The United Kingdom [Abandoned]

[gimil]

Since ive lsot every other project ive done at the moment, i tohught id give you a taste of my new project. I have currently not addded any countys of bonuses since i want the commuiiy to decided how gameplay will work out.

Either

A. standard territiys

B. Have cities that are connected by attack routes like gnomes latest map.

[rebelman]

i have to say i am not a fan of any map that includes a disputed border and which puts the people in a category that almost 50% don't want to be part of.

Also do we not already have a GB map which despite its flaws avoided this delicate historical / geo-political question.

your outline of Ireland is also flawed - for one thing at a glance cork Harbour is missing and several other errors as well - what happened to bantry bay and valentia bay mizen head has disappeared and carnsore point has moved.

[gimil]

i have to say i am not a fan of any map that includes a disputed border and which puts the people in a category that almost 50% don't want to be part of.

Perhaps you can expalin further what you mean? WHich boarders are disputed?

Also do we not already have a GB map which despite its flaws avoided this delicate historical / geo-political question.

Yes there is a current British Isles map, but i was hopeing to created the UNITED KINGDOM as an alternative.

your outline of Ireland is also flawed - for one thing at a glance cork Harbour is missing and several other errors as well - what happened to bantry bay and valentia bay mizen head has disappeared and carnsore point has moved.

Perhaps you can explain further here since your history seems to be a little better than mine

[yeti_c]

He means the Irish border...

C.

[benjikat]

Surely you would have realised you would be facing some opposition when you typed "Northern Ireland" into your map...

I was thinking about getting round this by doing an England only map, but I guess you want to include Scotland...

The other choice is "Great Britain" which is technically England Wales and Scotland only, and also excludes the Isle of Man, Channel Islands. That may be the best route for you to take...

[rebelman]

Surely you would have realised you would be facing some opposition when you typed "Northern Ireland" into your map...

yep thats the border I am referring to. Ever since the remainder of the island regained its independance in the treaty negotiations many have disputed the status of the "6 counties" this unfortunately has resulted in much blood shed and tragedy on all sides - loyalist, unionist, republican and nationalist as well as many relatively innocent bystanders. Currently 40% of the populatin f the 6 counties want to be part of a once again united Ireland, a slightly larger % want to reamin part of the UK whille the remainder either have no opinion or wish to form a new country.

As for the geographic points about Ireland - find an accurate map of the island and retrace it so the outline does in reality reflect the outline of this island.

[gimil]

The boarders ive used are politically correct. I aware of the history between the irish and the difference between the nationalist and the unionists. But the map is the of the CURRENT state of the country.

[rebelman]

The boarders ive used are politically correct. I aware of the history between the irish and the difference between the nationalist and the unionists. But the map is the of the CURRENT state of the country.

Gimil I was refering to the outline of Ireland as a whole look at this map (i could have chosen several others - and you can see why I believe your outline of the island of Ireland is flawed:



as for your border - its your map and if you want to include it despite the obvious offence it causes that is your choice but i for one think you are making a big maistake

[Simonov]

map looks great. go with the idea!

[Balsiefen]

The boarders ive used are politically correct. I aware of the history between the irish and the difference between the nationalist and the unionists. But the map is the of the CURRENT state of the country.

Gimil I was refering to the outline of Ireland as a whole look at this map (i could have chosen several others - and you can see why I believe your outline of the island of Ireland is flawed:



as for your border - its your map and if you want to include it despite the obvious offence it causes that is your choice but i for one think you are making a big maistake

Well i dont know about gimil but i personally cant see any problems with the outline of ireland and i've looked quite hard (apart from mabye the lake in northern ireland

As for his boarder, i think it will cause a lot less offence than the extreme ignorance of the other brittish isles map. If you dont like the political boarder of northern ireland, you dont have to play it. If i want to play a map of my own country i have to play a map which i cant stand.

Anywyay, gimil, love the map and keep going. I think the isle of man should be part of it as well (although i'm not sure as i believe its state as a member of the UK is pretty complex) mabye make it a neutral start which gives +1 if you get it.

[spinwizard]

Looks nice, and rebel, I understand the n. Ireland political point but i believe the vague Ireland outline was what he was going for, you see it on many maps they make the borders look smooth and not totally geographically correct, personally I think it looks good.

