Luke or Han

by **HapSmo19** on Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:19 pm

This is probably old news around here but,.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wGR4-SeuJ0

:lol:

by **CrazyAnglican** on Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:47 pm

Optimus Prime wrote:
Kingdroid wrote:Luke

he blew up the fucking Death Star.

So did Wedge Antilles and Lando Calrissian. Sorta taints the specialness of it, doesn't it?

Yeah, but Luke was inside the second Death Star fighting off the two most powerful Sith lords in history. Gotta give him credit for balls on that one.

But in all seriousness it's gotta be Han because he isn't an arrogant jerk. The whole Jabba thing did it for me "This is the last mistake you'll ever make". Tell me that you weren't routing for the Ray Harryhausen lizard dinosaur thingy just a little bit :twisted:

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by **Jenos Ridan** on Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:00 pm

Pedronicus wrote:Why didn't the death star just shot the moon that was shielding the rebels from it?

No disrespect intended, but you need to watch ANH again; the rebel base was on the moon, which was orbiting the planet Yavin, which appears to be a gas giant like Jupiter (abeit probably much larger).

by **strike wolf** on Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:04 pm

Pedronicus wrote:Why didn't the death star just shot the moon that was shielding the rebels from it?

Maybe it takes a while to recharge the laser?

by **strike wolf** on Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:06 pm

Jenos Ridan wrote:
Pedronicus wrote:Why didn't the death star just shot the moon that was shielding the rebels from it?

No disrespect intended, but you need to watch ANH again; the rebel base was on the moon, which was orbiting the planet Yavin, which appears to be a gas giant like Jupiter (abeit probably much larger).

If it was a gas giant why didn't it just shoot through the layers of gas?

by **OnlyAmbrose** on Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:08 pm

What a silly question this is.

by **Jenos Ridan** on Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:36 pm

CrazyAnglican wrote:
Optimus Prime wrote:
Kingdroid wrote:Luke

he blew up the fucking Death Star.

So did Wedge Antilles and Lando Calrissian. Sorta taints the specialness of it, doesn't it?

Yeah, but Luke was inside the second Death Star fighting off the two most powerful Sith lords in history. Gotta give him credit for balls on that one.

But in all seriousness it's gotta be Han because he isn't an arrogant jerk. The whole Jabba thing did it for me "This is the last mistake you'll ever make". Tell me that you weren't routing for the Ray Harryhausen lizard dinosaur thingy just a little bit .

Don't forget about Luke's ace in the hole: R2 and his lightsaber ejector.

Ever read the Thrawn Trilogy by chance? It delves into some of that stuff.

by **Jenos Ridan** on Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:37 pm

OnlyAmbrose wrote:What a silly question this is.

No sillier that whether Batman or Superman is cooler or which football team would cream the other team in the superbowl.

by **strike wolf** on Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:47 pm

Jenos Ridan wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:What a silly question this is.

No sillier that whether Batman or Superman is cooler or which football team would cream the other team in the superbowl.

Well, Batman is obvious so that's another silly question. As for the Superbowl depends on which teams.

by **Nikolai** on Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:54 pm

strike wolf, the true Star Wars aficionado will tell you that the Death Star was only powerful enough to destroy certain types of planets, that gas giants are significantly more difficult to destroy by explosive force (a.k.a. laser power), that destroying the gas giant would serve no purpose since the Death Star couldn't go through or shoot through all the debris, and/or that the gas would diffuse the laser, reducing its effectiveness. I, on the other hand, will tell you that it's because George Lucas wanted unrealistic drama. 8-)

Oh, and since it has been mentioned, Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy is awesome. It fixes everything wrong with Star Wars. Then his Hand of Thrawn duology fixed everything wrong with all the random crap George Lucas authorized in the books and graphic novels after the Thrawn trilogy. But you'll note that even Zahn couldn't fix the new trilogy. :evil:

by **strike wolf** on Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:04 am

Nikolai wrote:strike wolf, the true Star Wars aficionado will tell you that the Death Star was only powerful enough to destroy certain types of planets, that gas giants are significantly more difficult to destroy by explosive force (a.k.a. laser power), that destroying the gas giant would serve no purpose since the Death Star couldn't go through or shoot through all the debris, and/or that the gas would diffuse the laser, reducing its effectiveness. I, on the other hand, will tell you that it's because George Lucas wanted unrealistic drama.

