be a really cool and fun map to play on.
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Postby Lt.Mustard on Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:27 pm

i love zelda...... make the map! but you better do it well or you will be a disgrace to all video gamaers
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Postby millej11 on Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:28 pm

perhaps more pics of in game stuff?
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Postby Guiscard on Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:28 pm

I wasted an insane amount of time playing Ocarina. Used to just boom around on Epona shooting at stuff for hours and the fishing game was immense! Mental zombies in the marketplace when you grew up scared the shit outa me though...

Looks good, might make an interesting map. Would definitely like to see how it progresses. Copyright on images of Zelda and suchlike may be a problem though...
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Postby Fircoal on Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:30 pm

looks interesting and Zelda games are cool, so MAKE IT ALREADY!
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Postby KEYOGI on Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:38 pm

I doubt you'll ever get past copyright issues. Get the permission from Nintendo now before you put any hard work into it. That way if you don't get permission, you haven't spent all the time making a nice map for no reason.
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Postby Rallion on Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:20 pm

Nintendo actually has a policy of never responding to requests for permission to use copyright materials.

Anyway, assuming I use no actual Nintendo-made images (which sadly means no logo), copyright shouldn't be an issue, although copyright laws are really vague on these kinds of things and there are no precedental cases. (It seems to me that if a from-scratch low-quality visual description of a fictional landscape is a copyright violation, than so is a one-paragraph summary of a movie or novel.) It's certainly no worse than any piece of fan art, or three of the maps already in use.
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Postby Irkutsk on Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:43 pm

That is the coolest idea ever man I LOVE Zelda haha.
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Postby AK_iceman on Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:50 pm

I don't know, someone tried to make a Super Mario Land map, and they couldn't because of copywrite issues.

If you do make the map, heres a few suggestions.
- Change the background color to something other than black.
- Rename the territories that are "Eastern, Western, Northern....", there are a lot of areas in Zelda, you shouldn't need to use boring terms.
- Possibly make some warp paths that you would use the Ocarina for, like from Lake Hylia to Goron Mountain.
- Lon Lon Ranch could have a 1 way entrance, from Eastern Field. But maybe it could attack all 4 sections of field?

Looks good for a first draft though.
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Postby Coleman on Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:17 am

Just an FYI. You can have the Tri-Force on your halo characters in Halo II as a symbol. It isn't a symbol Nintendo owns or came up with. I don't believe they had to ask to use it.
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Postby DemonHunter on Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:59 pm

I personally like the black background.
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Postby Balsiefen on Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:23 pm

Good map but your largest continent has only 6 territories and there are a lot of fours and fives so you proberbly need a few more erritories added.
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Postby Wisse on Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:24 pm

love to play zelda (if you look to my sig (A) )
you must ask about the copyrights
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Postby Nikita_2006 on Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:02 pm

KEYOGI wrote:I doubt you'll ever get past copyright issues. Get the permission from Nintendo now before you put any hard work into it. That way if you don't get permission, you haven't spent all the time making a nice map for no reason.


I Like the map but check the copyrights before you go on.

If you get the permission it could be a great map
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Postby bonobo`s son on Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:23 pm

i never played zelda but playing this map is something completely different then other maps and thats why it is great
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Re: Hyrule Map (Ocarina of Time)

Postby Exterminator on Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:31 pm

Rallion wrote:Image


ryt, wen i first sor this on the forum, i thort the copyrights would stop u making it, but f*ck them 4 now.

I luv Zelda games with Ocarina of Time my fav of them all.

i think:

> there should be more terratories
> an attack route between Lake Hylia and Zoras Domain(or part of Kokiri Forest)
> an attack route between Goron City and Lost woods(or part of Kokiri Forest)
> how about Temple of time being next to Hyrule Town(should be called the Market)
> the Secret Meadow(sorry, cant remember the prper name) to the west of the Lost woods
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Postby Exterminator on Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:48 pm

and also the Ice Cavern to the North of Zoras Fountain
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Postby Rallion on Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:44 pm

New version. Original post updated.

Link to new image: http://aycu26.webshots.com/image/8505/2005549777195422239_rs.jpg
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Postby Exterminator on Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:25 am

much better.

38 terratories so its going to be quite a small map. Unless u can Fit/Make room for more.
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Postby Exterminator on Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:43 pm

Rallion wrote:Continents (7):
Hyrule Castle: 4 territories
Death Mountain: 7 territories
Zora River: 5 territories
Kokiri Forest: 7 territories
Hyrule Field: 5 territories (Should be Hyrule, not Hylia)
Gerudo Desert: 6 territories
Lake Hylia: 5 territories

Total: 39 territories

Here's what I know of that currently needs to be looked at:
Extra links between areas. One idea that I had is to link the temples together in some way. It's good for gameplay, I think, and also is fairly true to the game the map is based on. I don't know if only certain temples should be linked, or if they should all be considered bordering each other.

Are more areas needed? If so, where?

Are the borders okay as they are?

Other stuff:
What do you think about what I've done with Lon Lon Ranch? In can be attacked from two territories, but can attack four.

Should there be extra bonuses associated with the Temples? They're central to Ocarina, so perhaps each one could grant an extra bonus.


i think ALL temples should be linked. and maybe +1 for each temple owned.

Kokiri Forest should be Lost Woods and the Lost Woods should be Sacred Meadow.
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Postby Gamera on Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:43 pm

I rather like it. As previously said, it's a small map, which would definitely be an issue. Also, the Gerudo Valley -> Lakeside Observatory link is one way and should me noted as such. Also, I think adding little things would help get you more territories and not be such a huge overhaul, like Great Fairy Locations and the like. I shall ponder.
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Postby Exterminator on Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:47 pm

hmmm... 3 Great Fairy locations would make 42contries (which is the same as classic) not a bad idea

Gerudo Valley -> Lakeside Observatory(i thinks its Labertory, but oh well) is one way
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Postby oaktown on Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:41 pm

Rallion wrote:Anyway, assuming I use no actual Nintendo-made images (which sadly means no logo), copyright shouldn't be an issue, although copyright laws are really vague on these kinds of things and there are no precedental cases.

Actually there are years of case history around copyright infringement and intellectual property rights. You can't profit from somebody else's work without permission. If indeed you are using all original graphics NOT intended to look like someone else's copyrighted material, and you are using entirely original names throughout, you're fine... but if this isn't a derivative work, why write on the bottom that it is? It's an invitation for Nintendo's lawyers to send a letter to CC.

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I agree - frankly I'm surprised the Tolkein estate hasn't asked CC to remove it, as they are very particular about issuing licenses.
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