MAP BLASTER II: The Redemption [WINNER: colson]

[DimnjacarStef]

Foxtrot Group_Game 69
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2260324
8 DimnjacarStef (winner)
7 Killer619
6 kwanton
5 Bwana
4 MacaPaca777
3 speed
2 HAWK79
1 geigerm

[colson]

Well i think all the games should be played. that is the point of this tournament is to play 77 games all 8 player and if lets say i won the waterloo map even if im not in the top three that don't mean it wouldn't help me win a wild card spot. I think that all groups should play all there games, that way there is no debate when its all said and done.
and that brings up another question ? What about players that deadbeated there games, i am talking about Kotaro, he missed most of his turns so what i am asking shouldn't he be placed in last place of the games he missed 3 turns and was kicked out. That really threw off the balance of the game, becouse since he wasn't playing he wasn't getting no cards, since he had no cards people have been less likely to attack him, which allowed him to be placed higher then he should be.

I dont think that its fair since the rest of us have played our turns and been trying to win.

you make a good point, lets see how thinngs pan out

bigdaddyslim2 makes a great point. In fact, I'm not a fan of the scoring system. You pay too little points to first place. With 77 games there is plenty enough games to get a sample of who is best (unlike say if there were only 5). I recommend in the future you have it to where the most total 1st place wins out of 77 games. Bigdaddyslim2 will come in 2nd in total wins out of 77, but will not even land in the top four because of your scoring system. At least score the winner with bonus points say 10 for first and 7 for second, ect. I mean really, in an 8 player, escalating game the difference between 2nd place and 6th place may be nothing more than luck. If you happen to be placed next to a guy who goes on a run then you are going to go out earlier. Also the person going on a run to win the game can in essance choose who he wants to take out next. I bet I can win the entire tournament by doing nothing but placing my armies and ending my turn. By having no cards, I'll all but guarantee getting 2nd place in every game and having the most points. But that wouldn't be in the spirit of competition.

[colson]

Alpha Group
Game 72

8-colson
7-reahma
6-bigdaddyslim2
5-zark
4-brandoncfi
3-agile76
2-Haggis_McMutton
1-Kotaro

Game 2251946

[Thomo1970]

Charlie Group_Game 34
8 Thomo1970
7 grant.gordon
6 Sir. Ricco
5 Lufsen75
4 SouthernWarrior
3 whitetrash67
2 Aesop Jones
1 Juls
2253834

[brandoncfi]

Well i think all the games should be played. that is the point of this tournament is to play 77 games all 8 player and if lets say i won the waterloo map even if im not in the top three that don't mean it wouldn't help me win a wild card spot. I think that all groups should play all there games, that way there is no debate when its all said and done.
and that brings up another question ? What about players that deadbeated there games, i am talking about Kotaro, he missed most of his turns so what i am asking shouldn't he be placed in last place of the games he missed 3 turns and was kicked out. That really threw off the balance of the game, becouse since he wasn't playing he wasn't getting no cards, since he had no cards people have been less likely to attack him, which allowed him to be placed higher then he should be.

I dont think that its fair since the rest of us have played our turns and been trying to win.

you make a good point, lets see how thinngs pan out

bigdaddyslim2 makes a great point. In fact, I'm not a fan of the scoring system. You pay too little points to first place. With 77 games there is plenty enough games to get a sample of who is best (unlike say if there were only 5). I recommend in the future you have it to where the most total 1st place wins out of 77 games. Bigdaddyslim2 will come in 2nd in total wins out of 77, but will not even land in the top four because of your scoring system. At least score the winner with bonus points say 10 for first and 7 for second, ect. I mean really, in an 8 player, escalating game the difference between 2nd place and 6th place may be nothing more than luck. If you happen to be placed next to a guy who goes on a run then you are going to go out earlier. Also the person going on a run to win the game can in essance choose who he wants to take out next. I bet I can win the entire tournament by doing nothing but placing my armies and ending my turn. By having no cards, I'll all but guarantee getting 2nd place in every game and having the most points. But that wouldn't be in the spirit of competition.