Gimli, the idea of cities sounds appealing and I have some ideas for how the bonus should be structured.

Bonuses-

Maybe +1 per 3 cities?

or

Sort them into category's, tourist towns, mining, factory's, ect. Some can belong to more than one group and have bonuses for owning a % or all of a group.

Game play-
London could be split into multiple sections in a small London side map (Like on Rail, USA) or you could just start it with lost of neutrals and have a bonus for holding it.

You could incorporate regions (owning all the cities in a region= big bonus)

I have more ideas and will post them as I remember.

As you can see I love the look of the map and are really excited about this! Lets hope the '1 map per a region activists' don't quash it! GREAT WORK!

[Telvannia]

There should be a +10 for holding my house

Otherwise i like the map. I hope you plan the make the flags less dominating. If not then make the british jack a but more dominating. Maybe make it the background to the title?

Im a bit tired and will be back later.

[gimil]

Looks nice, and rebel, I understand the n. Ireland political point but i believe the vague Ireland outline was what he was going for, you see it on many maps they make the borders look smooth and not totally geographically correct, personally I think it looks good.

Gimli, the idea of cities sounds appealing and I have some ideas for how the bonus should be structured.

Bonuses-

Maybe +1 per 3 cities?

or

Sort them into category's, tourist towns, mining, factory's, ect. Some can belong to more than one group and have bonuses for owning a % or all of a group.

Game play-
London could be split into multiple sections in a small London side map (Like on Rail, USA) or you could just start it with lost of neutrals and have a bonus for holding it.

You could incorporate regions (owning all the cities in a region= big bonus)

I have more ideas and will post them as I remember.

As you can see I love the look of the map and are really excited about this! Lets hope the '1 map per a region activists' don't quash it! GREAT WORK!

Spinwizard i love your enthusiasim, but im trying to give the community a relativly simple map for a change. so im thinking of structuring the bonus as old fashioned continents. But i do like the idea of london as a seperate continent, ill take it into consideration.

[ParadiceCity9]

you could always just play british isles...

[gimil]

you could always just play british isles...

you could also provide more construtive feedback.

[Telvannia]

you could always just play british isles...

different gameplay.

I dont know if you realised you might as well say get rid off all the maps of geographical locations because you can always play the world map.
Now is that a good idea?

(a bit extreme i know, but look at america for a less extreme version.)

[yeti_c]

I really wish someone would revamp the british isles map... and get the fucking names right this time...

C.

[gimil]

I really wish someone would revamp the british isles map... and get the fucking names right this time...

C.

there was plans for hte british iles revamp but the origanal cartographer wasnt happy and pulled out.

[yeti_c]

I really wish someone would revamp the british isles map... and get the fucking names right this time...

C.

there was plans for hte british iles revamp but the origanal cartographer wasnt happy and pulled out.

Pfffft - I don't give a shit - he's japanese - I want a map that's correct...

C.

[spinwizard]

I'm sill a supporter of the cities idea

[rebelman]

I really wish someone would revamp the british isles map... and get the fucking names right this time...

C.

[gimil]

Right guys lets not turn this into a "lets revamp the british isles map" thread.

[rebelman]

Right guys lets not turn this into a "lets revamp the british isles map" thread.

agreed i intend turning it into a hands off the island of Ireland thread

[khazalid]

Surely you would have realised you would be facing some opposition when you typed "Northern Ireland" into your map...

yep thats the border I am referring to. Ever since the remainder of the island regained its independance in the treaty negotiations many have disputed the status of the "6 counties" this unfortunately has resulted in much blood shed and tragedy on all sides - loyalist, unionist, republican and nationalist as well as many relatively innocent bystanders. Currently 40% of the populatin f the 6 counties want to be part of a once again united Ireland, a slightly larger % want to reamin part of the UK whille the remainder either have no opinion or wish to form a new country.

As for the geographic points about Ireland - find an accurate map of the island and retrace it so the outline does in reality reflect the outline of this island.

have being of course indicative of the key tense. think you sinn fein still refutes the border?

[rebelman]

have being of course indicative of the key tense. think you sinn fein still refutes the border?

as does the SDLP and most of the parties in the south not least FF. The power sharing arrangement is in place, but the goal has not changed - all nationalists and republicans still want a united Ireland - the big difference now though is all of us are (thankfully) trying to bring it about by peaceful means.