Yeah, I know. I was just messing around. It's a stupid question that the person had asked to begin with so I decided to have some fun with it.

by **Jenos Ridan** on Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:09 am

strike wolf wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:What a silly question this is.

No sillier that whether Batman or Superman is cooler or which football team would cream the other team in the superbowl.

Well, Batman is obvious so that's another silly question. As for the Superbowl depends on which teams.

Thanks for missing the point entirely. Keep up the good work.

by **strike wolf** on Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:11 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
strike wolf wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:What a silly question this is.

No sillier that whether Batman or Superman is cooler or which football team would cream the other team in the superbowl.

Well, Batman is obvious so that's another silly question. As for the Superbowl depends on which teams.

Thanks for missing the point entirely. Keep up the good work.

of course, getting the point is overrated. missing the point is much more fun.

by **gdeangel** on Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:12 am

I would say that Zhan had a higher esteem of Luke than was conveyed in any of the movies, and that is simply because Luke matured. If you asked someone, well, who is the better hero, Batman or Robin? Well, it's a no brainer, but then you might say, what about Batman vs. Nightwing? It's a different story.

And remember, young Luke did not exactly "fight" two of the most powerful Sith lords. He went to make peace with one and got his daddy to kill the other. That type of "pure good" was still something that you might expect in a legitimate hero. It is the stuff of Christopher Reeves "Superman"... also produced during roughly the same period as the original Star Wars.

But people just don't have any model to identify with that type of hero any more. Pretty much every person in the RW is corruptible in one sense or anther. How many boy scout hero's out there have parents who drive the speed limit for example. The abundance of "Han" comments here merely reflects on this degradation of the belief in uncorrupted good. Even the way people refer to the incest angle of his character - like there even was one - is just trying to introduce corruption to the white light character of the film. And so it was done more blatantly in the graphic novels as well, which were done I believe in the 90's following the changing of the guard in the social bedrock of America from the dignified, moral "G.H.W. Bush", to that guy they called "Slick Willie". :lol:

by **Jenos Ridan** on Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:21 am

Nikolai wrote:strike wolf, the true Star Wars aficionado will tell you that the Death Star was only powerful enough to destroy certain types of planets, that gas giants are significantly more difficult to destroy by explosive force (a.k.a. laser power), that destroying the gas giant would serve no purpose since the Death Star couldn't go through or shoot through all the debris, and/or that the gas would diffuse the laser, reducing its effectiveness. I, on the other hand, will tell you that it's because George Lucas wanted unrealistic drama.

Oh, and since it has been mentioned, Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy is awesome. It fixes everything wrong with Star Wars. Then his Hand of Thrawn duology fixed everything wrong with all the random crap George Lucas authorized in the books and graphic novels after the Thrawn trilogy. But you'll note that even Zahn couldn't fix the new trilogy.

About the unlined and red part; I wouldn''t be so hasty about that, given the rampant minimalism such as the tiny fleet (yes, 200 is tiny, seeing as how they ought to be fleets numbering in the hundreds of thousands) of ancient uber-ships. At least he didn't make the mistake Kevin J Anderson did when he wrote that the Executor all by it's lonesome nearly bankrupted the Empire (given that it is a miniscule fraction of the Death Star's overall mass).

Ever hear about Stardestroyer.net? 'Though I have a few moral hang-ups about the membership and the guy who runs the site, he is certainly not a fool.

by **Quirk** on Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:09 am

I was 6 years old when the first Star Wars movie came out. I watched it in a theater in Atlanta with my family. The stormtroopers scared the hell out of me. Like most boys at that time I became obsessed with Star Wars. Collecting figures, cards, comics and anything to do with Star Wars. I imagined myself as Han Solo traveling throughout the universe with Chewie or an occasional substitute side-kick. Not that I didn't like Chewie. I just had a vivid imagination. I can't recall ever pretending to be Luke. He just didn't appeal to me. Over the years I have watched all the movies on their original run in theaters. I appreciate Luke's character but Han Solo will always be my hero