You make valid points but...
If you see somebody placing armies and not getting cards then the group needs to realize what he is doing and take him out. The reason I like this tourney is that there are multiple strategies invovled, that span the entire 77 games. Keeping yourself in a postion to be taken out 2nd to last or last is a valid strategy. However you also have to factor in your points for the game in general if you are willing to give up points and not go for the win then so be it. If you are about to win a game then it would be in your best interest to take out the people in the order you want, again that is part of the strategy of this tourney. In MP I was winning a large percentage of the 1st 40 games finnished. Other players realized what was happenning and I started to get targeted me for early elimintation. This is part of the strategy invovled. So the scoring will stay the same. In this tourney I don't care if you have won the most games I only care if you have the most points if that means 77 games coming in 2nd place that that is fine with me.

[Hath]

you make a good point, lets see how thinngs pan out

bigdaddyslim2 makes a great point. In fact, I'm not a fan of the scoring system. You pay too little points to first place. With 77 games there is plenty enough games to get a sample of who is best (unlike say if there were only 5). I recommend in the future you have it to where the most total 1st place wins out of 77 games. Bigdaddyslim2 will come in 2nd in total wins out of 77, but will not even land in the top four because of your scoring system. At least score the winner with bonus points say 10 for first and 7 for second, ect. I mean really, in an 8 player, escalating game the difference between 2nd place and 6th place may be nothing more than luck. If you happen to be placed next to a guy who goes on a run then you are going to go out earlier. Also the person going on a run to win the game can in essance choose who he wants to take out next. I bet I can win the entire tournament by doing nothing but placing my armies and ending my turn. By having no cards, I'll all but guarantee getting 2nd place in every game and having the most points. But that wouldn't be in the spirit of competition.

You make valid points but...
If you see somebody placing armies and not getting cards then the group needs to realize what he is doing and take him out. The reason I like this tourney is that there are multiple strategies invovled, that span the entire 77 games. Keeping yourself in a postion to be taken out 2nd to last or last is a valid strategy. However you also have to factor in your points for the game in general if you are willing to give up points and not go for the win then so be it. If you are about to win a game then it would be in your best interest to take out the people in the order you want, again that is part of the strategy of this tourney. In MP I was winning a large percentage of the 1st 40 games finnished. Other players realized what was happenning and I started to get targeted me for early elimintation. This is part of the strategy invovled. So the scoring will stay the same. In this tourney I don't care if you have won the most games I only care if you have the most points if that means 77 games coming in 2nd place that that is
fine with me.

I never ever ever ever would target the leader............

Valid points about the scoring system, but it really values surviving and not doing dumb things at the beginning. Those who go for a country on the first turn and fail are essentially deadlocked into one of the last few places. It's good the way it is, and I disagree that you should get bonus points for winning...your points getting a boost from and 8 player game victory should be bonus enough. It is for me at least.

[kwanton]

Tournament Game: Map Blaster II: The Redemption - Foxtrot Group_Game 67

8.MacaPaca777
7.HAWK79
6.Bwana
5.speed
4.Killer619
3.DimnjacarStef
2.geigerm
winner:kwanton

[bigdaddyslim2]

Well I think that might be a good idea in the future, getting more points for the win may encourage ppl not to just sit back and try to place 2nd, but I could never not try to win. I guess thats my nature. I do understand about being able to go on a run, but its not always that way, to be able to keep up that run you need to be able to get the cards to keep it up so most likely you target the person with the most cards and brandonsfi i haven't targeted you, but i do think that with Kotaro missing most his turns it did mess up the flow of the game. I really never played esculating that much, but now that im used to it im doing allot better, I had made the mistake of trying to take bonus's early like Hath was saying, but i can say that the times i did have a bonus it gave me those few extra men that i needed to win.


I have a question. How do you make a link on the forum? Like a link to the game we played

[brandoncfi]

Well I think that might be a good idea in the future, getting more points for the win may encourage ppl not to just sit back and try to place 2nd, but I could never not try to win. I guess thats my nature. I do understand about being able to go on a run, but its not always that way, to be able to keep up that run you need to be able to get the cards to keep it up so most likely you target the person with the most cards and brandonsfi i haven't targeted you, but i do think that with Kotaro missing most his turns it did mess up the flow of the game. I really never played esculating that much, but now that im used to it im doing allot better, I had made the mistake of trying to take bonus's early like Hath was saying, but i can say that the times i did have a bonus it gave me those few extra men that i needed to win.


