Without The Freedom Of Press...

[DaGip]

Once they take away the freedom of the press, you can bet that these places will be kept SECRET inside the United States:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4nFJZcZvHQ

[ksslemp]

"Once"?
take your medication gip!!

[DaGip]

"Once"?
take your medication gip!!

Yeah...ONCE. It all started ONCE they took your right to privacy, now it's all down hill.

ONCE is all you need.

[MeDeFe]

Those are some good questions they plan to ask.

[Neoteny]

Once they take away the freedom of the press, you can bet that these places will be kept SECRET inside the United States:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4nFJZcZvHQ

That didn't seem so bad. Looked like holding cells. If these were facilities for permanent residence, I'd be worried. I suspect that they aren't. Disruptive protesters will probably be held for a few hours and then released. I'm sure more serious crimes will be dealt with in an actual jail.

[Anarkistsdream]

If they truly limited freedom of the press more than they do already, with no legal grounding, the Supreme Court would not go for it.

And, if the Supreme Court DID, there would be a revolution.

[Juan_Bottom]

I am of the opinion that our American press already works for the government, somehow. Plus, we already know that Fox News does.... = (

[DaGip]

I am of the opinion that our American press already works for the government, somehow. Plus, we already know that Fox News does.... = (

Don't forget CNN!

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1748

[Juan_Bottom]

Thanks!
I always forget about CNN.
"Tehy're Pentagon interns, so it's ok..." Whatever happened to that fiasco?

[Nobunaga]

If they truly limited freedom of the press more than they do already, with no legal grounding, the Supreme Court would not go for it.

And, if the Supreme Court DID, there would be a revolution.

... Who is this "they" you are referring to? And how are they limiting freedom of the press. Please cite examples.

...

[Juan_Bottom]

If they truly limited freedom of the press more than they do already, with no legal grounding, the Supreme Court would not go for it.

And, if the Supreme Court DID, there would be a revolution.

... Who is this "they" you are referring to? And how are they limiting freedom of the press. Please cite examples.

...

Check out his link above for an idea of it his train of thought.

[black elk speaks]

so, there is going to be a convention, and protests. city law enforcement set up a temporary holding facility to handle what they expect to be a large influx of potentially rowdy protesters.

the sheriff deputy there explained the means that they plan to take and the reason for the facility. he didn't want to do it as the plan was to be hush hush in the first place, but they answered questions and interviewed with the press.

how are exactly was the freedom of the press violated? i must have missed it.

[Juan_Bottom]

In this case, DAGIP is saying that since we do have freedom of the press, it was uncovered. He's being thankful that the press are free to investigate this kind of stuff.

[black elk speaks]

still, why the supposition that the freedom of the press is in jeopardy?

[InkL0sed]

still, why the supposition that the freedom of the press is in jeopardy?

Because Lizardmen control our lives and they're coming for the press next.

[Anarkistsdream]

If they truly limited freedom of the press more than they do already, with no legal grounding, the Supreme Court would not go for it.

And, if the Supreme Court DID, there would be a revolution.

... Who is this "they" you are referring to? And how are they limiting freedom of the press. Please cite examples.

...

still, why the supposition that the freedom of the press is in jeopardy?

Because big businesses own much of the press.

Think about this... ABC news is a nationally recognized news source. Where do they get their funding? Advertisers, and, even more importantly, Disney, their parent company.

Most television stations are actually owned by umbrella corporations that have nothing at all to do with the news.

If you own enough businesses, it makes sense to spread into the broadcasting or news-print business. Or, as William Hearst did, vice versa.

The businesses are not 'liberal' or 'conservative,' despite what most people believe. They are most often just 'capitalists.'

I know that journalism is in jeopardy because I AM one and have been studying Media Law for some time. This is a fact of life, it's just how do we deal with it as a community...

[Anarkistsdream]

Bump for the intelligent posters and people that were in this debate earlier.

[Juan_Bottom]

so, there is going to be a convention, and protests. city law enforcement set up a temporary holding facility to handle what they expect to be a large influx of potentially rowdy protesters.

the sheriff deputy there explained the means that they plan to take and the reason for the facility. he didn't want to do it as the plan was to be hush hush in the first place, but they answered questions and interviewed with the press.

how are exactly was the freedom of the press violated? i must have missed it.

