Baseball

[strike wolf]

I don't know about best, that title may have to go to either Boston or New York, but Phillie does have some good sports history to them. That is to me the reason why Tampa is a better story. they are a city that to my knowledge has never really had any sucess anywhere in sports especially in baseball.

[gannable]

well you must not be paying attention because Tampa recently won the Super bowl and in Hockey.

and for you to pick boston and New york over Philly its just a sign you're forming your opinion based on what ESPN and Fox tells you to think

[gannable]

you just dont get it.

but thats not surprising coming from someone who lives in Georgia.
I used to work on the road with a person from Atlanta, even he ackowledged that Atlanta sports fans are horrible.

Except for 1991 the Braves never received much support during all their playoff runs. it was disgraceful.

[strike wolf]

No I just have seen a lot of what New York and Boston has done in certain areas. For instance I'm pretty sure that the Celtics have won more NBA finals than any other team in Basketball and that they've had a lot of success both in the past and in recent years through multiple sports. Also the Yankees have had more success in baseball than any other team. though if you are talking about fan support, I'm not gonna argue one way or the other. Also it's been a few years since Tampa's superbowl which I think was their only superbowl. As for hockey, the Us as a whole doesn't look at hockey as much as baseball, basketball or football so I personally rank it a little lower. Flawed method? Maybe, but it really all comes down to opinion.

[gannable]

that is not the argument.

By saying Philadelphia is a better sports town than New York, Boston or whatever its not about "success". That's an entirely different discussion.,

by saying a city is a great sports town you're simply talking about the level of passion, support, interest, etc in the teams.
To clarify Cleveland is a great football/baseball town but they havent won a championship in over 40 years in either sport. However, Tampa just won a super bowl but anyone who thinks Tampa is a better football town than Cleveland is ignorant.

I find it highly offensive that you degrade hockey. You're in a different part of the country. Hockey is very important to people in citiies like Philly, Boston, Detroit, Buffalo, Pittsburg, Denver, St. Louis, Minnesota and of course Canada.
The Flyers are more important to me than any other.

Tampa has won 2 championship in the last 6 years. you cant get anymore recent than that unless you're talking about Boston. I dont understand the confusion. Its really pretty plain to see

[ParadiceCity9]

I want Tampa Bay to win.

Me too.

[strike wolf]

I used to work on the road with a person from Atlanta, even he ackowledged that Atlanta sports fans are horrible.

Except for 1991 the Braves never received much support during all their playoff runs. it was disgraceful.

I would agree that Atlanta fans are some of the worst about supporting their home teams. Growing up I met few people who were big Braves fans and this was during their 14 year run at winning the NL East. As for playoff runs, I think the Braves received a little more attention then you are giving them during the playoff runs at least until they started to be always make the playoffs but never win them becoming what my dad calls "the Buffalo Bills of baseball". is it a good excuse? No but I at least wanted to acknowledge it.

As for me, I've really become a bigger football fan in recent years. This is especially true towards college football as I have always felt that there is more heart and determination involved than in pros (as well as better rivalries). Also the whole situation surrounding Michael Vick (not just for the dog fighting scandal) and all that happened around it as well as a few other reasons, made it hard for me to really respect the Falcons as a team. This is not to say that I don't support the Falcons, I hope they win every year and will usually watch their games even if they are almost certainly going to get stomped on. The same goes even moreso to the Braves. I did go through a small stretch where i was a little irritated with the Braves though I've come to accept that these problems are more due to the owners lack of support than it is to be blamed on the team.

[Sentinel XIV]

This thread has turned into a Philadelphia cryfest.

[strike wolf]

that is not the argument.

By saying Philadelphia is a better sports town than New York, Boston or whatever its not about "success". That's an entirely different discussion.,

by saying a city is a great sports town you're simply talking about the level of passion, support, interest, etc in the teams.
To clarify Cleveland is a great football/baseball town but they havent won a championship in over 40 years in either sport. However, Tampa just won a super bowl but anyone who thinks Tampa is a better football town than Cleveland is ignorant.

In that regards I'm not going to argue. I really do not have enough knowledge on the fans behavior to warrant saying that any town is the best. On that regard, I find the majority of the Southeast to be fairly weak in supporting professional teams.

I find it highly offensive that you degrade hockey. You're in a different part of the country. Hockey is very important to people in citiies like Philly, Boston, Detroit, Buffalo, Pittsburg, Denver, St. Louis, Minnesota and of course Canada.
The Flyers are more important to me than any other.

Tampa has won 2 championship in the last 6 years. you cant get anymore recent than that unless you're talking about Boston. I dont understand the confusion. Its really pretty plain to see

It may be important in the north but from what i have seen football, basketball (though i've never been a big fan myself), and baseball have a more universal support and overall a larger level of support than hockey throughout the country. As for Tampa winning, it's like i've said I don't really know much about it.

[gannable]

This thread has turned into a Philadelphia cryfest.

I started the thread dick

[Sentinel XIV]

This thread has turned into a Philadelphia cryfest.

I started the thread dick

That fact was never in question.

This thread was a great discussion on the coming World Series. It has since devolved into you arguing which city is a better sports city. Who honestly gives a damn? You, I guess.

Maybe, since you started the thread, you could get it back on track, which would mean continuing to discuss relevant baseball issues and not crying about how mainstream media cares more about New York and Boston.

With that said, go Rays and Jamie Moyer! I can't bring myself to pull for Philadelphia now. Not when their fans are such crybabies.

[gannable]

who cares. I really dont care who you root for. who are you anyway?

I was only trying to provide some background (not crying) as to what it means to Philly because a poster said something along the lines that the Tampa Rays never won anything. However, If you understand the history then perhaps that person would see it differently. that was my intent but comprehend my posts differently if you want, doesnt matter to me.

[strike wolf]

It is true though that the Tampa Bay Devil Rays have never even made it to the playoffs or even had a winning season let alone win the world series. As for the city never winning any sports championship, I don't think I ever claimed that just that they haven't had as much success as other cities. I also made the point that I don't really think it's that great of a method to base a team by what other teams in their city have done. I also believe that Tampa Bay deserves to win it because they are in my opinion the best team in baseball. A third reason, though not as big is that to an extent they kind of remind me of the 1991 Braves going from worst to first and in that way I kind of see them as kind of an alternate version of the Braves.

[gannable]

im just going to drop the discussion because its very difficult for people to understand my point. I suspect a person from Boston, New York, or Chicago would understand the point I'm failing to convey.

In regards to the best team in baseball - Right now I'd say Tampa would only be a slight favorite to win the world series. Whoever wins this series will prove they are the best team in baseball. Nothing has been proven yet.

[strike wolf]

Yeah, the best is all a matter of opinion and it just so happens that tampa is better in my opinion. I'm really not even sure philly winning the world series would change that, I guess it would really depend on how they win.