I have a question. How do you make a link on the forum? Like a link to the game we played

Thanks for the comment but again if somebody wants to wait around and get 2nd place then they can do that. That is no problem do what ever it takes to move on. If they make it to the final round then they will have to win or they will lose


I do not think Kotoro missed turns on purpose...but if he did then his strat didn't work for him it is highly unlikely the he will move on to R2

To link to this thread just click url and copy/past the address in between the [url]here[/url]
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=48090&p=1323074#p1323074

[daydream]

Well i think all the games should be played. that is the point of this tournament is to play 77 games all 8 player and if lets say i won the waterloo map even if im not in the top three that don't mean it wouldn't help me win a wild card spot. I think that all groups should play all there games, that way there is no debate when its all said and done.
and that brings up another question ? What about players that deadbeated there games, i am talking about Kotaro, he missed most of his turns so what i am asking shouldn't he be placed in last place of the games he missed 3 turns and was kicked out. That really threw off the balance of the game, becouse since he wasn't playing he wasn't getting no cards, since he had no cards people have been less likely to attack him, which allowed him to be placed higher then he should be.

I dont think that its fair since the rest of us have played our turns and been trying to win.

i am to blame for the kotaro deadbeating. he's a mate of mine who has been having big rl troubles and asked me to babysit his account. He left me with the insane total fo more than 150!!! games to play, and with my own games as well, and a life (imagine that, i have one of those ) it was difficult to keep track of them all. for a while i managed, and then my own life started getting problematic. in this time i also missed a lot of my own turns, and abandoned my tournament, so it wasnt only kotaros account that got unlucky there.
HOWEVER! the no cards thing was not (only) due to missing turns. notice how most the turns i took i didnt take a card? it was my strategy. i wanted few cards, and relatively large stacks spread across the map, so that noone would eliminate me, and i could steal the win by chain-killing. With more than 200 games in total, i felt that was the best way to go without having to remember what i was doing in each game.
Feel free to disqualify kotaro though, since he still isnt back, and you would still just be playing me.

[Dazoot]

I was going over your tabulations for Delta Group and your scores are a little incorrect . According to the games they should be...
Pogophiles 405
Dazoot 363
Vampir2124 359
Natewolfman 343
Darin44 331
Acores2005 324
Jennifermarie 315
Denominator 296

Now I checked all the posted games on the thread to see if they were entered correctly but only the games entered by myself, Darin44, Vampir2124, and Jennifermarie were there.These were entered correctly but some of these were not entered either. Where were these games posted and all the games won by Pogophiles Natewolfman, Acores2005 and Denominator posted?? As the mistake may be in their postings.

I realize it makes no difference in the final three for the group even with one game left but it may come into play for the wild card spots perhaps.

Don't mean to be a pest but I can be a little ..okay alot anal about these things as I tend to be a great record keeper. I also have all the running scores for all the games and all the groups if you wish to compare notes.
Like I admit alot anal.

[geigerm]

Foxtrot Group
Game 70

8 - geigerm
7 - MacaPaca777
6 - HAWK79
5 - Bwana
4 - Killer619
3 - kwanton
2 - DimnjacarStef
1 - speed

Game 2260325


EDIT: Just finished another game, so I figured I'd update the same post:

Foxtrot Group
Game 11

8 - geigerm
7 - Bwana
6 - Killer619
5 - speed
4 - MacaPaca777
3 - HAWK79
2 - kwanton
1 - DimnjacarStef

Game 2260194

[SouthernWarrior]

Game #66 Charlie Group


8 SouthernWarrior- Winner
7 Thomo1970
6 Whitetrash67
5 Sir. Ricco
4 Aesop Jones
3 grant. gordon
2 Lufsen75
1 Juls

[Haggis_McMutton]

Alpha Group_Game 73
Game 2251947

8-Haggis_McMutton
7-agile76
6-zark
5-colson
4-bigdaddyslim2
3-reahma
2-brandoncfi
1-Kotaro

[denominator]

Denominator 296

Ouch. And I was so proud to have made 300 points...

Where were these games posted and all the games won by Pogophiles Natewolfman, Acores2005 and Denominator posted??

I didn't post any of my games. I think I won about 8, but in an earlier post by brandoncfi he stated that incorrect reportings would be subject to a points penalty, whereas there was no penalty for not posting results. I decided on the course with the least chance of penalization, as I couldn't afford to lose any points.