For every reason that ANARKISTSDREAM put down (he's a smart guy isn't he?).

Also, check out DAGIP's link to fair.org
It would appear that somehow our government has people working in the news quality rooms at various news agencies. There is the big fiasco with Fox News being busted out for having the White house dictate what stories made air, with what slant. You have CNN getting busted for having CIA "interns" working for them.....Heck, Yellow Journalism is the reason we invaded Iraq.
The question is though, what's this link between capitalism and our government?

[black elk speaks]

still, why the supposition that the freedom of the press is in jeopardy?

Because big businesses own much of the press.

Think about this... ABC news is a nationally recognized news source. Where do they get their funding? Advertisers, and, even more importantly, Disney, their parent company.

Most television stations are actually owned by umbrella corporations that have nothing at all to do with the news.

If you own enough businesses, it makes sense to spread into the broadcasting or news-print business. Or, as William Hearst did, vice versa.

The businesses are not 'liberal' or 'conservative,' despite what most people believe. They are most often just 'capitalists.'

I know that journalism is in jeopardy because I AM one and have been studying Media Law for some time. This is a fact of life, it's just how do we deal with it as a community...

I guess that what I am saying is that you, as a journalist, writer, what have you, are totally free to ask questions of people, take notes, formulate your theory with your gathered evidence and fire up a printing press. no one can stop you from doing that. i don't think that the government was ever barred from making attempts of using the media as a propaganda machine. if you were to say that the government isn't free to use the press for its own agenda, then maybe the press wouldn't be as free as the constitution says it must be.

now, don't get me wrong, i think that the media is shit these days. it is all driven by controversy and commercial dollars from what i can tell. but it is the press, such as it is, and the people, including big businesses are free to write as they choose. if you don't like it, start a blog and advertise it to folks of a like mind. grass roots initiatives are very positive in my opinion, just make sure you don't become what you hate.

[Anarkistsdream]

still, why the supposition that the freedom of the press is in jeopardy?

Because big businesses own much of the press.

Think about this... ABC news is a nationally recognized news source. Where do they get their funding? Advertisers, and, even more importantly, Disney, their parent company.

Most television stations are actually owned by umbrella corporations that have nothing at all to do with the news.

If you own enough businesses, it makes sense to spread into the broadcasting or news-print business. Or, as William Hearst did, vice versa.

The businesses are not 'liberal' or 'conservative,' despite what most people believe. They are most often just 'capitalists.'

I know that journalism is in jeopardy because I AM one and have been studying Media Law for some time. This is a fact of life, it's just how do we deal with it as a community...

I guess that what I am saying is that you, as a journalist, writer, what have you, are totally free to ask questions of people, take notes, formulate your theory with your gathered evidence and fire up a printing press. no one can stop you from doing that. i don't think that the government was ever barred from making attempts of using the media as a propaganda machine. if you were to say that the government isn't free to use the press for its own agenda, then maybe the press wouldn't be as free as the constitution says it must be.

now, don't get me wrong, i think that the media is shit these days. it is all driven by controversy and commercial dollars from what i can tell. but it is the press, such as it is, and the people, including big businesses are free to write as they choose. if you don't like it, start a blog and advertise it to folks of a like mind. grass roots initiatives are very positive in my opinion, just make sure you don't become what you hate.

Ah, I see we actually agree quite a bit, just had different ways to state our views.

In any case, I belong to a number of organizations that do just what you mention about grassroots campaigning, and I do blog...

I agree with the whole point of the press being that ANYONE can make their voice heard, but what bothers me as a journalist is the fact that these people with money, power, etc., ARE limiting the press.

By taking up the time of dwindling reporter resources and having the money to fill up airtime and print space, it is a real bitch to have stories in the paper that actually came from a hard-nosed editor with a cigar and a coffee screaming, "Go out and GET ME THE NEWS!"

Know what I mean, Vern?

[black elk speaks]

i get that. it sickens me too. but i think that is a different issue than the government doing anything to cause it. true, it is a giant shell game. but you have the right to go out and get the story. you have the right to write about it and you have the right to print and distribute it.

the masses are asleep, and they don't seem to want to wake up. it really is a lot like the Matrix. how deep does the rabbit hole go?