[Lufsen75]

Charlie Group_Game 50

Game 2253894

8. Lufsen75 (Winner)
7. whitetrash67
6. Southernwarrior
5. Sir. Ricco
4. grant.gordon
3. Thomo1970
2. Juls
1. Aesop Jones

[Hath]

I was going over your tabulations for Delta Group and your scores are a little incorrect . According to the games they should be...
Pogophiles 405
Dazoot 363
Vampir2124 359
Natewolfman 343
Darin44 331
Acores2005 324
Jennifermarie 315
Denominator 296

Now I checked all the posted games on the thread to see if they were entered correctly but only the games entered by myself, Darin44, Vampir2124, and Jennifermarie were there.These were entered correctly but some of these were not entered either. Where were these games posted and all the games won by Pogophiles Natewolfman, Acores2005 and Denominator posted?? As the mistake may be in their postings.

I realize it makes no difference in the final three for the group even with one game left but it may come into play for the wild card spots perhaps.

Don't mean to be a pest but I can be a little ..okay alot anal about these things as I tend to be a great record keeper. I also have all the running scores for all the games and all the groups if you wish to compare notes.
Like I admit alot anal.

I'd rather not check back through the games to see where the error is. I don't use the reported scores to update. I don't really care if you mess it up, but that's up to brandon whether he wants to penalize for misreporting.

Please note that when I update and the tourney was in full swing it could take up to 3 hours to do. 3 hours...400+ games, there's going to be some errors. If the scores are really really close I'm fine with going back through them...but as the swing isn't more that 7 for any one game...I don't see the need in most cases. Please pm me if you REALLY need me to check into scoring issues.

And you're sick for doing scores on a whim...I'm all for cross-checking scores (between brandon and I both there are sure to be errors).

I'll try to get an update done tomorrow night...but I've been working 10 hours a day and weekends are for sleepz!

[speed]

Foxtrot Game 61

8. speed
7. macapaca777
6. kwanton
5. geigerm
4. hawk79
3. bwana
2. dimnjacarstef
1. killer619

[bigdaddyslim2]

well i think that all scores should be right, what is the point of the tourny if we just ignore mistakes and not make them right. i know i went through all my games and added them up so if its differant than whats posted ill say something, i understand its allot of work, but that was the choice that was made when the tournament was started.

[brandoncfi]

I have counted 8 new maps that have been quenched...if they are available for the next round they will be used

Also I will be introducing bonus games in the next round. Since the main goal of this tourney is to play all of the games at once I have come up with a way to do this w/ the six player maps.

BONUS MAPS

Next round there will be 24 players split into 3 groups of 8
Then I will split the 24 player in 4 goups of 6 to play the bonus maps
The bonus maps will be worth 4 points to the winner and that is the only points awarded. The points will be added to your score for the 2nd round

This way all maps will be played. So be prepared to play 88 games next round

[DimnjacarStef]

Foxtrot Game 51
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2260290

8. dimnjacarstef (winner)
7. geigerm
6. Bwana
5. speed
4. kwanton
3. Killer619
2. MacaPaca777
1. HAWK79

[colson]

Alpha Group
Game 75

8-colson
7-brandoncfi
6-reahma
5-zark
4-bigdaddyslim2
3-Haggis_McMutton
2-agile76
1-Kotaro

Game 2251951

[tabsnake]

Bravo Group Game # 53

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2253467

8 - tabsnake
7 - greenoaks
6 - atreideshouse
5 - schnitzella
4 - hath
3 - fortworthian
2 - chadwick31
1 - pimphawks70

[whitetrash67]

charlie group
game23
8/whitetrash67
7/thomo1970
6/lufsen75
5/southern warrior
4/aesop jones
3/grant gordan
2/juls
1/sir ricco
game72
8/whitetrash67
7/grant gordan
6/lufsen75
5/aesop jones
4/sir ricco
3/southern warrior
2/juls
1/thomo1970

[geigerm]

Foxtrot Group
Game 52

8 - geigerm
7 - kwanton
6 - Killer619
5 - Bwana
4 - MacaPaca777
3 - HAWK79
2 - DimnjacarStef
1 - speed

Game 2260292

Just 2 games to go in our group ...